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Aug 28, 2014 18:01
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Combo posted:Yeah, I really don't think too much of Wright necessarily and I'm not exactly buying into the hype, I just need a person that's going to play and TE started flying off the shelves early in my draft. People grabbed backups way before I even grabbed my first.
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Aug 28, 2014 18:01
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After my top 3 picks ended up being busts last year (CJ Spiller, T.Richardson & Roddy White) I'm looking for redemption in my big money office league. 14-team .5 PPR 4-point Throwing TD. QB: Tony Romo RB: A. Peterson RB: Geo Bernard WR: Julio Jones WR: Torrey Smith Flex: Reggie Wayne TE: Kyle Rudolph D/ST: Ravens K: Dan Bailey B: Pierre Thomas B: Fred Jackson B: Terrence West B: Ahmad Bradshaw B: Andrew Hawkins IR: The only players I'm not happy with are Torrey Smith (J. Edelman was available, derp) and Ahmad Bradshaw. My question is: Josh Gordon's owner dropped him and John Brown is available... Should I take the risk of dropping someone and picking one of them up now or wait a little longer to see how my roster pans out?
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Aug 28, 2014 18:02
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Murmur Twin posted:Trade question! When you can only start 3 RBs in the first place, I don't know why you would trade your top pick for 2 more RBs so you now have 4 high(er) end RBs and can still only start 3? I mean unless you turned around and flipped like Martin for a top tier WR1, ehhhh. If you're going to trade Charles, target a top tier WR like Megatron/Thomas/Bryant/Green/Marshall (I'm probably forgetting one or two in there) and a mid-range RB. As it stands, even though you have great RBs, your WRs are probably going to lose you quite a few games unless the 49ers go pass happy, Hilton becomes Reggie Wayne, and Maclin is a more consistent DJax. Seems a lot to ask.
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Aug 28, 2014 18:05
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I'd rather have Torrey Smith than Edelman personally. I don't see anyone you should really drop for Gordon. Hawkins is your only bench receiver.
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Aug 28, 2014 18:06
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Combo posted:Yeah, I really don't think too much of Wright necessarily and I'm not exactly buying into the hype, I just need a person that's going to play and TE started flying off the shelves early in my draft. People grabbed backups way before I even grabbed my first. It'd be worth monitoring Seferian-Jenkins for a few weeks to see how he does especially now that Wright is gone.
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Aug 28, 2014 18:15
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Rapoport said yesterday on SC (I think, it was definitely on TV) that the Pats are actually quite high on Wright and are looking for him to be Hernandez-esque. -Could be Billy Fiveaces hurf-blurf; -Could be true but still be overly optimistic; -Even if true, could take several weeks to pan out; ...but it's definitely a good sign.
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Aug 28, 2014 18:21
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Why are people down on Torrey Smith? I try to get him every year
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Aug 28, 2014 18:27
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Bonham posted:Why are people down on Torrey Smith? I try to get him every year I don't know, he rules, and he should be great again this season.
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Aug 28, 2014 18:30
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Bonham posted:Why are people down on Torrey Smith? I try to get him every year Especially this year where he's going to be doing an Andre Johnson impression. I am all about taking him at his hilarious ADP.
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Aug 28, 2014 18:30
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Bonham posted:Why are people down on Torrey Smith? I try to get him every year He's not super valuable in PPR, he's basically a poor-man's VJax when it comes to boom/bust ratio with way more bust than boom, he's attached to one of the most underwhelming (not bad, just underwhelming) QBs in the league, on an above average defensive team. Edit: I mean at his ADP he's a great value and there's more than a few people ahead of/around him that I'd consider taking him over, but you just asked why people were down on him and thus the above listed reasons.
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Aug 28, 2014 18:31
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Yeah I'm not super high on Torrey Smith but at his ADP I do like him a lot, and I certainly like him more than Edelman.
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Aug 28, 2014 18:35
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kaynorr posted:Despite never having done it before, I find myself in this league which uses IDP and I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around it. Are there any good rules of thumb to putting together a decent defensive roster? I'm trying to avoid whatever the equivalent of drafting a first-round kicker or the like. Don't draft based on name recognition alone. It means the guy is likely too old.
