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Fatkraken posted:"uh, guys, maybe this medium that's still at the stage of being largely about little boy's power fantasies is a bit sexist"? 
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I think I might be the only non-blogger who thinks Kotaku's decision on Patreon is total bullshit. Should writers be barred from reporting on stuff they've contributed to? Totally. If they do mention someone they've supported, should they disclose that? Absolutely. But should a person's company be able to tell them what they can or can't spend their wages on in their free time? Hell no. It's a job they have, not an indentured servitude contract.
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Aug 27, 2014 13:50
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I really don't have any issues with Anita. I'm just getting bored of hearing her talk about games though because she used to talk about a lot of other media and like 80% of the games she brings up I've never played and have no interest in playing. Anyway, I just hope she eventually takes on the real enemy. Anime.  V -- agreed. Sephiroth_IRA fucked around with this message at 13:56 on Aug 27, 2014 |
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Aug 27, 2014 13:51
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Sarkeesians videos are pretty much on the level of a high school project. Clips lifted from Youtube videos completely unsourced, text read straight from the Wiki and TVTropes pages for the subject, never moves on from What into How or Why. Decent if you want to get a B-/C+ in class, useless if you want to convince anyone of anything.
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Aug 27, 2014 13:53
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Sephiroth_IRA posted:I really don't have any issues with Anita. I'm just getting bored of hearing her talk about games though because she used to talk about a lot of other media and like 80% of the games she brings up I've never played and have no interest in playing. She's got no idea what cultural context is, so this would be magnificent. Also, anime is loving bad.
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Aug 27, 2014 13:56
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macnbc posted:I think I might be the only non-blogger who thinks Kotaku's decision on Patreon is total bullshit. well there's a pretty big difference between "buying a thing because you like it" and "actively funding a person for existing and then covering anything that person does" and the second, as it turns out, tends to introduce a bit more bias than the first
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Aug 27, 2014 13:56
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viddy used to be about having fun with your friends and raging at griefers
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Aug 27, 2014 13:57
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california roll posted:viddy used to be about having fun with your friends and raging at griefers we were so innocent then... before the gender wars...
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Aug 27, 2014 13:58
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Nion posted:Sarkeesians videos are pretty much on the level of a high school project. Clips lifted from Youtube videos completely unsourced, text read straight from the Wiki and TVTropes pages for the subject, never moves on from What into How or Why. Decent if you want to get a B-/C+ in class, useless if you want to convince anyone of anything. Hey. Hey! You forget something. She knows how to fix games. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZKtFfHIGrA Look at that clever subverting of hurtful tropes. Pretty cool, huh?
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Aug 27, 2014 13:59
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BigFatFlyingBloke posted:Cargo-cult sociology. Has occasional good points hidden in a whole load of garbage. Her videos also tend to be presented in a way that it's clear they are intended for people who already hold the same views she does to nod along respectively to rather than to convince people to her point of view. this is kind of how i see it. i think anita is probably pretty great. but her videos are just boring and don't do anything to explain the key terms to anyone who doesn't already know what they are, much less the importance of the issue. i think her 'analysis' is also pretty drat basic and shallow. but like, if i wanted to do a video series that tried to convince gamers that there was a problem with sexism in their media, i'd do something other than talking into a camera with lots of big sociology terms that, if the average gamer hasn't heard, doesn't really know the meaning of. i think she could do better if she really wanted but i also think she probably makes an absolute killing of cheap videos and idiot nerd man-rage, so, good on her, i guess?
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Aug 27, 2014 14:00
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anita is dumb, video games are dumb, nerds are also dumb
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Aug 27, 2014 14:02
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adolescent power fantasy blah blah male gaze yadda yadda gonna go rescue the princess
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Aug 27, 2014 14:02
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gamer? i hardly knew her!
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Aug 27, 2014 14:03
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macnbc posted:I think I might be the only non-blogger who thinks Kotaku's decision on Patreon is total bullshit. Basic journalistic ethics should have handled this without needing a rule prohibiting them from donating to any developers Patreon, but the journalists have made it pretty clear that they are completely unwilling to follow basic journalistic ethics.
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Aug 27, 2014 14:03
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 - ayo gurl. ima rescue u so bad bb
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Aug 27, 2014 14:03
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When gamers complain about her "scamming" people I just tell them that what they're really complaining about is the free market. So I win no matter what.
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Aug 27, 2014 14:03
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Can you even feign an attempt at creating a dialogue with your videos when you disable comments on all of them? Youtube comments are absolute poo poo but it definitely makes you look like an idiot preaching to a choir to just cut all comments off completely.
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Aug 27, 2014 14:11
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Nion posted:Basic journalistic ethics should have handled this without needing a rule prohibiting them from donating to any developers Patreon, but the journalists have made it pretty clear that they are completely unwilling to follow basic journalistic ethics. They shouldnt have to follow journalistic ethics because they are not journalists
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Aug 27, 2014 14:12
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Milky Moor posted:this is kind of how i see it. What I've watched of her videos feel like an overeager undergrad's Women's Studies 101 studies project. She does make some good points but considering there's some who'll take any criticisms of games as a direct personal attack, she could've handled it better to mitigate the nerdrage.
