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The Valentich radio logs are rather creepy, but the Wiki entry also notes that "at no time was the aircraft plotted on radar" and that "Melbourne Police received reports of a light aircraft making a mysterious landing not far from Cape Otway at the same time as Valentich's disappearance." Gotta go with "he faked his disappearance" on that one. This poor guy, however, died chasing a UFO. quote:Four P-51 Mustangs of C Flight, 165th Fighter Squadron Kentucky Air National Guard already in the air—one piloted by Mantell—were told to approach the object. Blackwell was in radio communication with the pilots throughout the event. And it was probably just a weather balloon.
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If I'm correctly recalling articles I've read about Valentich, the guy was a known UFO enthusiast. Seems strangely coincidental that a UFO enthusiast should end up in an encounter with a UFO. With that tidbit as well as the lack of radar signs and the mysterious small plane seen landing not too far away, I'm also inclined to go with "he faked his own disappearance". He did it in a pretty creepy and spectacular way, though! Here's another guy who vanished (and presumably died) chasing a UFO: Felix Moncla disappeared while pursuing a UFO over Lake Superior in 1953. quote:On the evening of November 23, 1953, Air Defense Command Ground Intercept radar operators at Sault Ste. Marie, Michigan identified an unusual target near the Soo Locks. An F-89C Scorpion jet from Kinross Air Force Base was scrambled to investigate the radar return; the Scorpion was piloted by First Lieutenant Moncla with Second Lieutenant Robert L. Wilson acting as the Scorpion's radar operator. Odds are high that the unknown blip came from an off course Canadian aircraft and Moncla either crashed into it or became disoriented and crashed by himself, but still, it's a weird story.
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One I only saw the other day, thanks to reddit (I know, I know) is the tale of Blanche Monnier(warning; top photo might be disturbing). Basically the Parisian Attorney General was tipped off that a girl was being held captive at an address, an address belonging to a rather prestigious family, widow & son, with a daughter who had disappeared 25 years prior. Police attended the home and quote:“We immediately gave the order to open the casement window. This was done with great difficulty, for the old dark-colored curtains fell down in a heavy shower of dust. To open the shutters, it was necessary to remove them from their right hinges. As soon as light entered the room, we noticed, in the back, lying on a bed, her head and body covered by a repulsively filthy blanket, a woman identified as Mademoiselle Blanche Monnier. The unfortunate woman was lying completely naked on a rotten straw mattress. All around her was formed a sort of crust made from excrement, fragments of meat, vegetables, fish, and rotten bread. We also saw oyster shells and bugs running across Mademoiselle Monnier’s bed. The air was so unbreathable, the odor given off by the room was so rank, that it was impossible for us to stay any longer to proceed with our investigation.” (Source url might be off-putting in terms of credibility but there are contemporary news articles (example))
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jalopybrown posted:One I only saw the other day, thanks to reddit (I know, I know) is the tale of Blanche Monnier(warning; top photo might be disturbing). Dear god, that photo.
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Yeah, "disturbing" is a pretty accurate descriptor for that photo. Almost looks like something you'd find as an illustration in a book of scary stories and not an actual document of a human being at a moment in time. And the description of the room itself doesn't help matters.
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The Cameo posted:Yeah, "disturbing" is a pretty accurate descriptor for that photo. Almost looks like something you'd find as an illustration in a book of scary stories and not an actual document of a human being at a moment in time. Well, maybe she should have stopped dating that lawyer, did you ever think of that?
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Inevitable posted:Well, maybe she should have stopped dating that lawyer, did you ever think of that? The plan was a stunning success, you must admit.
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I like how the lawyer died a while in and the family was just like, "Eh, whatever, we've been at it this long, might as well keep going."
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AnonSpore posted:I like how the lawyer died a while in and the family was just like, "Eh, whatever, we've been at it this long, might as well keep going." "Honestly, after a while, we just forgot what the original argument was even about, hahahaha  "
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AnonSpore posted:I like how the lawyer died a while in and the family was just like, "Eh, whatever, we've been at it this long, might as well keep going." 
