CuckQuest+: A Tale of Five Guys and a Lady? {read the OP}

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a shiny rock: Nov 13, 2009

big duck equals goose posted:

Dooby received death threats on twitter and now is living in his truck scared of a @SamWaterson who threatened to shove a frogdog in his butthole...

hosed up if true

# ? Aug 28, 2014 18:03

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EugeneJ: Feb 5, 2012; by FactsAreUseless

Madcosby posted:

if SA someday randomly decides to fund someone's life for no reason whatsoever aside from irony I call dibs as the recipient

me and doobs

Hi Lowtax

# ? Aug 28, 2014 18:03

Spanish Manlove: Aug 31, 2008; HAILGAYSATAN

Also by my logic you should all hate Chris Roberts 14000 times more than sarkeesian. Get to it

# ? Aug 28, 2014 18:05

01011001: Dec 26, 2012

BottledBodhisvata posted:

Acceptable, and there's no arguing against the fact that Zelda was largely relegated to the role of every other primary female role in the 80's--be it your girlfriend or the princess or whatever. However, it is fair to also say that the portrayals of these Princesses have changed dramatically since those days--where a degree of simplicity was required by limitations of the hardware. There were games--like Metroid--who had active women characters too, and numerous games of the subsequent generation featured male or female characters you could choose from. And from Wind Waker onwards, Zelda herself has been a very active character in the game's events.

It's just annoying to suggest that this is a problem pervasive in games, because it really isn't. There are LOADS of kick-rear end girl characters in games. Fighting game rosters tend to have fighters from both genders, as do racing games. Really, the biggest area of "men's club" gaming that I know to exist is in the realm of first-person shooters (and licensed sports games since nobody pays money to see the REAL WNBA, let alone play the fake computer version), and I would not be surprised if the vast majority of these toxic gamers who harass people and poo poo come from the CoD circles.

And this is to say nothing of games where you can build your own character, and thus make a woman to your specifications who is just as able as male characters are.

It matters in that she lied about it, and that now she, a non-gamer, is being asked by game developers to help them make their games. It'd be like if somebody made a commentary about how there's an issue of race in the NFL (why no Asians!?), but doesn't actually watch football or know anything about the game, and is then paid by the NFL to make a team (all Asians!) without any knowledge of what makes a functioning team.

who can i donate to to get you to shut up about this awful sincere discussion of minorities in gaming poo poo

# ? Aug 28, 2014 18:05

Woden: May 6, 2006

BottledBodhisvata posted:

Acceptable, and there's no arguing against the fact that Zelda was largely relegated to the role of every other primary female role in the 80's--be it your girlfriend or the princess or whatever. However, it is fair to also say that the portrayals of these Princesses have changed dramatically since those days--where a degree of simplicity was required by limitations of the hardware. There were games--like Metroid--who had active women characters too, and numerous games of the subsequent generation featured male or female characters you could choose from. And from Wind Waker onwards, Zelda herself has been a very active character in the game's events.

It's just annoying to suggest that this is a problem pervasive in games, because it really isn't. There are LOADS of kick-rear end girl characters in games. Fighting game rosters tend to have fighters from both genders, as do racing games. Really, the biggest area of "men's club" gaming that I know to exist is in the realm of first-person shooters (and licensed sports games since nobody pays money to see the REAL WNBA, let alone play the fake computer version), and I would not be surprised if the vast majority of these toxic gamers who harass people and poo poo come from the CoD circles.

And this is to say nothing of games where you can build your own character, and thus make a woman to your specifications who is just as able as male characters are.

It matters in that she lied about it, and that now she, a non-gamer, is being asked by game developers to help them make their games. It'd be like if somebody made a commentary about how there's an issue of race in the NFL (why no Asians!?), but doesn't actually watch football or know anything about the game, and is then paid by the NFL to make a team (all Asians!) without any knowledge of what makes a functioning team.