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Aug 28, 2014 18:38
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Suave Fedora posted:Don't draft based on name recognition alone. It means the guy is likely too old. This. Also, tackles seem to rule all, so target lb's that pile up tackles. Bonus if you can get one that also defends passes and sacks the QB.
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Aug 28, 2014 18:41
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Yea 2 shares and counting of Smith myself. He's set to see a bunch of targets and going wayyyyyyyyy late in drafts
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Aug 28, 2014 18:41
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Deer_fire posted:He's not super valuable in PPR, he's basically a poor-man's VJax when it comes to boom/bust ratio with way more bust than boom, he's attached to one of the most underwhelming (not bad, just underwhelming) QBs in the league, on an above average defensive team. I think this is the year that Torrey makes the leap. I'm buying when I can.
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Aug 28, 2014 18:50
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RCarr posted:So I need to drop 4 players to fill my league's K/DEF/DP/DB slots. It's a 10 team, non-ppr, standard scoring keeper league. (3 starting WR slots though) Any advice? 
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Aug 28, 2014 19:06
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Combo posted:Yeah I'm not super high on Torrey Smith but at his ADP I do like him a lot, and I certainly like him more than Edelman. This. He's going at WR4 prices and he's got WR2 upside (or WR1 upside but on a game-to-game basis). He's basically going in rounds where you can draft him as a flex and you're dumb not to take him. He's head and shoulders above every WR going at his ADP. I try to get him whenever I can and I'm always mad when I don't.
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Aug 28, 2014 19:07
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Torrey Smith or Michael Floyd or Crabtree?
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Aug 28, 2014 19:14
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Kloaked00 posted:Torrey Smith or Michael Floyd or Crabtree? I would go Floyd > Smith > Crabtree
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Aug 28, 2014 19:18
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Shath Hole posted:I would go Floyd > Smith > Crabtree I agree, though ADP-wise Smith is probably the best WR value out there. Maybe Decker comes close. If I wanted to target some RBs and a TE (Graham or Gronk) early and leave WRs to the mid rounds, those two and Reggie Wayne make a rock solid trifecta of value WRs. Let some other chump start a tandem of SJax and Bishop Sankey.
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Aug 28, 2014 19:35
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Kloaked00 posted:Torrey Smith or Michael Floyd or Crabtree? On straight production I'd go Crabtree - Floyd - Smith, but Smith and to a lesser extent Floyd are better value picks. I'm high on crabtree this year, Kaepernick has yet to favor anyone else whens drab is on the field.
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Aug 28, 2014 19:39
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Franks Happy Place posted:I agree, though ADP-wise Smith is probably the best WR value out there. Maybe Decker comes close. Yeah, it really does seem like you can get some solid rear end WRs late moreso this year than in previous years I can remember, but if you sleep on RBs you are hosed.
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Aug 28, 2014 19:40
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Shath Hole posted:Yeah, it really does seem like you can get some solid rear end WRs late moreso this year than in previous years I can remember, but if you sleep on RBs you are hosed. There's some really good PPR flex-play bargains at RB super late but aside from maybe FJax the coffers are barren from rounds 6-10
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Aug 28, 2014 19:42
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So after many (probably too many) drafts, it looks like I should be able to get this for my final roster drafting from the 9/10th position tonight 1.9) Montee Ball/Marshawn Lynch 2.2) DeMarco Murray 3.9) Antonio Brown/Randal Cobb 4.2) Keenan Allen 5.9) Michael Floyd/Torrey Smith 6.2) Joique Bell 7.9) Mike Wallace/Marques Colston 8.2) Golden Tate/Reuben Randle 9.9) Greg Olsen/Jordan Reed 10.2) Jay Cutler 11.9) Bernard Pierce 12.2) Jeremy Hill 13.9) Andre Williams 14.2) Kelvin Benjamin 15.9) DST 16.2) Tucker/Hauschka/Dawson It feels like a solid roster to me. Any critiques before the real thing tonight?
