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MrL_JaKiri posted:Many many many ladies (and men) would disagree That hair. 
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They hosed up making him cockney cause Tennant's natural Scottish accent is real fuckin sexy.
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Aug 25, 2014 19:29
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Zaggitz posted:They hosed up making him cockney cause Tennant's natural Scottish accent is real fuckin sexy. I could listen to him say Miller like he does Broadchurch all day.
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Aug 25, 2014 19:38
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Zaggitz posted:making him cockney  He sounds about a Cockney as a Somerset farmer. If you don't know what it is, don't talk about it. (Similar sentiments for people trying to talk about Rose being a 'chav' and what that means etc)
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Aug 25, 2014 19:53
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Sleep of Bronze posted:(Similar sentiments for people trying to talk about Rose being a 'chav' and what that means etc) I was going to say that about Rose a while back. I didn't know what the term "chav" was, so I Googled it, and...well the Wikipedia description at least doesn't really sound like Rose. Wikipedia posted:The stereotype was popularised in the first decade of the 21st century by the British mass media to refer to an anti-social youth subculture in the United Kingdom. The Oxford Dictionary defines "chav" as an informal British derogatory, meaning a young lower-class person who displays brash and loutish behaviour and wears real or imitation designer clothes. edit: But, again, I don't really know what a chav is. thrawn527 fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Aug 25, 2014 |
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Aug 25, 2014 19:54
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Don't both of them have an Estuary accent? I remember the "official" reason for Tennant talking the way he does was that Rose had influenced him for the regeneration. 
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Aug 25, 2014 19:55
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Bicyclops posted:Don't both of them have an Estuary accent?
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Aug 25, 2014 20:15
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I said this already but yeah Rose is definitely not a chav. Cassandra-as-Rose saying it in New Earth is a reference to dumb people in reviews and online saying she was.
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Aug 25, 2014 20:16
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Grey Area posted:Yes, but most Americans are only aware of two English accents: RP and "cockney". I expect a lot of fans would say that Eccleston had a cockney accent. I guess it's sort of like how the only three locations in America for British TV are New York City, the White House and the Wild West and the only locations in the U.K. to Americans are Victorian London and the Cornish moors.
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Aug 25, 2014 20:22
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I knew Rose wasn't a chav because she had a job
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Aug 25, 2014 21:02
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The fact that some skinlady from 5 billion years in the future even knows what a chav is proves that chav culture is built on a solid, enduring bedrock. Rose would be lucky to count herself among their ranks
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Aug 25, 2014 21:19
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Soothing Vapors posted:The fact that some skinlady from 5 billion years in the future even knows what a chav is proves that chav culture is built on a solid, enduring bedrock. Rose would be lucky to count herself among their ranks Also that Soft Cell and Britney Spears have some serious shelf-life and everyone should be collecting all those albums right now.
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Aug 25, 2014 21:41
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Sleep of Bronze posted:
No need to neg the gently caress out bro. My point still stands that Scottish Tennant is the best Tennant.
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Aug 25, 2014 22:16
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Judging from that Bechdel derail this thread is already full of people not knowing what things are. Why stop now?
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Aug 25, 2014 22:18
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thrawn527 posted:I think the point is that, no, Moffat's episodes don't pass the Bechdel test, but neither do Davies episodes. So what the hell is the point of pointing out that Moffat's episodes don't? Shouldn't it just be said that Doctor Who doesn't pass the Bechdel test? It's not like anyone brought it up in a Davies written episode, while it was equally true there. Actually, I'd probably have thought the same thing but someone checked and the Davies era passes far more often - in the case of one companion's tenure, in every single episode she's in. The Davies era passes the test around 80% to 100% of the time, has more female speaking time per episode and more women in the cast on average, while the Moffat era passes around 50% of the time. Here's a link to an infographic chart they made. I don't know what that conclusively says really about RTD and Moffat - for my money, Moffat's the better writer and RTD's woman characters can be very sexist and eye-rolly. It's certainly something to consider, though.
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Aug 25, 2014 22:27
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I'd love to know how much you'd have to hate yourself to watch every Dr. Who episode closely enough to time Rose Tyler's speaking time
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Aug 25, 2014 22:42
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It was actually a bunch of people, so they probably split up the work as unto like shifts in a sun-lorn coal mine.
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Aug 25, 2014 22:47
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Soothing Vapors posted:I'd love to know how much you'd have to hate yourself to watch every Dr. Who episode closely enough to time Rose Tyler's speaking time Probably about the same amount of hate as someone who would watch Doctor Who despite hating it for the amusement of some goons.
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Aug 25, 2014 22:56
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Android Blues posted:Actually, I'd probably have thought the same thing but someone checked and the Davies era passes far more often - in the case of one companion's tenure, in every single episode she's in. I was surprised that Rose wasn't the longest running companion. She only felt like that. 
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Aug 25, 2014 23:06
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PriorMarcus posted:Probably about the same amount of hate as someone who would watch Doctor Who despite hating it for the amusement of some goons. And even then my ornery companion does not appear to hate this ridiculous series a tenth as much as you. Want to sign on? I kid.
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Aug 26, 2014 00:16
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Doctor Who casting information is front page news on national newspapers. The Adventures of Jack Bauer have influenced US Supreme Court Decisions. 
