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Straight Male here, always love cheesy romance no matter the gender, also enjoy shojo comics and animes so hopefully girl side should be as enjoyable as well. Also after 3 you could only go up from here.
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Spiral Daedra here. I'm mainly sticking around for all the luscious cliff-racer action. Wait, what? Pigeons? Surely not.
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Aug 26, 2014 18:02
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Ghostwoods posted:Spiral Daedra here. I'm mainly sticking around for all the luscious cliff-racer action. Wait, what? Pigeons? Surely not. what's up daedra buddy
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Aug 26, 2014 18:23
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It's really not weird for a straight dude to enjoy a girl's dating sim, since with all the archetypes flying around, a guy can kind of insert himself as the character that most fits him. Also, this thread better vote for Kazuma because he looks like he punches dudes and doesn't give a gently caress. There's probably some space for Tekken jokes, too.
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Aug 26, 2014 19:17
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What the gently caress does it matter what our sexes and sexualities are? People like what they like. We want to watch these video games, it doesn't matter why. ddegenha posted:Let's Play Tokimeki Memorial Girl's Side - At Least They're Not Pigeons! I know you are joking but for those not in the loop Hatoful Boyfriend is actually amazing.
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Aug 26, 2014 19:25
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inthesto posted:Also, this thread better vote for Kazuma because he looks like he punches dudes and doesn't give a gently caress. There's probably some space for Tekken jokes, too. This brings up a good question, actually. In the blind run, I chose Goonko's club and personality based on a whim. Should I start over and let other people choose what club to join and roll with it? Or should I just keep trucking?
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Aug 26, 2014 19:26
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vibratingsheep posted:This brings up a good question, actually. In the blind run, I chose Goonko's club and personality based on a whim. Should I start over and let other people choose what club to join and roll with it? Or should I just keep trucking? I say keep trucking, give the thread a taste and let us choose after that. I'm personally really curious about how your translation will differ from the fan translations, but I'm not grading you or anything.
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Aug 26, 2014 19:29
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I'd say go with whatever you want for the blind run, save the voting for the second run where you go and look up what the hell is going on.
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Aug 26, 2014 19:44
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vibratingsheep posted:This brings up a good question, actually. In the blind run, I chose Goonko's club and personality based on a whim. Should I start over and let other people choose what club to join and roll with it? Or should I just keep trucking? Leave it all to chance the first time. I'm curious to see if that puts is sign someone completely unexpected.
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Aug 26, 2014 19:58
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I have to agree, it's only appropriate that you ~follow your heart~ for the first playthrough.
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Aug 26, 2014 20:14
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I'll mention that the games I'm aware of that have full-fledged explicitly romantic routes for both genders are Western ones (stuff like Magic Diary). I don't exactly have an encyclopedic knowledge of dating sims, though.
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Aug 26, 2014 20:15
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All I'm sayin' is we've just spent three entire games dating anime girls Let's not make it four  (Definitely play the first playthrough to your heart's desire Sheep  )
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Aug 26, 2014 20:19
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After the stranglehold the Goonmind has had over the last 3 games I think I would appreciate seeing one of these things left up to pure chaos and whim.
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Aug 26, 2014 20:23
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Fang Blade Havoc posted:In my experience with dating sims at large, it is extremely uncommon for a game to allow actual romance/relationship routes for more than one gender. There's the designated gender you're allowed to date, and then there's besties forever!! with anyone else. How self-aware and euphemistic the latter is varies, but it tends to look more like "and so at the end of my dateless highschool life, I, Goon, and my best friend smugface have decided to look for our soulmates together". (All that being said I never actually went for galpal endings in GS, so I'm just running on a very confident assumption.) It's slightly less uncommon in western-written anime romance games, but there's still a good bit of "besties forever" in the same-sex pairings.
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Aug 26, 2014 20:35
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It may be uncommon, but does it exist at all? ANy examples of games where the romance is not explicitly tied to one gender?
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Aug 26, 2014 20:50
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Jenner posted:I know you are joking but for those not in the loop Hatoful Boyfriend is actually amazing. Oh hell, yes. Utterly glorious.
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Aug 26, 2014 20:52
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Mister Olympus posted:It may be uncommon, but does it exist at all? ANy examples of games where the romance is not explicitly tied to one gender? Mass Effect and Dragon Age?