Where did you copy paste this from? Please link your source.

# ? Aug 28, 2014 18:06

DJ Fuckboy Supreme: Feb 10, 2011; And when you stare long into the abyss, you become aggressively, terminally chill

big duck equals goose posted:

You would think both of these people could get together and find harmony with each other on the fact that they love pissing away money on really terrible ideas.

# ? Aug 28, 2014 18:06

a shiny rock: Nov 13, 2009

the enemies of gaming

# ? Aug 28, 2014 18:06

Waltzing Along: Jun 14, 2008; There's only one
Human race
Many faces
Everybody belongs here

10 pages is a lot to catch up on. Did she kill herself yet?

# ? Aug 28, 2014 18:07

DoctorStrangelove: Jun 7, 2012; IT WOULD NOT BE DIFFICULT MEIN FUHRER!

Spanish Manlove posted:

Two million one hundred thirty four thousand three hundred seventy four dollars

$2 million?

hahahahahahahahahahahaha

# ? Aug 28, 2014 18:07

Azraelle: Jan 13, 2008

BottledBodhisvata posted:

Acceptable, and there's no arguing against the fact that Zelda was largely relegated to the role of every other primary female role in the 80's--be it your girlfriend or the princess or whatever. However, it is fair to also say that the portrayals of these Princesses have changed dramatically since those days--where a degree of simplicity was required by limitations of the hardware. There were games--like Metroid--who had active women characters too, and numerous games of the subsequent generation featured male or female characters you could choose from. And from Wind Waker onwards, Zelda herself has been a very active character in the game's events.

It's just annoying to suggest that this is a problem pervasive in games, because it really isn't. There are LOADS of kick-rear end girl characters in games. Fighting game rosters tend to have fighters from both genders, as do racing games. Really, the biggest area of "men's club" gaming that I know to exist is in the realm of first-person shooters (and licensed sports games since nobody pays money to see the REAL WNBA, let alone play the fake computer version), and I would not be surprised if the vast majority of these toxic gamers who harass people and poo poo come from the CoD circles.

And this is to say nothing of games where you can build your own character, and thus make a woman to your specifications who is just as able as male characters are.

This is true, but even the latest Zelda Game still features more or less the exact same trope, with Zelda being relieved of agency in roughly the same way as in LTTP. There are definitely an increase in representation, and this is good, and this is why game devs usually have no problem with feminist critique, they recognise the problem, and as any good capitalist, they want to sell games to everyone. But kidnapped women is still very common, and I would agree with Anita that the twist is to make it darker and edgier, in a way that often makes the game suffer.

When it comes to Samus I would agree. She is a woman with agency, in high-profile beloved traditional games. Until Metroid other M.

# ? Aug 28, 2014 18:08

Lazyfire: Feb 4, 2006; God saves. Satan Invests

BottledBodhisvata posted:

It matters in that she lied about it, and that now she, a non-gamer, is being asked by game developers to help them make their games. It'd be like if somebody made a commentary about how there's an issue of race in the NFL (why no Asians!?), but doesn't actually watch football or know anything about the game, and is then paid by the NFL to make a team (all Asians!) without any knowledge of what makes a functioning team.

Diversity is bad now? I don't think it's a problem that you consult someone who doesn't play games on how to make your games less sexist or to approach female characters differently than the largely male staff of most video game companies would.

# ? Aug 28, 2014 18:09

blainestereo: Jan 16, 2013

Why is Anita Sarkeesian against hooker NPCs in video games though? Being a hooker is Good and Progressive and Empowering Women because hookers Take Control Of Their Sexuality.

# ? Aug 28, 2014 18:10

Vincent Van Goatse: Nov 8, 2006; Enjoy every sandwich.; Smellrose

FAROOQ posted:

mkes u tink

now this is a funny tweet

# ? Aug 28, 2014 18:11

a shiny rock: Nov 13, 2009

im the human being gamer that cares about any of this

# ? Aug 28, 2014 18:11

XK: Jul 9, 2001; Star Citizen is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it's fidelity when you look out your window or when you watch youtube

Azraelle posted:

I have not seen breaking bad

Non Breaking Bad watching newb.

