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I don't know why there are such strong feelings about Whedon above other creators. Me I hate Ubu the Dog!!
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# ? Aug 26, 2014 20:58 |
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Moments and performances can make an entire show - see: Northern Exposure - but most people who talk about Firefly talk about it like people talk about The Wire or Breaking Bad, as something which had a great world and poo poo, now I kind of want Northern Exposure in space.
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# ? Aug 26, 2014 21:00 |
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DrVenkman posted:I think this is about right. I mean Jericho had longer, but Firefly is made up of some really good moments and performances and that's it. No doubt that if Whedon got longer with it then it would've found it's groove, but it can't be judged on what might have been. I don't think it deserved to be cancelled, but there are so many shows I'd bring back before that one. No doubt. I think that the fervor over Firefly -- and I say this as someone who was unapologetically hardcore about the show when I first discovered it -- was more about its lost potential and FOX's lovely treatment of it than the show itself. That sounds a little more backhanded than I intended; to be sure, it was a strong show, the bones of something magical were there. But nothing ignites a movement like a sense of injustice, and airing the show out of order in a Friday timeslot with an incredibly corny ad campaign that sold it as Buckaroo Banzai Goes West stinks of injustice. For my money, Journeyman had the better half-season run. Nobody talks about it though, because NBC gave it as fair a shot as you could expect.
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# ? Aug 26, 2014 21:02 |
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DrVenkman posted:I think there's a pretty good chance it wouldn't have been cancelled the first time around. I don't think it would've lasted all that long, but the show had solid ratings. I think they would've got about 3 seasons out of it and then there would be stories about getting a Netflix deal. Jericho was being outperformed in the ratings department by the second season of Ghost Whisperer, which aired on a Friday at 8pm. In terms of CBS' lineup, it was a pretty poor showing and only got worse during the second season. Jericho is a lesson that listening to fan campaigns is a really lovely idea. e: Going through old programming lineups is absolutely hilarious, by the way. It really hammers home how forgettable most television shows are. Baronash fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Aug 26, 2014 |
# ? Aug 26, 2014 21:10 |
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The other thing I don't quite understand about hardcore Firefly fans is that Serenity exists and as far as I'm concerned that's about all that was needed. Serenity is a ridiculously well-executed sci-fi film and also the last anyone should want out of that setting.
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# ? Aug 26, 2014 21:16 |
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precision posted:Firefly is the perfect example of something with good episodes that was nevertheless not a great show. Firefly was good. Firefly fans, however, are not. also, the real showdown should've been Pushing Daisies vs. Happy Endings
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# ? Aug 26, 2014 21:19 |
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Sober posted:also, the real showdown should've been Pushing Daisies vs. Happy Endings Pushing Daisies has not aged well, but Happy Endings was never good. Tough choice.
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# ? Aug 26, 2014 21:25 |
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precision posted:The other thing I don't quite understand about hardcore Firefly fans is that Serenity exists and as far as I'm concerned that's about all that was needed. Serenity is a ridiculously well-executed sci-fi film and also the last anyone should want out of that setting. I love Serenity as a film, but it transports the characters from the setting that made the show unique and interesting to me, the frontier, into a fairly generic futuristic sci-fi landscape. Part of the reason I got into the show was because I am a sucker for westerns, and the movie almost entirely drops that part of the story. Not to mention that a movie isn't really a satisfying substitute for several seasons of a television show.
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# ? Aug 26, 2014 21:29 |
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I tried to watch Ultimate Spider-Man the other day and I got five minutes in before I saw this: gently caress that show and sorry you don't get to be in a good Spider-Man cartoon Donald Glover.
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# ? Aug 26, 2014 21:33 |
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To be honest, if you got the cast of Firefly together to be in something that is actually a conventional Western, it would probably loving rule. I wasn't much of a fan of the juggling act it tried to do, maybe that's why I preferred Serenity, though I think it's also a little unfair to say Serenity excised the junky Western aspect entirely; from memory there were about as many "Western" scenes as "generic sci-fi place" scenes, weren't there?