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Aug 28, 2014 19:46
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Shath Hole posted:Yeah, it really does seem like you can get some solid rear end WRs late moreso this year than in previous years I can remember, but if you sleep on RBs you are hosed. It's always this way to start the year. And take a look at Smith's game-log from last year. In standard scoring he would have given you 2 100 yard games and 4 games above 10 points. Even then, only 1 of those games was like "wow Torrey Smith hurt me" but never like "welp I lost entirely because of Torrey Smith." I'm all for him at his ADP but calling him a "solid rear end WR" is way overkill for his past production. Obama Yo Mama posted:There's some really good PPR flex-play bargains at RB super late but aside from maybe FJax the coffers are barren from rounds 6-10 I mentioned it before but there's pretty consistently 2-4 RBs that go late that end up being super useful. FJax and Moreno were the two from last year off the top of my head. Mathews too but he went in the 5th in 12-teamers so I guess he doesn't fit that criteria.
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Aug 28, 2014 20:01
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Deer_fire posted:It's always this way to start the year. And take a look at Smith's game-log from last year. In standard scoring he would have given you 2 100 yard games and 4 games above 10 points. Even then, only 1 of those games was like "wow Torrey Smith hurt me" but never like "welp I lost entirely because of Torrey Smith." I'm all for him at his ADP but calling him a "solid rear end WR" is way overkill for his past production. Wasn't really singling Torrey out in my description. He isn't going to kill you week after week, but Megatron doesn't even do that. Like has been said, his value at where he is taken is very, very good.
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Aug 28, 2014 20:07
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Sigmund Bloom on twitter is telling everyone to pick up Cody Latimer. Saying he'll be used for RZ even with Welker on the field. Anyone else buying this?
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Aug 28, 2014 20:09
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Kloaked00 posted:So after many (probably too many) drafts, it looks like I should be able to get this for my final roster drafting from the 9/10th position tonight Close, the only thing I don't see happening as a possibility is the TEs. I think both of them will be gone by round 9.
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Aug 28, 2014 20:11
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Torrey Smith chat is reminding me how much I like the guy - I wanted him in the draft and juuuust barely got scooped on him. Here's my team compared to Smith's current owner - is there a worthwhile trade to put together? His RB depth is piss-poor, and he's thin at TE as well, so I might dangle Sankey for Smith, maybe throw in Ladarius Green for his...something, I dunno. 
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Aug 28, 2014 20:11
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Sankey for Torrey straight up. I'm really down on Sankey though, hopefully he's on the hype train.
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Aug 28, 2014 20:15
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keldegar posted:Sankey for Torrey straight up. I'm really down on Sankey though, hopefully he's on the hype train. Pancakes needs the RB and his opponent does not in any fashion. I don't see why that's a good trade. And frankly I don't see that Torrey is really helping his team all that much either.
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Aug 28, 2014 20:18
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Azhais posted:Pancakes needs the RB and his opponent does not in any fashion. I don't see why that's a good trade. And frankly I don't see that Torrey is really helping his team all that much either. You really think so? I went all-in on running backs in the early round to try and avoid exactly that situation - I don't have one of the top-5 demigods, but I did pick 10th. I think between Ball, Ellington, Jennings and Bell I can put up solid numbers. Sankey and Bradshaw are there just for the "Hey, what if Sankey proves them wrong? / Hey, what if TRich keeps sucking poo poo?" I think Smith would help my WR corps which is high-upside but has few proven guys.
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Aug 28, 2014 20:31
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keldegar posted:Sigmund Bloom on twitter is telling everyone to pick up Cody Latimer. Saying he'll be used for RZ even with Welker on the field. Anyone else buying this? Absolutely, this has quietly been known for the last week or two. He's like 6'2" and there's no Decker anymore. It'll be DT, Thomas, and Latimer in the RZ for passing plays. Even if he never sees the field otherwise, he'll have a Justin Hunter-type year (which hopefully means he'll take a step forward without anyone notincing and have a ridiculously low ADP next year) and that's worth the late/last round flyer or add if you've got the bench spot to see if he leapfroggs Caldwell at any point (he should if Fox isn't an assho...)
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Aug 28, 2014 20:34
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keldegar posted:Sankey for Torrey straight up. I'm really down on Sankey though, hopefully he's on the hype train. Is it PPR? If so, gently caress that, go Sankey and Cooper for Smith and Dunbar. Problem solved.