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Phantom Airshipsquote:The Sacramento Bee and the San Francisco Call reported the first sighting on November 18, 1896. Witnesses reported a light moving slowly over Sacramento on the evening of November 17 at an estimated 1,000 foot elevation. Some witnesses said they could see a dark shape behind the light. A witness named R. L. Lowery reported that he heard a voice from the craft issuing commands to increase elevation in order to avoid hitting a church steeple. Lowery added "in what was no doubt meant as a wink to the reader" that he believed the apparent captain to be referring to the tower of a local brewery, as there were no churches nearby. Lowery further described the craft as being powered by two men exerting themselves on bicycle pedals. quote:On April 10, 1897 the St. Louis Post-Dispatch published a story reporting that one W. H. Hopkins encountered a grounded airship about 20 feet in length and 8 feet in diameter near the outskirts of Springfield, Missouri. The vehicle was apparently propelled by 3 large propellers and crewed by a beautiful nude woman and a bearded man, also nude. quote:An account from Aurora, Texas related in the Dallas Morning News on April 19, 1897, reported that a couple of days before, an airship had smashed into a windmill – later determined to be a sump pump – belonging to a Judge Proctor, then crashed. The occupant was dead and mangled, but the story reported that presumed pilot was clearly "not an inhabitant of this world." Strange "hieroglyphic" figures were seen on the wreckage, which resembled "a mixture of aluminum and silver ... it must have weighed several tons."" In the 20th Century, unusual metallic material recovered from the presumed crash site was shown to contain a percentage of aluminum and iron admixed. The story ended by noting that the pilot was given a "Christian burial" in the town cemetery. In 1973, MUFON investigators discovered the alleged stone marker used in this burial. Their metal detectors indicated a quantity of foreign material might remain buried there. However, they were not permitted to exhume, and when they returned several years later, the headstone – and whatever metallic material had lain beneath it – was gone. Peruse the article for excitement, Spaniards, and a Gentleman almost coming to fisticuffs with Martians. Of course, this makes me think of my favorite 19th century fortean mystery, Spring-heeled Jack quote:Spring-heeled Jack was described by people who claimed to have seen him as having a terrifying and frightful appearance, with diabolical physiognomy, clawed hands, and eyes that "resembled red balls of fire". One report claimed that, beneath a black cloak, he wore a helmet and a tight-fitting white garment like an oilskin. Many stories also mention a "Devil-like" aspect. Others said he was tall and thin, with the appearance of a gentleman. Several reports mention that he could breathe out blue and white flames and that he wore sharp metallic claws at his fingertips. At least two people claimed that he was able to speak comprehensible English.
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Just saying, if the main protagonist for the inevitable Assassin's Creed game that takes place in 19th century London is not Spring Heeled Jack then somebody is loving up pretty hard at Ubisoft.
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My favorite thing about the ye-olde paranormal sightings is that they're usually somehow limited to the known technology of the time. It's all bright lights and rapid movement* and two beings pedaling a wooden contraption. * rapid being a few miles per hour or something. There was once a time when people actually believed if a man moved faster than a horse his skin would come off.
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Bridget Driscoll died in one of the first pedestrian/automobile accidents in 1896. The car was going about four miles per hour.
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Helena Handbasket posted:Bridget Driscoll died in one of the first pedestrian/automobile accidents in 1896. The car was going about four miles per hour. Christ, that really IS unnerving. The best part is the car was just a demonstration vehicle, showing off new fangled technology. Ended up demonstrating BLOOD ON THE STREETS!  ... 4 mph. Killed by something going as fast as a brisk jog. 
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The original New York Times article about the first pedestrian killed by an automobile in the United States: http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9C05E0DC173DE433A25757C1A96F9C94689ED7CF
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I don't think I've seen this mentioned here, but from 1894 to 1999 the leprosarium in Carville, Louisiana was the home for every mainland American who was diagnosed with leprosy. (There was a similar colony in Hawai'i but that was more specifically established for an outbreak in the islands.) Leprosy in Louisiana Basically if you had leprosy, the law stated that you had to be transported to this facility, you lost your right to vote, were encouraged to take on a new identity, and were probably stuck there for the rest of your life. All of your mail had to be baked in an oven. The facility was not cruel and in fact did a lot to help people, but it was a really weird response to a disease that's not particularly contagious but has a lot of social stigma going back for millennia. You could, for instance, get a pass to leave the facility but could not use public transit. It's weird to imagine that, as of 15 years ago, you could still be forced into something like the Witness Protection Program for catching a rare disease.
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Old timey UFOs were so much cooler than the tiresome little green men or grey men bullshit we have today. Some UFO sightings have some pretty creepy stories behind them. The Flatwoods monster is a particularly good one that most people might not know about. Unlike most alien sightings, the thing wasn't humanoid at all. The bit about it releasing some sort of toxic gas was pretty freaky. Of course, it wasn't an alien because that's nuts. That doesn't stop the locals from having a three-day festival for it every year, though.
