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Notorious QIG posted:p sure i still wouldve been disgusted! iirc that actually happened in god of war 2 and i was definitely bothered by it
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Kenny Logins posted:there is a point to watching them. the most recent one had a few angles/examples that i didn't realize i was unthinkingly "ok" with until someone actually put what was wrong with them into words. there were a few examples from games i've never played that were very wtf (no more heroes...2?) yeah the no more heroes one was very wtf but the whole series is very wtf and honestly those games are loving insane and a scene like that makes perfect sense in context. thats the sort of one that i would think is ok if it wasnt part of a larger trend
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Aug 27, 2014 18:39
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Busta Chimes.wav posted:iirc that actually happened in god of war 2 and i was definitely bothered by it it was 3 but either way
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Werthog 95 posted:nope because they'll say "YOU WOULDN'T COMPLAIN IF IT HAD BEEN A MAN!!!" funny thing is, that scene happens about ten minutes after you have to smash a dude's face in and rather than panning the camera away like they do for the woman they lovingly zoom in to capture every flying blood drop and shattered bone fragment. it's extreme even by god of war standards and the juxtaposition dragged me out of the game p. hard. like they suddenly realized halfway through how this looked but could only bring themselves to put a bandaid on it and not make the game meaningfully less shameful
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Sweevo posted:everyone needs to buy 20 copies of alan wake right now, because it ends on a cliffhanger and didn't sell well enough for the sequel to get made THANK YOU. american nightmare was not that good of a game dammit, alan wake and its DLC is pretty goddamn amazing and i mean this 100% that alan wake hits a lot harder if you've 1) ever been married or in a long-term serious relationship and/or 2) been mega stressed over work. it's seriously adult poo poo
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Aug 27, 2014 18:40
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why do you guys want to censor art???
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Notorious QIG posted:it was 3 but either way no i mean you use a man as a prop to get caught in gears in god of war 2. they repeated it in god of war 3 with the woman
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Aug 27, 2014 18:41
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Yodzilla posted:and i mean this 100% that alan wake hits a lot harder if you've 1) ever been married or in a long-term serious relationship and/or 2) been mega stressed over work. it's seriously adult poo poo so 90% of gamers wont get it
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there's like a dozen things in that environment that would have been more effective at jamming the gears than a human body but nope he's got to throw in the one live neutral npc in the entire loving level
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Busta Chimes.wav posted:no i mean you use a man as a prop to get caught in gears in god of war 2. they repeated it in god of war 3 with the woman i dont remember that but i dont doubt it haveblue posted:funny thing is, that scene happens about ten minutes after you have to smash a dude's face in and rather than panning the camera away like they do for the woman they lovingly zoom in to capture every flying blood drop and shattered bone fragment. it's extreme even by god of war standards and the juxtaposition dragged me out of the game p. hard. like they suddenly realized halfway through how this looked but could only bring themselves to put a bandaid on it and not make the game meaningfully less shameful oh the scribe dude? yeah that was hosed up too. that whole series is "adult" in the worst possible way, a shame the gameplay itself is so enjoyable
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one of the things the videos helpfully point out is that while men are also brutally murdered they are rarely sexualized at the same time, unlike with women
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Notorious QIG posted:yeah the no more heroes one was very wtf but the whole series is very wtf and honestly those games are loving insane and a scene like that makes perfect sense in context. thats the sort of one that i would think is ok if it wasnt part of a larger trend
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Werthog 95 posted:
whenever people talk about sjws i associate them with this.
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haveblue posted:there's like a dozen things in that environment that would have been more effective at jamming the gears than a human body but nope he's got to throw in the one live bare-breasted neutral npc in the entire loving level that you drag said chesty npc through
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Notorious QIG posted:this one is literally half an hour of watching women get brutally murdered in video games couldnt that be extended to the endcemic violence that pervaedes all of hte subject matter Lol rofl
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Cold on a Cob posted:one of the things the videos helpfully point out is that while men are also brutally murdered they are rarely sexualized at the same time, unlike with women yeah the hitman posters were a great example of that
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Werthog 95 posted:nope because they'll say "YOU WOULDN'T COMPLAIN IF IT HAD BEEN A MAN!!!" yeah that's at best a blind squirrel smelling a nut but not finding it there is a difference between an npc who just happens to be female and an npc whose femininity is used as an excuse for some kind of misogynist garbage but i'd wager most people who would raise that complaint are entirely incapable of distinguishing one from the other
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she also talks about why sexualizing men is a poor solution too (but i don't remember why or if i even agreed necessarily), which is an excuse i've heard for metal gear i've never really played those though so i can't really comment further
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Notorious QIG posted:oh the scribe dude? yeah that was hosed up too. that whole series is "adult" in the worst possible way, a shame the gameplay itself is so enjoyable he's in gow2 I think, I meant hercules in gow3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCPIooLVTMU 10:50
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stoutfish posted:whenever people talk about sjws i associate them with this. i've already decided when people call me that (and they have, here and in other places) i'm going to take it as a compliment because fighting for social justice is a good thing
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Kenny Logins posted:otoh i want to believe you otoh i think this might be like mgs4's beauties (which she hasn't considered... yet) where out of context it looks terrible but hey there is a context and there's serious themes there and the game series is wild and weird but ultimately at the end of the day it's still really embarrassing and exploitative since it's so so very easy to take out of context the beauties wouldnt be so bad if the camera wasnt constantly focused on their butts and crotches all the time, all the sequences with them get really uncomfortable
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i guess i get the criticism of "well there's too many marginal examples while there's still flagrant ones being left out" but i think the point is so that you can't say "well if it isn't as bad as gow3 then it's basically fine". it's all awful in degrees, and the low degree violations in many cases are even harder to excise from society than the crazy obvious ones
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Aug 27, 2014 18:48
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haveblue posted:he's in gow2 I think, I meant hercules in gow3 oh yeah. also dont forget that multiple times in gow3 you get to see kratos murder a dude in first person from the perspective of the victim
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im just gonna stick to the metal gear series where its like fifty years of old men crushing on eachother and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPDMz4ERIpg
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Isn't it revealed later that Mistral is trans?