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Aug 26, 2014 21:13
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vibratingsheep posted:Mass Effect and Dragon Age? Whoops, just meant games from Japan. I already knew Bioware likes options in their dating sims with RPG mechanics.
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Aug 26, 2014 21:39
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Mister Olympus posted:Whoops, just meant games from Japan. I already knew Bioware likes options in their dating sims with RPG mechanics. A few visual novels have camp gay endings, like MajiKoi (Maji de Watashi ni Koi Shinasai). These are considered bad endings, though, since the girls lament how the main character has "turned gay" while the guys nod uncomfortably (unless they're also camp gay, of course  ).
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Aug 26, 2014 21:42
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Mister Olympus posted:It may be uncommon, but does it exist at all? ANy examples of games where the romance is not explicitly tied to one gender? I named one and could name others, but they're all Western visual novels/dating sims. This likely stems from the state of GLBT affairs in Japan and the United States, respectively (basically, Japan's still getting there, well, so is the United States but the latter's a little further).
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Aug 26, 2014 21:51
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Mister Olympus posted:Whoops, just meant games from Japan. I already knew Bioware likes options in their dating sims with RPG mechanics. The only one I know of that has both options is Fukai ni Nemuru Oujo no Abaddon, an adult RPG Maker horror game(based on a NES game called Sweet Home) with both gay and straight options. Most other games might have a token gay character but it is very rare for a game to have a true gay option among the other romance options for the MC. I guess the reason for the lack is that it might be harder to sell or considered a waste of resources for the majority of dating sims to try something like that.
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Aug 26, 2014 21:54
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I'd definitely like to see what Sheep gets by just doing what he wants. So what's the differences between the PS2 and the DS remake of this game?
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Aug 26, 2014 22:19
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Robindaybird posted:I'd definitely like to see what Sheep gets by just doing what he wants. More boys, touchscreen features, and "Skinship" I believe. (I do hope skinship isn't as dirty as it sounds.)
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Aug 26, 2014 22:25
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The man called M posted:(I do hope skinship isn't as dirty as it sounds.)
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Aug 26, 2014 22:32
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I'm pretty sure it's possible to play through the game without ever discovering that skinship exists, but I don't know if I've ever done so (I feel compelled to play as efficiently as possible and goddammit I wanna make little success hearts fly across the screen!). Maybe I'll go back to GS1 alongside the thread and give it a shot? I'm super married to GS3 and never play the others anymore because it's hard to go backwards from there. e: Yes, you basically poke or rub at the guy's face/arms/whatever to simulate like holding hands or making eye contact. It builds up (or subtracts from) a separate meter of love points that basically adds together with regular relationship points. I don't think it's strictly necessary, but like all things it adds up and makes things go more smoothly. Fang Blade Havoc fucked around with this message at 23:07 on Aug 26, 2014 |
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Aug 26, 2014 22:41
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What is it, using the stylus to lovingly poke your anime man?
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Mors Rattus posted:What is it, using the stylus to lovingly poke your anime man? "Cuddling", back rubs, that sort of thing, iirc.
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Aug 26, 2014 23:05
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Mors Rattus posted:What is it, using the stylus to lovingly poke your anime man? Yes. Basically exactly that...Though poking indiscriminately will ultimately lower affection, not raise it. At least in the first Girl's Side -- I don't know if the system changes later.
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Aug 26, 2014 23:05
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So it's like Pokemon-amie with cute boys?
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Aug 26, 2014 23:07
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Coolguye posted:There was a brief discussion about it earlier in the thread and it sounded like a pretty badly thought out feature. I believe the defining moment was when someone posted a comic about a girl thinking 'i must get sensei to fall in dokis with me' and then it portrayed her poking him in the arm while he tried to lecture I'm sure someone already posted it in the thread, but: doki.wmv
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Aug 26, 2014 23:20
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Coolguye posted:After the stranglehold the Goonmind has had over the last 3 games I think I would appreciate seeing one of these things left up to pure chaos and whim. 
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On the subject of which country is further along in the LGBT rights area, I also noticed the larger prevalence of games where you have a choice of which gender to date in American games. But, it occurs to me that Japanese games (and other media) are a LOT more likely to include crossdressers or characters of otherwise ambiguous gender than American games are. Most of them aren't technically dating sims, but it's worth mentioning. If you want to know the dating sims where you can actually date such a character, off the top of my head I can think of Tokimeki Memorial 1, Sakura Wars 5, and Persona 4. Also Hakuoki stars a woman posing as a man, if that counts.