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:Old timey UFOs were so much cooler than the tiresome little green men or grey men bullshit we have today. That's always a great UFO story and some of the pics you pull up googling it make me think of the Mothman sightings everyone knows about. One incident everyone probably doesn't know about, but your post and the bit about the toxic gas reminded me of, Cash-Landrum Incident quote:A few minutes later on the winding roads, the witnesses saw what they believed to be the same light as before, but it was now much closer and very bright. The light, they claimed, came from a huge diamond-shaped object, which hovered at about treetop level. The object's base was expelling flame and emitting significant heat. quote:Over the next few days, Cash's symptoms worsened, with many large, painful blisters forming on her skin. When taken to a hospital emergency room on January 3, 1981, Clark writes, Cash "could not walk, and had lost large patches of skin and clumps of hair. She was released after 12 days, though her condition was not much better, and she later returned to the hospital for another 15 days." And speaking of little green men, one of my favorite stories, Green Children of Woolpit quote:One day at harvest time, according to William of Newburgh during the reign of King Stephen (1135–1154), the villagers of Woolpit discovered two children, a brother and sister, beside one of the wolf pits that gave the village its name. Their skin was green, they spoke an unknown language, and their clothing was unfamiliar. Ralph reports that the children were taken to the home of Richard de Calne. Ralph and William agree that the pair refused all food for several days until they came across some raw beans, which they consumed eagerly. The children gradually adapted to normal food and in time lost their green colour. The boy, who appeared to be the younger of the two, became sickly and died shortly after he and his sister were baptised. DryGoods has a new favorite as of 22:24 on Aug 26, 2014 |
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benito posted:I don't think I've seen this mentioned here, but from 1894 to 1999 the leprosarium in Carville, Louisiana was the home for every mainland American who was diagnosed with leprosy. (There was a similar colony in Hawai'i but that was more specifically established for an outbreak in the islands.) It makes more sense in historical context---it was known to be communicable, but not how (although, I think it was believed to be way more contagious then it actually is). And even once the cause was discovered, it wasn't really treatable until we had penicillin. So, yeah, lepers got segregated because people were scared of getting horribly disfigured too. There were a lot of social causes for this as well, with lepers being a target of general fear and worse. But in the end, I can't really blame people for being terrified of getting a horribly-disfiguring and incurable disease. A lot of people lived in the colonies willingly too, due to the lack of stigma about their disease and disfigurement.
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Slanderer posted:It makes more sense in historical context---it was known to be communicable, but not how (although, I think it was believed to be way more contagious then it actually is). And even once the cause was discovered, it wasn't really treatable until we had penicillin. So, yeah, lepers got segregated because people were scared of getting horribly disfigured too. There were a lot of social causes for this as well, with lepers being a target of general fear and worse. But in the end, I can't really blame people for being terrified of getting a horribly-disfiguring and incurable disease. A lot of people lived in the colonies willingly too, due to the lack of stigma about their disease and disfigurement. Depends on what you mean by historical. 1894, yes, 1999, no. Also, the whole thing about changing your identity and not being allowed to vote? Is that even Constitutional?
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benito posted:Depends on what you mean by historical. 1894, yes, 1999, no. Also, the whole thing about changing your identity and not being allowed to vote? Is that even Constitutional? Apparently it was made legal by the Senate in 1917. Curtailing voting rights used to be more common, and those were restored in 1946 or 1947. The last compulsory admission was in like 1960. You can read up on it if you like, it's just extremely dull: http://www.biomedcentral.com/1472-698X/5/3
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Slanderer posted:Apparently it was made legal by the Senate in 1917. Curtailing voting rights used to be more common, and those were restored in 1946 or 1947. The last compulsory admission was in like 1960. You can read up on it if you like, it's just extremely dull: Kudos for excellent fact checking! I've heard a lot of conflicting accounts of this facility over the years. Still kinda creepy in parts...
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bladedsmoke posted:I just finished reading a book about this, so I thought I'd look up the relevant Wikipedia pages: The wreck of the Batavia, in 1628, and the subsequent reign of terror on a tiny group of desert islands just off western Australia that left 110 men, women and children dead - and not because of starvation or thirst, but almost all murdered on the orders of one of the castaways, Jeronimus Cornelisz. I'm bingeing through this thread, but I wanted to bring this earlier post, because I think a lot of people glossed over it. Here's a link that gives a little more detail on the incident. It's a horrifying account of what happens when a sociopath finds himself in an environment where he can manipulate and exploit literally everyone. Never before have I been happy to hear about someone getting his hands cut off before being executed, but I feel assured that this motherfucker had it coming. I also had a look at the Wiki article on Lucretia Jans, the socialite that Cornelisz anonymously ordered to be gangraped and then later made into his personal sex slave: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucretia_Jans quote:When the rescue team arrived from Batavia, Cornelisz was executed at the scene of the crime, and the rest were put on trial in Batavia. During the trial, it was alleged that Jans was guilty of "provocation, encouraging evil acts and murdering the survivors ... some of whom lost their lives owing to her backhandedness". Jans was put on trial and denied the charges. The court applied for permission to torture her, but it is unknown whether such permission were granted; she seems to have been acquitted of the charges. She returned to the Netherlands in 1635. Yeah, it was evidently all the women's fault. 