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# ? Aug 26, 2014 21:35 |
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I want to binge a TV show within the next couple days, and could use help deciding. Options: Sleepy Hollow season 1 Broad City season 1 Key and Peele, every bit of it available on Amazon Prime Carnivale finish Continuum season 2 continue watching Once Upon a Time season 2 (consider this the I Hate You option) Revenge season 2 Caprica 24 season 1 (never seen more than a few random episodes of 24) Homeland season 2
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# ? Aug 26, 2014 21:43 |
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Sleepy Hollow.
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# ? Aug 26, 2014 21:44 |
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Aphrodite posted:Moments and performances, minor things on a television show I guess? It wasn't enough to get people watching. But watching it again now, that's all that you can grasp on to. They hadn't nailed the characters yet, didn't know hot to do serial storytelling or overarching arc. They still hadn't nailed the tone either. Minor things on a television show I guess? It's a very thin show that showed great potential but was ended before it was able to build on what it had. Serenity was a fine send off, but I would've liked to have seen what Firefly could've achieved. While mood is great for something like Northern Exposure, which is a character driven show, it doesn't work for Firefly, which wasn't.
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# ? Aug 26, 2014 21:45 |
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MrAristocrates posted:Sleepy Hollow.
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# ? Aug 26, 2014 21:45 |
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Sleepy Hollow, Key and Peele, Carnivale. Depending on whether you want goofy genre fun, hilarious skits, or a super serious mindfuck.
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# ? Aug 26, 2014 21:45 |
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Carnivale.
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# ? Aug 26, 2014 21:46 |
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It surprised me how bad the first episode of the new season of Doctor Who is.
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# ? Aug 26, 2014 21:47 |
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I liked both Jericho and Firefly, but they really should bring back Alphas.
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# ? Aug 26, 2014 21:48 |
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Vincent posted:It surprised me how bad the first episode of the new season of Doctor Who is.
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# ? Aug 26, 2014 21:51 |
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Spatula City posted:I want to binge a TV show within the next couple days, and could use help deciding. You'll get the most out of Caprica. Its a very good show, incredibly dense and thought-provoking. That said, its not something you can watch while vegged out on the couch. It demands that you engage with it and if you can't or are unwilling to, you might as well watch Sleepy Hollow. Television doesn't get more mindless than that.
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# ? Aug 26, 2014 21:52 |
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Vincent posted:It surprised me how bad the first episode of the new season of Doctor Who is. I posted in the thread, but I liked Capaldi and I liked when the episode actually slows down and you get some moments between The Doctor and Clara. The rest of it though is Moffat overwriting (Missed something? It's OK, Moffat has got you covered because he's going to hammer it home) and everyone shouting their lines at each other. The embarrassing gay marriage stuff was just the worst. I don't know why two people keep telling eachother they're married, it's like they keep forgetting.
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# ? Aug 26, 2014 21:57 |
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DrVenkman posted:They hadn't nailed the characters yet, didn't know hot to do serial storytelling or overarching arc. I think that's because several other genre shows came in after that and figured out how to do it even better, building off the blueprint left by Buffy, Angel, Firefly et. al. By all means, don't oversell the quality of Firefly, but don't underestimate it either (if only because you'll give Browncoats an excuse to call it "underrated"). Firefly was my gateway into better television. Just because better television came after that (and there is even some better television to be found before) doesn't change it from being a watershed series to a lot of people.
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# ? Aug 26, 2014 22:03 |
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Spatula City posted:I want to binge a TV show within the next couple days, and could use help deciding. Broad City. Probably the best new comedy around and super easy to watch.
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# ? Aug 26, 2014 22:04 |
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DivisionPost posted:Firefly was my gateway into better television. Dear God man, what did you watch before Firefly?