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Aug 27, 2014 14:12
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juliuspringle posted:I'm sorry guys, it was me, I bought Gone Home (during summer sale). I just like games where you walk around and explore stuff. It's pretty good. There's a lot of fun stuff to find.
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Aug 27, 2014 14:13
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Her first mistake was treating sociology like a science. It's not a science; Physics, Chemistry, Biology, etc. are science.
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Aug 27, 2014 14:14
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Narciss posted:Her first mistake was treating sociology like a science. It's not a science; Physics, Chemistry, Biology, etc. are science. Lol. What is your favourite XKCD comic?
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Aug 27, 2014 14:15
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The General posted:What's the general opinion of Anita Sarkeesian? I'm just curious. Her name gets dropped a lot during these debates, and I guess I'd just like a status update, as I haven't heard poo poo about her since she released her first Tropes vs. Videogames video. I have no idea if her videos are any good or not, but she's basically become immune from criticism because of the absolute shitstorm of insane hateful misogyny her videos generated.
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Aug 27, 2014 14:18
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Narciss posted:Her first mistake was treating sociology like a science. It's not a science; Physics, Chemistry, Biology, etc. are science. Actually, it's just an application of physics studying a very difficult subject.
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Aug 27, 2014 14:18
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Narciss posted:Her first mistake was treating sociology like a science. It's not a science; Physics, Chemistry, Biology, etc. are science. Sociology is a science you dummy
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Aug 27, 2014 14:21
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Fatkraken posted:I'm serious when I say I think her place was justified, not because what she's saying is particularly new or interesting but because of the unbelievably lovely and disproportionate response it's attracted from people claiming to be the "gaming community". Fair enough but I don't think it's really a mystery as to why she experienced backlash by approaching a community of fat autistic nerds as an outsider and informed them that she intended to burn them down and rebuild them from the ground up Like on one hand it's an industry by and large comprised of absurd male power fantasy, but on the other hand the only counter-argument I ever really hear is "I'm not involved in any of this but I think all of it should be destroyed" Constructive dialogues about feminism in games are long overdue but they need to actually be constructive and not a combo of TVtropes references and dismissive sarcasm
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Aug 27, 2014 14:23
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Gorman Thomas posted:Sociology is a science you dummy *pats you on the head respectfully* of course it is, sweetie.
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Aug 27, 2014 14:23
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God I can't wait for PAX Prime. What's the over/under on ZQ getting a standing ovation?
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Aug 27, 2014 14:25
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Gorman Thomas posted:Sociology is a science you dummy Can I see a social connection? Can I touch it? Can I stroke it? Can I put a ruler on top of it and tell you that it is 'x' inches long? ...No? Then by definition it is not a science. ----------------
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Aug 27, 2014 14:25
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macnbc posted:I think I might be the only non-blogger who thinks Kotaku's decision on Patreon is total bullshit.  I don't see how giving your money away without expecting a ROI counts as a financial tie
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Aug 27, 2014 14:26
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Narciss posted:Can I see a social connection? Can I touch it? Can I stroke it? Can I put a ruler on top of it and tell you that it is 'x' inches long? lol
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Aug 27, 2014 14:27
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Can someone explain what this is and its significance? It gets empty quoted a lot but I have no clue what on earth is the big deal
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Aug 27, 2014 14:28
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Narciss posted:Can I see a social connection? Can I touch it? Can I stroke it? Can I put a ruler on top of it and tell you that it is 'x' inches long? you retard
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Lightanchor posted:
Journalists aren't allowed to donate to political campaigns. This is like the kiddie pool version of that. Both are a donation that might go a tiny way towards getting something done but which is ultimately a drop in the ocean in a larger fund, but both still represent a conflict of interest
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Aug 27, 2014 14:29
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Narciss posted:Can I see a social connection? Can I touch it? Can I stroke it? Can I put a ruler on top of it and tell you that it is 'x' inches long? look at this virgin 
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Forums Barber posted:*pats you on the head respectfully* of course it is, sweetie. *nods respectfully at u* Yeah, how could the workings of human societies ever be worth studying? They have no impact on the real world! As long as there's data to apply the scientific method to, I don't see the problem.
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Aug 27, 2014 14:30
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Madcosby posted:Can someone explain what this is and its significance? It gets empty quoted a lot but I have no clue what on earth is the big deal We want to see the cat pic.
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Aug 27, 2014 14:31
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Fatkraken posted:Journalists aren't allowed to donate to political campaigns. This is like the kiddie pool version of that. "I don't care if you sleep with elephants as long as you don't cover the circus." -Abe Rosenthal But there does seem to be a difference between politics, in which you can expect a material award, and patreon, in which you cannot. if you can it's a problem again.
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Fluo posted:I went to check his twitter and saw this. Tom Hatfield seem like the type of guy who would easily fall for a fake online girlfriend.
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