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Liver Disaster posted:im just gonna stick to the metal gear series where its like fifty years of old men crushing on eachother and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPDMz4ERIpg
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Egan Yardley posted:since its old snake now they should have more realistic inventory items, like "viagra" or "copd meds" can love bloom in the battlefield? also im pretty sure they have nanomachines for that
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Liver Disaster posted:im just gonna stick to the metal gear series where its like fifty years of old men crushing on eachother and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPDMz4ERIpg metal gear is cool though i'm worried that mgs5 might go down the "rape is maaaatuuuurrreee" idiothole Kuvo posted:Isn't it revealed later that Mistral is trans? i don't think so
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Kenny Logins posted:otoh i want to believe you otoh i think this might be like mgs4's beauties (which she hasn't considered... yet) where out of context it looks terrible but hey there is a context and there's serious themes there and the game series is wild and weird but ultimately at the end of the day it's still really embarrassing and exploitative since it's so so very easy to take out of context this is pretty close to the truth, no more heroes is an indictment of gmaer culture and directly conflates video game violence with lashing out because of sexual impotence. nmh2, where the scene in the video came from, was unfortunately not as coherent but it did have a really cool soviet space man boss
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"Please stop forcing me to make these games and sending death threats" -Kojima
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Notorious QIG posted:there are very, very few deadpan serious horror movies that actually work. the problem is that you know youre watching a film on an intrinsic level and know that whatevers on the other side of the screen cant actually hurt you. i think this is why the ring was so successful, the basic premise of the movie is that whats on the other side of the screen can indeed hurt you, so it puts you on edge regardless list of good horror movies in the past 15 years: kill list the descent ???
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Notorious QIG posted:like i think even the biggest anti-anita shitlords should be able to look at the one and say "ok that one's a fair point" you forget that they're the dumbest people in the entire loving world
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satire works better if you punch up instead of just aping the bad stuff "ironically" like no more heroes i.e. maybe do a game where numerous powerful women commit acts of cruelty and sexualized violence against men maybe mra shitheads would eat it up anyway? i dunno haven't thought it through in any case, i get that some satire uses ridiculous extremes of existing problems to make a point but when this form of satire appeals to true believers and keeps everyone else from viewing it, it's just not effective. so an essay about eating babies = good satire, a man cooking and eating a convincing animatronic baby on a live webstream = bad satire
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Busta Chimes.wav posted:this is pretty close to the truth, no more heroes is an indictment of gmaer culture and directly conflates video game violence with lashing out because of sexual impotence. nmh2, where the scene in the video came from, was unfortunately not as coherent but it did have a really cool soviet space man boss it may be that gamer [man]children are not sufficiently developed to appreciate this kind of nuance and instead say things like "aw yeah dude i totally diced that dumb bitch" kill all humans
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Squeezy Farm posted:couldnt that be extended to the endcemic violence that pervaedes all of hte subject matter Lol rofl no unfortunately because men and women aren't killed the same way
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Cold on a Cob posted:satire works better if you punch up instead of just aping the bad stuff "ironically" like no more heroes parody is not satire. just using generic tropes about women and pretending to be ironic isn't satire. Satire is subversive, it has a point to make. your example would be real satire, but that requires intelligence and a deft touch - the people who make games have no loving clue how to walk the line and just make terrible poo poo if they even try to be satirical. except spec ops: the line
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flakeloaf posted:it may be that gamer [man]children are not sufficiently developed to appreciate this kind of nuance and instead say things like "aw yeah dude i totally diced that dumb bitch" having your character jerk off his lightsaber to recharge its batteries isnt exactly nuanced (the player duplicates the motion in the wii version). but yeah same reason you can't make an anti-war film
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Blackula69 posted:except spec ops: the line Busta Chimes.wav posted:but yeah same reason you can't make an anti-war film
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Squeezy Farm posted:couldnt that be extended to the endcemic violence that pervaedes all of hte subject matter Lol rofl the argument is that in western society (the broader cultural context for these videogames and for 'gamer' culture), the murder rate is quite low (e.g. 4.7 murders for every 100,000 people per year in the US), whereas sexual violence is much more common & something that is more 'dangerous' to desensitize people to - though I would argue that games glorifying war are actually quite 'problematic' in their own regard Lmao roflmao
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