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Wanton Spoon posted:On the subject of which country is further along in the LGBT rights area, I also noticed the larger prevalence of games where you have a choice of which gender to date in American games. But, it occurs to me that Japanese games (and other media) are a LOT more likely to include crossdressers or characters of otherwise ambiguous gender than American games are. Most of them aren't technically dating sims, but it's worth mentioning. Yeah, it's a little more complicated than the extreme simplification I gave. (For one thing, Japan doesn't have the 'die gays' religious thing.) And also it's worth considering that what gets published reflects what's marketable to a specific nerdy subsection rather than the majority of the Japanese population. Yaoi and yuri in particular has a lot of fantasy gays going on, though there's some stuff with a more realistic take. But this is all really a tangent. Point is, the market tends to be more focused upon specific target audiences so you will get a game dedicated to a girl pursuing boys or a boy pursuing boys or whatever, but not much of a mixture.
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Mister Olympus posted:It may be uncommon, but does it exist at all? ANy examples of games where the romance is not explicitly tied to one gender? Unfortunately I can't read Japanese so my knowledge of how actually-romantic the endings are for the few Japanese games I know of is very incomplete. Titles that may count: Fukai ni Nemuru Oujo no Abaddon (as Jikorde mentioned) Tsui☆Teru (this appears to be plotless porn though?) on girl's side: Sumire no Tsubomi Chou no Doku Hana no Kusari Toiro Komachi ~Kurenai ni Somaru no Toki Made~ Gekka Ryouran ROMANCE - This definitely has a full romantic yuri route, I've seen fans of Japanese otome complaining about it because they disliked having the option at all.
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The way that LGBT folks in both countries get treated is very different; America and Japan are progressive in different areas and horrible in different areas. (Japanese nerd media is a lot more likely to include gay or trans people; it is also a lot more likely to have trans people be referred to as crossdressers, and to play both for intensely disrespectful comedy. Well, that second part may not be entirely true, I haven't seen a ton of American nerd media that even included trans people.)
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Robindaybird posted:So what's the differences between the PS2 and the DS remake of this game? If I remember correctly, the DS remake adds an additional secret character, a bonus event for each of the main guys, different outfits*, the skinship mechanic, and I think some minigames were changed to include touchscreen controls. *I read that the Girl's Side 2 outfits were more popular, so they replaced the original ones with GS2 outfits in the remake. I've never played the PS2 version though, so I'm not sure whether that's true.
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Aug 27, 2014 04:44
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Doesn't at least one of the Harvest Moon games let a girl marry a girl, and even adopt a kid? (At least in Japan?)
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Aug 27, 2014 04:50
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Yeah. The first DS girls side game let you become "lifetime best friends" with the secret ladies and after a month or two you get a child. I am unsure how Japan treats it, whether it's marriage and adoption or the same as the U.S.
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FredMSloniker posted:Doesn't at least one of the Harvest Moon games let a girl marry a girl, and even adopt a kid? (At least in Japan?) Yeah, DS Cute. You had a Best Friends ceremony and then she moved into your house and slept in your bed and raised a child with you. As best friends do. It was a remake of the male-only Harvest Moon DS, so they just kept in some of the marriage options. They took it out in the English release, though. I was pretty steamed about that, because I really wanted to gay marry a mermaid.
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Broadly speaking Japan doesn't really care if you're gay or whatever, just as long as you understand your gender role and pop out kids accordingly (which is why gay marriage isn't gonna take off for a while yet, as marrying is still explicitly for starting the mom and dad with kids kind of family here) and also that you don't make it a big deal if you are. Gay pride parades are seen here as kind of like "okay, we get it, you're loud and proud, now turn down the volume on your Hedwig soundtrack please." Plus there's a lot of homophobia on an individual level--the best way I can put it is if it were a NIMBY issue. They're fine with gay people as a whole and won't send a pogrom after you but if it's someone they personally know they'll flip. As with many Japanese things the tendency to sweep things under the rug and not talk about them leads to a lot of this. I think it'll change but it'll take a while.
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