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Literally Kermit posted:Christ, that really IS unnerving. The best part is the car was just a demonstration vehicle, showing off new fangled technology. Ended up demonstrating BLOOD ON THE STREETS! This is going to sound dumb but maybe she thought the car would jump over her or something? Kind of like how horses avoid trampling people on the ground?
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Stare-Out posted:Speaking of maritime disasters, the MS Estonia was one of the worst ones of the 20th century. In September of 1994, 852 people died when it sank due to the bow doors being ripped off in rough seas so the ship effectively opened its mouth and gulped a fuckload of water into the car deck. This survivor's account from the Estonia freaked me the gently caress out. quote:Why is it that accidents still happen, despite all of the modern equipment? Yeah. During a crisis, a huge percentage of people loving freeze up and allow death to take them. This link goes into more detail about that phenomenon: quote:The large number of people and their various reaction patterns also created an obstacle to the evacuation. During the evacuation, people had, because of the increasing list, increasing difficulties to move. A number of people fell or slid, thereby creating obstacles for others. Others were standing but not moving, thereby preventing others from passing them. Many were seen just holding on without moving; yet others appeared paralysed and seemingly unable to understand what was happening. From the very start of the list many were reported to be passive and stiff, despite reasonable possibilities for escaping. The passage also says that if a message had been sent over the PA system ordering passengers to evacuate, then it's likely way more people would have overcome their confusion and passivity and escaped. It says that many survivors managed to find the fortitude to get out by thinking of their loved ones. I wonder if just being aware of this phenomenon increases the likelihood that you recognize it while it's going on and make tracks while you still can. In that case, I may have just saved your life. You're welcome.
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Zeroisanumber posted:I've seen that in my own life. Some crazy bum broke into my house once while my roommate and I were home, he held my roommate a knifepoint and demanded cash from the both of us. I gave him what we had on us, and then he told me to get into the closet while he took my roommate to go look for more stuff to steal. She wouldn't move, she was completely paralyzed with fear and didn't even look like she was hearing a word that was being said. She didn't speak or move (other than to sit in a chair) until the cops got there later on. Holy poo poo. Something similar happened to my roommates and I, but we were three in shape guys so we just kicked the poo poo out of the burglar. The dude didn't do anything to her right? Cause asking one person to go into seclusion while they force a woman into another room sets off all my rape alarms.
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Zeroisanumber posted:I've seen that in my own life. Some crazy bum broke into my house once while my roommate and I were home, he held my roommate a knifepoint and demanded cash from the both of us. I gave him what we had on us, and then he told me to get into the closet while he took my roommate to go look for more stuff to steal. She wouldn't move, she was completely paralyzed with fear and didn't even look like she was hearing a word that was being said. She didn't speak or move (other than to sit in a chair) until the cops got there later on. Something vaguely similar happened to me once. After a really bad car accident, where I was more or less completely unhurt, apparently I just sat in the front passenger seat for the twenty minutes it took the ambulance to get there, and didn't react or respond at all until the ambulance guy got the crunched-in door open. I could've easily crawled out the driver's side door, or gone over the back seat, but I was just 100% nonresponsive until the moment they opened the door on my side. It apparently really freaked my friend who had been driving out, because it was like I was in a waking coma.
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DryGoods posted:Phantom Airships There was a big rush of phantom airship sightings in Britain during the run-up to the First World War. At one point there were so many reports of (presumed hostile) mystery airships being reported that the owner of the Daily Mail wrote a lengthy editorial telling people to get a grip. Yes, the scare was so bad that the Daily Mail was the voice of reason.
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Zeroisanumber posted:I've seen that in my own life. Some crazy bum broke into my house once while my roommate and I were home, he held my roommate a knifepoint and demanded cash from the both of us. I gave him what we had on us, and then he told me to get into the closet while he took my roommate to go look for more stuff to steal. She wouldn't move, she was completely paralyzed with fear and didn't even look like she was hearing a word that was being said. She didn't speak or move (other than to sit in a chair) until the cops got there later on. It sort of happened to me, I was with a friend and his girlfriend in the subway late at night, some guy half-assedly try to mug us, he asks us if we've got any valuables, my friend says no, but I just stayed still as if nothing was happening.