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Aug 26, 2014 01:49
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ALL HAIL THE GOD KING BREAKING BAD
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Aug 26, 2014 04:27
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Grey Area posted:Yes, but most Americans are only aware of two English accents: RP and "cockney". I expect a lot of fans would say that Eccleston had a cockney accent. Here is a helpful chart for Americans.  Pretty sure that's right?
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Aug 26, 2014 06:39
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Well as we saw, David Tennant was on a horse. Check and mate.
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SirSamVimes posted:Well as we saw, David Tennant was on a horse. Check and mate. This show has a weird horse fixation.
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Aug 26, 2014 07:34
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Bicyclops posted:Don't both of them have an Estuary accent? I remember the "official" reason for Tennant talking the way he does was that Rose had influenced him for the regeneration. Not to start a debate, but aren't Estuary and Cockney related? It's no clear cut thing.
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Kurtofan posted:Not to start a debate, but aren't Estuary and Cockney related? It's no clear cut thing. You can think of Estuary as a softer variant of Cockney, if you like. But I thought Ten's accent was pretty soft even by the standards of Estuary, so Cockney is right out.
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Kurtofan posted:Not to start a debate, but aren't Estuary and Cockney related? It's no clear cut thing. It's Great Britain, there are no clear accent borders anywhere. All you can do is drop a few pins and say which one any given person is closest to.
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Estuary's a descendant of Cockney, and is a sort of half-way point between that and RP. It's a homogenised compromise accent that is arguably a response to a shift in public sentiment against the snootiness and oppressive class associations of Received Pronunciation. In decades gone past it was considered quite enviable and good to speak proper RP, and while that's still the case in certain circles, there are far more media outlets and celebrities speaking in comfortably "everyman" Estuary now that would have been speaking RP back in the 80s. The Cockney accent itself is more or less dead or well on the way to dying, and Estuary has so much cultural currency that it's spreading across the traditionally highly accent-varied UK like a creeping vine. You'll get a lot of younger people in Somerset, Yorkshire and even Scotland speaking with a pronounced Estuary influence these days. But yeah, Ten speaks with a rather soft/upper-crusty Estuary accent. Almost every Doctor before him spoke some variant of RP (not Eccles, of course!), so it's indicative of the shift in cultural values that no revival Doctor has. What once was seen as an accent indicative of comforting, authoritative wisdom would now make the character seem stuffy, cold or overprivileged. On the whole this is probably a good sign, given it indicates a general scepticism about the cultural markers of the rich and high-born that the Doctor has historically appropriated. Of course, there's more to it than that, but probably that is a discussion for another time!
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Android Blues posted:Estuary's a descendant of Cockney, and is a sort of half-way point between that and RP. Funny, a 'half-way point between Cockney and RP' is kinda what I've always thought of as the starting point for the Australian/New Zealand accents, although it's obviously evolved by itself for a while. (And then the difference between Australian and New Zealand can partly be recognised as the effect Irish and Scottish must have had; New Zealand had a great deal more Scottish than Irish migrants and Australia was the other way around, and you can kinda hear relics in their relative accents now) MikeJF fucked around with this message at 12:28 on Aug 26, 2014 |
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I always find that Estuary's applied much more broadly than it should be, as a categorisation of accent. People will throw it over great swathes of the South because the accents happen to share that fact of being a bit less posh than RP, ignoring the fact that they have lots of other markers to separate them. I blame a) Londoners who have never managed to get outside Zone 1, b) Northerners because blaming them is never wrong, and c) foreigners who heard that Estuary is an accent and want to show off that they are aware of something other than cockney and RP.
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What we can all agree on is that we're all looking forward to the day that the Doctor speaks the only proper to way to speak English: with a thick Boston accent, while wearing a Red Sox cap.
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Or just have him regenerate into John Goodman and be done with it.
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Look I just want to know what accent it is that makes Rose say "fink" instead of "think" and how we can eradicate it
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Bicyclops posted:What we can all agree on is that we're all looking forward to the day that the Doctor speaks the only proper to way to speak English: with a thick Boston accent, while wearing a Red Sox cap. The guy who voiced JFK in Clone High should play the Doctor.
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Aug 26, 2014 15:00
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Bown posted:The guy who voiced JFK in Clone High should play the Doctor. That would be now famous director/screenwriter Chris Miller, of 21 Jump Street and Lego Movie fame. I could dig it.
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Soothing Vapors posted:Look I just want to know what accent it is that makes Rose say "fink" instead of "think" and how we can eradicate it It's called "TH fronting", according to Wikipedia. It's how cool people speak, like me.
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Aug 26, 2014 16:26
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There are a plethora of British accents, not just the two, and a great variety of local lexicons which use different words and phrases for things than we might be used to, just here in these great United States. Makes you fink.
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Rose and Mickey's accents are both closest to what linguists call MLE, which is the accent that's almost completely replaced Cockney among people who actually live in London. If they grew up further east, somewhere in Essex, they'd speak like the Doctor does; Estuary is what happened when actual Cockneys moved into Essex and their accent started merging with the similar-but-different local one. Here's a couple of MLE speakers having a chat.
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Trin Tragula posted:Rose and Mickey's accents are both closest to what linguists call MLE, which is the accent that's almost completely replaced Cockney among people who actually live in London. If they grew up further east, somewhere in Essex, they'd speak like the Doctor does; Estuary is what happened when actual Cockneys moved into Essex and their accent started merging with the similar-but-different local one. This is actually really cool reading and the links within the article lead to more interesting reading, thank you.
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