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keldegar posted:Pick 1 waiver wonder. Latimer has upside, Hartline is always a under-appreciated PPR bench stud; lowest ceiling but highest floor, Nicks has potential if he can pull it together and has the best pedigree of anyone on there, Hawkins and Brown will get the snaps but one's the #1 in a poo poo offense and the other is buried in a good one, Dobson/Floyd/Woods have nothing substantial to offer, and Britt/Bowe are broken, Randle is a huge question mark, but the Giants will probably be mediocre for enough weeks that you can let him sit and watch him. I'd rank them: Tier 1: Nicks Latimer Hartline (if PPR) Tier 2: Hawkins Brown Randle Tier 3: Dobson Floyd Woods Bowe Britt If you need solid-yet-unspectacular depth, go Hartline. If you're looking for a lottery ticket, go Latimer/Nicks. If you go one of the latter two, definitely keep the other on speed-dial. Latimer is more likely to get dropped and re-added if he has a good game or two to start the season (probably just a touchdown looking by his usage), but if Nicks starts off the season well, it could be an indicator that he's back up to speed and should be ridden until he breaks down. I'd probably go with him. vvv e: I meant to say early 4th and late 5th. I'm always way more interested in Bell/Mathews/Jennings who are usually there. I drafted late in two 10-teamers and had the Vereen in 5th/6th debacle both times Teemu Pokemon fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Aug 28, 2014 |
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Obama Yo Mama posted:Basically every mock I do I see Vereen in the end of the 5th and I have no interest, but I think he he makes it back around in the early 6th I'm all in, and he never does. In any sort of PPR league, I would gladly take Vereen at that ADP.
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Aug 28, 2014 20:49
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Obama Yo Mama posted:Tier 1: I'd agree with these rankings except I would flip Randle and Nicks. Randle's team is a no-argument dumpster fire, but he is the tallest WR on a team with no good TE. Randle is going to get a LOT of garbage time Eli floaters and a lot of their RZ looks. On the other hand, Nicks is still the guy who got kicked off of the Giants for... Randle, actually. He's Miles Austin with a foot problem instead of lovely hamstrings. He's also the #3 WR on that team after Wayne and Hilton.
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Aug 28, 2014 21:01
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Obama Yo Mama posted:Absolutely, this has quietly been known for the last week or two. He's like 6'2" and there's no Decker anymore. It'll be DT, Thomas, and Latimer in the RZ for passing plays. Even if he never sees the field otherwise, he'll have a Justin Hunter-type year (which hopefully means he'll take a step forward without anyone notincing and have a ridiculously low ADP next year) and that's worth the late/last round flyer or add if you've got the bench spot to see if he leapfroggs Caldwell at any point (he should if Fox isn't an assho...) Hmmm....better to take a 14th round flier on Latimer or Kelvin Benjamin?
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Aug 28, 2014 21:06
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Kloaked00 posted:Hmmm....better to take a 14th round flier on Latimer or Kelvin Benjamin? Benjamin imo. He is the #1 WR on a team with horrendous WRs.
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Aug 28, 2014 21:08
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Kloaked00 posted:Hmmm....better to take a 14th round flier on Latimer or Kelvin Benjamin? I'd take Benjamin because of the lack of competition but you could probably flip a coin.
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Aug 28, 2014 21:08
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Kloaked00 posted:Hmmm....better to take a 14th round flier on Latimer or Kelvin Benjamin? Latimer might get some points, but ultimately still has DT hoovering up the lion's share (not that there isn't a lot to share with Peyton around). Benjamin isn't all that special, but look at Carolina's wideout situation and you'll see that he should be getting a lot of looks. It's not a massive difference, I think, but I'd feel better about Benjamin having the advantage, and he has upside if he and Cam really synergize.
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Obama Yo Mama posted:Tier 1: I am looking hard at Latimer, but I disagree that Dobson has nothing to offer. He's healthy now and is the Patriot's deep threat. There's value there. To me Nicks is as broken as Britt, while Britt is WR1, Nicks is WR3 as someone else said. Britt is also healthy, his issue is more that the Rams offense is not good and he has mental issues. Agree that Hartline has the highest floor, but it's only .5 PPR. This is my WR5 so I'm not sure if I should go with a reliable guy like Hartline or swing for the fences with Latimer, Dobson, or Britt.
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Aug 28, 2014 21:10
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keldegar posted:Agree that Hartline has the highest floor, but it's only .5 PPR. This is my WR5 so I'm not sure if I should go with a reliable guy like Hartline or swing for the fences with Latimer, Dobson, or Britt. A reliable WR5 is riding your bench almost every week (and possibly every week, really). I'd say take out a flyer on Latimer or some other long-shot, because then at least there's a chance you hit paydirt.
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Franks Happy Place posted:On the other hand, Nicks is still the guy who got kicked off of the Giants for... Randle, actually. He's Miles Austin with a foot problem instead of lovely hamstrings. He's also the #3 WR on that team after Wayne and Hilton. All things equal I'm betting the WR3 spot on the Colts produces just as well if not better than the WR1 spot on the Rams (do they even have a WR1? It's like 4 WR3s) or WR2 spot on the Giants. I know Nicks is a huge if to be healthy, but if he is, he'll outproduce Britt easily and probably will outproduce Randle over the course of a full season if the Giants don't right the ship quickly out of the gate and/or if Cruz plays a full season. As far as Dobson goes, there's just too many unspectacular guys after Gronk, Vereen, and Edleman. It's so cloudy. All of Dobson/LaFell/Thompkins/Wright are probably going to end up with 35-40 catches and cancel each other out for fantasy effectiveness. Wright is worth a flyer if the Patroits actually do like him because of the role they'll give him, but the only Patriots WR that I'll even sniff is Edleman in full-point PPR and not at his ADP. Teemu Pokemon fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Aug 28, 2014 |
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I think Nicks could wind up a flex by season's end. He's pretty talented when not hurt and Wayne is just about ready to fall off a cliff.