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Aug 28, 2014 20:36
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Faltese Malkin posted:If I'm trading Charles*, I have to get a legit WR 1 back. I would be looking at the team with Megatron, Bryant, or Marshall. Honestly though, I would wait a few weeks before doing any trades. There's no telling how the season will shake out (keep an eye on the waiver wire) and if your WR turn into a dumpster fire you can always move Charles then. Deer_fire posted:When you can only start 3 RBs in the first place, I don't know why you would trade your top pick for 2 more RBs so you now have 4 high(er) end RBs and can still only start 3? I mean unless you turned around and flipped like Martin for a top tier WR1, ehhhh. If you're going to trade Charles, target a top tier WR like Megatron/Thomas/Bryant/Green/Marshall (I'm probably forgetting one or two in there) and a mid-range RB. As it stands, even though you have great RBs, your WRs are probably going to lose you quite a few games unless the 49ers go pass happy, Hilton becomes Reggie Wayne, and Maclin is a more consistent DJax. Seems a lot to ask. Thanks, you guys! I trade alot, and I like to run things by this thread (and try to help others when I can) before I pull the trigger. I was looking at last year's thread and apparently at one point I was considering selling high on Josh Gordon to buy low on Steven Ridley. Talk about a bullet dodged! quote:I mean unless you turned around and flipped like Martin for a top tier WR1, ehhhh. So funny you say that. Last year this happened (I was LOSR):  right after week 6. The next game Martin got shelved for the season and Megatron went on to break receiving records (which Gordon, also on my team, later broke) and I never lost a game from there. Honestly, that might have been clouding my vision a bit when I asked that question.
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Aug 28, 2014 20:38
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Obama Yo Mama posted:There's some really good PPR flex-play bargains at RB super late but aside from maybe FJax the coffers are barren from rounds 6-10 I basically want nothing to do with the entire Chris Johnson/Vereen/SJax/Run DMC tier.
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Aug 28, 2014 20:42
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Zero_Grade posted:Tell me about it. After the first 20 or so (once like Gerhart/Gore are gone), I'll be looking at the available RB list and going "eh". Scroll some more, "eh...". Makes picking up a solid RB3 tough. Been aiming for value WR in those rounds (like Torrey Smith, who somehow falls to the 8th/9th every mock I do) and grab upside RB flyers late, like Chris Ivory-late. Vereen needs to get a bump out of that tier but you need to plan for injury accordingly. CJ?K isn't a bad RB3 if he falls a round or two but I don't like him at his ADP. Basically every mock I do I see Vereen in the end of the 5th and I have no interest, but I think he he makes it back around in the early 6th I'm all in, and he never does.
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Aug 28, 2014 20:43
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Obama Yo Mama posted:Absolutely, this has quietly been known for the last week or two. He's like 6'2" and there's no Decker anymore. It'll be DT, Thomas, and Latimer in the RZ for passing plays. Even if he never sees the field otherwise, he'll have a Justin Hunter-type year (which hopefully means he'll take a step forward without anyone notincing and have a ridiculously low ADP next year) and that's worth the late/last round flyer or add if you've got the bench spot to see if he leapfroggs Caldwell at any point (he should if Fox isn't an assho...) Pick 1 waiver wonder. Hakeem Nicks Dwayne Bowe Kenny Britt Reuben Randle Cody Latimer Baby Hawk Aaron Dobson John Brown Malcolm Floyd (Chargers) Robert Woods Brian Hartline Man, WR is deep in a 12-team league. So many fliers on waivers.
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Aug 28, 2014 20:43
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Pancakes by Mail posted:You really think so? I went all-in on running backs in the early round to try and avoid exactly that situation - I don't have one of the top-5 demigods, but I did pick 10th. I think between Ball, Ellington, Jennings and Bell I can put up solid numbers. Sankey and Bradshaw are there just for the "Hey, what if Sankey proves them wrong? / Hey, what if TRich keeps sucking poo poo?" I think Smith would help my WR corps which is high-upside but has few proven guys. I'm just looking at your bench. If you trade Sankey you're basically hoping that Trich fails in order to have any depth at all. If Trich suddenly plays well, you've got nobody outside those 4 you're starting if you get rid of Sankey. Obviously you can flex WRs or whatever, but I was just looking at the depth.
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Aug 28, 2014 20:48
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