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Speaking of boating disasters: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Eastland A bunch of Western Electric employees board a boat in Chicago on the way to a company-sponsored picnic with their families. quote:In 1915, the new federal Seamen's Act had been passed because of the RMS Titanic disaster. This required retrofitting of a complete set of lifeboats on the Eastland as on many other passenger vessels. This additional weight, ironically, probably made the Eastland more dangerous and it worsened the already severe problem of being top-heavy. And then... quote:On the fateful morning, passengers began boarding the Eastland on the south bank of the Chicago River between Clark and LaSalle Streets around 6:30, and by 7:10 a.m., the ship had reached its capacity of 2,572 passengers. The ship was packed, with many passengers standing on the open upper decks, and began to list slightly to the port side (away from the wharf). The crew attempted to stabilize the ship by admitting water to its ballast tanks, but to little avail. Sometime in the next 15 minutes, a number of passengers rushed to the port side, and at 7:28, the Eastland lurched sharply to port and then rolled completely onto its side, coming to rest on the river bottom, which was only 20 feet below the surface. Many other passengers had already moved below decks on this relatively cool and damp morning to warm up before the departure. Consequently, hundreds were trapped inside by the water and the sudden rollover; others were crushed by heavy furniture, including pianos, bookcases, and tables. Although the ship was only 20 feet from the wharf, and in spite of the quick response by the crew of a nearby vessel, the Kenosha, which came alongside the hull to allow those stranded on the capsized vessel to leap to safety, a total of 844 passengers and four crew members died in the disaster. Just crazy that so many people could die so close to shore...
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Solice Kirsk posted:Holy poo poo. Something similar happened to my roommates and I, but we were three in shape guys so we just kicked the poo poo out of the burglar. The dude didn't do anything to her right? Cause asking one person to go into seclusion while they force a woman into another room sets off all my rape alarms. He told me to get in the closet and I told him to go gently caress himself. He was sort of high, so he just stood there looking confused and vaguely waving the knife at me. I lost it at that point and walked into the kitchen, grabbed a butcher's knife, and came back and stabbed him in the shoulder. It wasn't a real deep stab, but it freaked him out and he ran away. Total haul: $70 and one of my steak knives. The cops never did catch him.
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Wildeyes posted:I'm bingeing through this thread, but I wanted to bring this earlier post, because I think a lot of people glossed over it. Here's a link that gives a little more detail on the incident. It's a horrifying account of what happens when a sociopath finds himself in an environment where he can manipulate and exploit literally everyone. Never before have I been happy to hear about someone getting his hands cut off before being executed, but I feel assured that this motherfucker had it coming. As an additional note, I looked up the punishment given out on the trip home which is briefly mentioned...being dropped from the yard arm. quote:Continuing with the concept of suitable punishments while at sea, if you weren’t keelhauled you could be dropped from the yard. Masts and the accompanying yardarms were common on all ships (of course) and they provided a venue for a simple and very damaging treatment. The victim’s arms were tied behind his back, lead weights were attached to his ankles. A long rope was tied to the wrists (which were behind the back, remember). The man was then thrown off a yardarm, falling fifty feet or so toward the sea. The fall was ended when he reached the end of the rope. Needless to say, the result was usually dislocated shoulders and quite often broken wrists and ankles. As with keelhauling, this punishment was delivered in threes, so the shattered victim was pulled back up on the yardarm and dropped again. And again.
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benito posted:Leprosy chat. It sure is creepy. And the worst thing is that SA mods also believe in stigmatising the unfortunate: http://forums.somethingawful.com/banlist.php 
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Wildeyes posted:Yeah. During a crisis, a huge percentage of people loving freeze up and allow death to take them. This link goes into more detail about that phenomenon The problem is that everyone just assumes that they'd never do something so stupid, but unless you actually train hard it its just normal human response that everyone will do unless they have specific training otherwise.
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Wildeyes posted:MS Estonia You would be even more  if you saw the raw footage of a dive to the wreck that was posted on Youtube. Found-footage horror flicks don't come close. I stopped watching when the camera panned to the water rippling the hair of a corpse.  (No, I don't know if the film is still there. I don't have the heart to look.) There is treaty to prevent diving now. There may have been underhand business in the sinking but the ban on diving is mainly because a lot of the bodies are still there.
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