Seriously though, go watch that as soon as possible.

# ? Aug 28, 2014 18:11

Cycloneman: Feb 1, 2009; ASK ME ABOUT
SISTER FUCKING

blainestereo posted:

Why is Anita Sarkeesian against hooker NPCs in video games though? Being a hooker is Good and Progressive and Empowering Women because hookers Take Control Of Their Sexuality.

Cool, what this thread for laughing at a pathological liar and 4chan getting into a slapfight really needed was a discussion of sex-positive versus sex-negative feminism.

# ? Aug 28, 2014 18:12

DoctorStrangelove: Jun 7, 2012; IT WOULD NOT BE DIFFICULT MEIN FUHRER!

ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:

now this is a funny tweet

I just noticed the #QUINNGHAZI

# ? Aug 28, 2014 18:12

Azraelle: Jan 13, 2008

blainestereo posted:

Why is Anita Sarkeesian against hooker NPCs in video games though? Being a hooker is Good and Progressive and Empowering Women because hookers Take Control Of Their Sexuality.

Interesting question, if you want we could have a multi-page discussion about feminism and prostitution here.

# ? Aug 28, 2014 18:13

01011001: Dec 26, 2012

Parallax Scroll posted:

im the human being gamer that cares about any of this

greetings, gaymer

# ? Aug 28, 2014 18:13

Spanish Manlove: Aug 31, 2008; HAILGAYSATAN

Azraelle posted:

Interesting question, if you want we could have a multi-page discussion about feminism and prostitution here.

Lol

# ? Aug 28, 2014 18:15

Azraelle: Jan 13, 2008

XK posted:

Non Breaking Bad watching newb.

Seriously though, go watch that as soon as possible.

Well, actually I lied like Anita claiming to be a Gamer, I've actually seen season one, and it seemed good but it was like 3-4 years ago. I have so much tv to catch up on.

# ? Aug 28, 2014 18:16

XK: Jul 9, 2001; Star Citizen is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it's fidelity when you look out your window or when you watch youtube

blainestereo posted:

Why is Anita Sarkeesian against hooker NPCs in video games though? Being a hooker is Good and Progressive and Empowering Women because hookers Take Control Of Their Sexuality.

This video game character is dressed too sexily. I don't like it. Change it.

I'm dressed too sexily and you don't like it? Stop oppressing me.

# ? Aug 28, 2014 18:17

AntifaSupersoldier: Jul 30, 2003; Reality is what you can get away with; Hell Gem

I would love to see a big brother type show with Anita, Zoe and other feminists and their daily conflicts with twitter harassment #TheStruggle

# ? Aug 28, 2014 18:18

Rabble: Dec 3, 2005; Pillbug

Wait wait wait, patreon is a website where you give someone a monthly payment for absolutely nothing??

What the gently caress

# ? Aug 28, 2014 18:18

Lightanchor: Nov 2, 2012

Having oppressed women in video games is good, because it draws your attention to oppression in the real world. Zelda and Peach are bad, because they are princesses and monarchy is bad.

# ? Aug 28, 2014 18:19

facialimpediment: Feb 11, 2005; as the world turns

Azraelle posted:

Interesting question, if you want we could have a multi-page discussion about feminism and prostitution here.

Mods would never allow it and delete all the posts!!! #quinnghazi

# ? Aug 28, 2014 18:19

BottledBodhisvata: Jul 26, 2013; by Lowtax

01011001 posted:

who can i donate to to get you to shut up about this awful sincere discussion of minorities in gaming poo poo

Lemme go set up a patreon

Lazyfire posted:

Diversity is bad now? I don't think it's a problem that you consult someone who doesn't play games on how to make your games less sexist or to approach female characters differently than the largely male staff of most video game companies would.