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# ? Aug 26, 2014 22:09 |
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Ick I'm agreein with rarity, that's how crucial it is that you should watch sleepy hollow Ed: also here's a fun game to play: count the number of times in carnivale when a central plot of the episode is someone threatening to quit and then doesn't by the end, it's kind of incredible how many times they go back to that well over a two season show Also it's bad news for your show when the show is vastly more interesting when it's away from the carnival; the show shoulda been just about the preacher and his weird adventures over the desperately uninteresting soap opera gimmicks that dominated every carnival story in carnivale In short, carnivale was at best a mediocre show NieR Occomata fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Aug 26, 2014 |
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precision posted:Dear God man, what did you watch before Firefly? At the moment, I can't remember a drat thing I watched. You have to understand, I caught up on Firefly just after my first year of college; 2004, a year before Serenity dropped. Back then I was way more into movies than I was into TV, and I wasn't really paying attention to how the landscape was changing until that show dropped.
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# ? Aug 26, 2014 22:17 |
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Vincent posted:It surprised me how bad the first episode of the new season of Doctor Who is. Nope. Only 1/3 of it was bad. The rest was fascinating, daring, and effectively rebooted the series in a new, more somber direction. I will concede there were too many dumb jokes at Strax's expense. And the dinosaur was pointless. But Peter Capaldi owns and will be the best Doctor of the revival. Also, thank you all for your opinions, I shall watch Sleepy Hollow first, then Carnivale, then Broad City, then Caprica. It's nice to have a prioritized list.
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# ? Aug 26, 2014 22:18 |
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Jericho is still sort of alive, it's continuing in graphic novel form. The second one, known as "Season 4" just came out like last month. I bought it but haven't read it yet because I forgot who all the characters were so I need to go reread season 3. If you miss Firefly, you should give Sparks Nevada, Marshal on Mars, a part of The Thrilling Adventure Hour a try. I know I keep pushing it but that's mostly because it is literally my favorite thing still. Also, Nathan Fillion is in about 10 episodes, Adam Baldwin and Alan Tudyk are also in one each. Annakie fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Aug 26, 2014 |
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Don't watch carnivale spatula, it's 1/3 a great show dominated by 2/3 of a really boring soap opera
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# ? Aug 26, 2014 22:22 |
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Toxxupation posted:Don't watch carnivale spatula, it's 1/3 a great show dominated by 2/3 of a really boring soap opera Season 2 fixed that, in my opinion. And season 2 doesn't make sense without watching season 1. It's a lot more worth watching than Dr. Who, that's for sure!
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# ? Aug 26, 2014 22:23 |
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Carnivale is great. Firefly is trash.
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# ? Aug 26, 2014 22:37 |
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Spatula City posted:I want to binge a TV show within the next couple days, and could use help deciding. If you like cut and paste procedurals, stick to Sleep Hollow. But, though short, Caprica is absolutely brilliant in its delivery of a sci-fi world. It's an intense socio-political drama, which is rare for science fiction. And the deviation from "regular" science fiction is quite pleasant and well worth it. In either case, finish Continuum because season 3 is a great watch.
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# ? Aug 26, 2014 22:41 |
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Caprica has plot movement that the term "glacial" seems too fast for.
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# ? Aug 26, 2014 22:42 |
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Caprica would have been good if the show could have focused on just one plot. Instead it threw a bunch of stuff at the wall and nothing stuck.
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# ? Aug 26, 2014 22:48 |
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Spatula City posted:Nope. Only 1/3 of it was bad. The rest was fascinating, daring, and effectively rebooted the series in a new, more somber direction. Up to the restaurant is a full half.
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# ? Aug 26, 2014 22:51 |
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Ravane posted:If you like cut and paste procedurals, stick to Sleep Hollow. This is either really witty or the most low effort troll I've ever seen.
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# ? Aug 26, 2014 22:52 |
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Party Plane Jones posted:Caprica has plot movement that the term "glacial" seems too fast for. Ha watch Southcliffe.
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# ? Aug 26, 2014 22:52 |
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Aphrodite posted:Up to the restaurant is a full half. But Clara finally showing a backbone, and the whole bit with the homeless guy is before the restaurant.
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# ? Aug 26, 2014 22:54 |
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precision posted:This is either really witty or the most low effort troll I've ever seen. Look who posted it.
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Watch Spectacular Spider-Man. It's better than Batman: TAS and everything the character should be.
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