Diversity in and of itself isn't bad, but mandated diversity is kind of obnoxious. Like, you ever seen a PSA from the 90's or better yet, a driving instructional video for teens? You have one white kid, one black kid, one Asian kid, and one Other, usually two/two gender ratio split, and they all speak like 40 year olds tried to write for teenagers. That's like, diversity for the sake of diversity. It's stupid. It's like Captain Planet poo poo yo, South America got bullshit on. Heart isn't a loving super power, and the CIA set up fascist dictatorships infowars dot

Azraelle posted:

This is true, but even the latest Zelda Game still features more or less the exact same trope, with Zelda being relieved of agency in roughly the same way as in LTTP. There are definitely an increase in representation, and this is good, and this is why game devs usually have no problem with feminist critique, they recognise the problem, and as any good capitalist, they want to sell games to everyone. But kidnapped women is still very common, and I would agree with Anita that the twist is to make it darker and edgier, in a way that often makes the game suffer.

As a man, I am motivated by the concept of my girlfriend getting kidnapped and I gotta go save them. Is that so bad? You gotta motivate people somehow--either you kill some old gently caress who like raised you or you kidnap something that you may want to get down with the get down with, y'know? Those are your cliches. It's either Obi-Wan or Leia. You need a goal to go towards that has emotional meaning.

How do you motivate somebody to play your game? Everyone can understand the emotion of having someone you love get taken away from you. It's fundamental and basic to all human beings. I have absolutely no problem with having girls rescue guys, and I object only to the notion that the trope itself is fundamentally bad. I know a lot of girls who think being rescued by a dashing hero is still the definition of romantic. Are they wrong to think so?

# ? Aug 28, 2014 18:20

The Taint Reaper: Sep 4, 2012; by Shine

Are these the same people who are piledriving X-Seed's twitter because Zoe said so? Because X-Seed puts out some good games and not having them make games would be a net loss as a whole.

# ? Aug 28, 2014 18:21

Vincent Van Goatse: Nov 8, 2006; Enjoy every sandwich.; Smellrose

Spanish Manlove posted:

Also by my logic you should all hate Chris Roberts 14000 times more than sarkeesian. Get to it

already done

# ? Aug 28, 2014 18:21

Spanish Manlove: Aug 31, 2008; HAILGAYSATAN

BottledBodhisvata posted:

Lemme go set up a patreon

Diversity in and of itself isn't bad, but mandated diversity is kind of obnoxious. Like, you ever seen a PSA from the 90's or better yet, a driving instructional video for teens? You have one white kid, one black kid, one Asian kid, and one Other, usually two/two gender ratio split, and they all speak like 40 year olds tried to write for teenagers. That's like, diversity for the sake of diversity. It's stupid. It's like Captain Planet poo poo yo, South America got bullshit on. Heart isn't a loving super power, and the CIA set up fascist dictatorships infowars dot

As a man, I am motivated by the concept of my girlfriend getting kidnapped and I gotta go save them. Is that so bad? You gotta motivate people somehow--either you kill some old gently caress who like raised you or you kidnap something that you may want to get down with the get down with, y'know? Those are your cliches. It's either Obi-Wan or Leia. You need a goal to go towards that has emotional meaning.

How do you motivate somebody to play your game? Everyone can understand the emotion of having someone you love get taken away from you. It's fundamental and basic to all human beings. I have absolutely no problem with having girls rescue guys, and I object only to the notion that the trope itself is fundamentally bad. I know a lot of girls who think being rescued by a dashing hero is still the definition of romantic. Are they wrong to think so?

I have no idea why you are seriously talking about this on the not quite comedy forums.

# ? Aug 28, 2014 18:21

blainestereo: Jan 16, 2013

Azraelle posted:

Interesting question, if you want we could have a multi-page discussion about feminism and prostitution here.

Isn't it kinda exactly what this thread is about?

# ? Aug 28, 2014 18:22

XK: Jul 9, 2001; Star Citizen is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it's fidelity when you look out your window or when you watch youtube

Azraelle posted:

Well, actually I lied like Anita claiming to be a Gamer, I've actually seen season one, and it seemed good but it was like 3-4 years ago. I have so much tv to catch up on.

Breaking Bad should legitimately be your number one priority for catching up on out of any show from the past few years. Get to it.

# ? Aug 28, 2014 18:23

The Taint Reaper: Sep 4, 2012; by Shine

Diversity has taught me one thing, if you're the giant robot pilot in a wheelchair.....you're going to get the giant robot who uses treads or wheels instead of legs.

# ? Aug 28, 2014 18:23

BottledBodhisvata: Jul 26, 2013; by Lowtax

Spanish Manlove posted:

I have no idea why you are seriously talking about this on the not quite comedy forums.

I dunno, it's that weird downtime between porn and lunch.

# ? Aug 28, 2014 18:23

Spanish Manlove: Aug 31, 2008; HAILGAYSATAN

blainestereo posted:

Isn't it kinda exactly what this thread is about?

In a way, yes so hahahahahahahaha

# ? Aug 28, 2014 18:24

Vincent Van Goatse: Nov 8, 2006; Enjoy every sandwich.; Smellrose

blainestereo posted:

Why is Anita Sarkeesian against hooker NPCs in video games though? Being a hooker is Good and Progressive and Empowering Women because hookers Take Control Of Their Sexuality.

video game hookers are almost always obviously meant as the sex slaves or just kinky background decoration so people get that a game is "adult" and "grown up" because lots of video game writers are manchildren who think graphic violence and sex equals maturity

I can't think of a single "empowered woman in control of her sexuality" expensive call girl-type in a video game I've played

# ? Aug 28, 2014 18:24

Lightanchor: Nov 2, 2012

BottledBodhisvata posted:

How do you motivate somebody to play your game? Everyone can understand the emotion of having someone you love get taken away from you. It's fundamental and basic to all human beings. I have absolutely no problem with having girls rescue guys, and I object only to the notion that the trope itself is fundamentally bad. I know a lot of girls who think being rescued by a dashing hero is still the definition of romantic. Are they wrong to think so?

Have you heard of, like, Pacman

# ? Aug 28, 2014 18:25

BENGHAZI 2: Oct 13, 2007; by Cyrano4747

DoctorStrangelove posted:

$2 million?

hahahahahahahahahahahaha

The two million was just from the kickstarter.

# ? Aug 28, 2014 18:25

Lazyfire: Feb 4, 2006; God saves. Satan Invests

Rabble posted:

Wait wait wait, patreon is a website where you give someone a monthly payment for absolutely nothing??

What the gently caress

Well, you're supposed to tie payments to content creation. A blogger would get paid a set amount per article, or a YouTube person would get money for each video or something like that. Zoe Quinn decided that she deserved a salary from her Patreon and so just draws money from it every month because Reddit post and Tweets don't count as content.

BottledBodhisvata posted:

Diversity in and of itself isn't bad, but mandated diversity is kind of obnoxious. Like, you ever seen a PSA from the 90's or better yet, a driving instructional video for teens? You have one white kid, one black kid, one Asian kid, and one Other, usually two/two gender ratio split, and they all speak like 40 year olds tried to write for teenagers.

Yeah, I was a member of the Burger King Kids Club as well. Wheelchair kid was a scientist but they had a tree house. Very problematic.

# ? Aug 28, 2014 18:25

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# ? May 15, 2024 06:47

Vincent Van Goatse: Nov 8, 2006; Enjoy every sandwich.; Smellrose

also shut the gently caress up BottledBodhisvata you posted a D&D thread about how schools should teach karate and the like instead of science and math

# ? Aug 28, 2014 18:25

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