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JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:Wasn't able to grab Knile. Worth trading a decent starting back like Sankey? Well I didn't propose the trade per the advice of this thread. But now villain (The Dark Horse) proposed Knile + Stills for Sankey. That is obviously kind of poo poo, what would be a good counter offer (if any)?
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Pancakes by Mail posted:A reliable WR5 is riding your bench almost every week (and possibly every week, really). I'd say take out a flyer on Latimer or some other long-shot, because then at least there's a chance you hit paydirt. Then I think Britt and/or Dobson has the highest ceiling.
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keldegar posted:Then I think Britt and/or Dobson has the highest ceiling. I'm targeting Britt in my drafts. I still remember what he did a few years ago, so a late round pick on a guy with that kind of talent is well worth it.
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Drop Shonn Greene for Jonathan Stewart? This is my RB5.
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commish posted:I think this is the year that Torrey makes the leap. I'm buying when I can. I'm going to be the parade rainer and maintain that the one-trick pony will not exceed expectations this year. All he needs to do is clear out the field for those sweet, sweet Pitta TDs.
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Aug 28, 2014 21:25
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keldegar posted:Sigmund Bloom on twitter is telling everyone to pick up Cody Latimer. Saying he'll be used for RZ even with Welker on the field. Anyone else buying this? Over Orange Julius and DT? We'll see.
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Aug 28, 2014 21:27
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keldegar posted:Drop Shonn Greene for Jonathan Stewart? This is my RB5. JStew is infinitely more talented than Shonn Greene. DWill is old and starting to break down, and Cam won't be running much (at least at first) because of his bum ankle.
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Franks Happy Place posted:JStew is infinitely more talented than Shonn Greene. DWill is old and starting to break down, and Cam won't be running much (at least at first) because of his bum ankle. He is also made of glass. Is there an option to roster neither? I choose that option. 
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So I've seen a lot of discussion about Latimer, but what about Sanders?
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Franks Happy Place posted:JStew is infinitely more talented than Shonn Greene. DWill is old and starting to break down, and Cam won't be running much (at least at first) because of his bum ankle. Or take a flier on a PPR back like McCluster / Dunbar? .5 PPR. Looking for Woodhead / Sproles 2.0 heh.
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Suave Fedora posted:I'm going to be the parade rainer and maintain that the one-trick pony will not exceed expectations this year. All he needs to do is clear out the field for those sweet, sweet Pitta TDs. I'm all in on Torrey Smith, but this. Always this. Pitta is going to be so money this year please stay healthy  Suave Fedora posted:Over Orange Julius and DT? We'll see. Not over, in addition to. He'll be playing the Decker role as the WR on the other side of the field. Just like Justin Hunter last year, he might only get 15-30 catches, but 5 or 6 of them might be for scores. If Welker misses significant time and for once in his life Fox gets over his rookie aversion and realizes that Latimer is more talented than Caldwell, he could push for 50-60 grabs.
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keldegar posted:I am looking hard at Latimer, but I disagree that Dobson has nothing to offer. He's healthy now and is the Patriot's deep threat. There's value there. To me Nicks is as broken as Britt, while Britt is WR1, Nicks is WR3 as someone else said. Britt is also healthy, his issue is more that the Rams offense is not good and he has mental issues. I dunno - he apparently has a permanent screw in his foot, and hasn't been active since like March. He'd have to look pretty damned good today for me to take a flyer on him.
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Saddamnit posted:So I've seen a lot of discussion about Latimer, but what about Sanders? Sanders is an outside guy. He's smaller and faster. He'll make some plays for sure, but not a big RZ threat?
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Suave Fedora posted:This should help. Didn't get time to come back in and thank you last night, but both of your recommendations were helpful. Thanks! Ended up with (we have a weird roster fill situation, so you have to have 2 kickers and 2 D's): Cutler (kept) Flacco (drafted 7th round) Kaepernick (drafted with 3rd pick in 1st round) Eddie Lacy (kept) Demarco Murray (kept) Ben Tate (kept) Terrance West Demariyus Thomas (kept) Andre Johnson Wes Welker DeAndre Hopkins Riley Cooper Kyle Randolph Greg Olsen Dan Bailey Blair Walsh Carolina D Jets D Vikings ST Falcons ST Ether Frenzy fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Aug 28, 2014 |
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Shath Hole posted:He is also made of glass. Is there an option to roster neither? I choose that option. I could grab a handcuff, I guess. Rather take fliers than handcuff my non-elite RBs. (I have Martin, Stacy, and Bell). Bobby Rainey, Benny Cunningham. Blount is rostered.
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I got offered Frank Gore/Ben Tate for Lesean McCoy. My RB2 is Toby Gerhart which isn't fantastic but I think have 3 RB2's isn't good enough to make up for one elite RB. I had McCoy as my #1 player in the draft. I just don't trade much.
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^ Hell to the NOkeldegar posted:I could grab a handcuff, I guess. Rather take fliers than handcuff my non-elite RBs. (I have Martin, Stacy, and Bell). Bobby Rainey, Benny Cunningham. Blount is rostered. There is buzz around Cunningham, but yeah, I would take a flier over a handcuff over those three.
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Shath Hole posted:^ Hell to the NO Yeah I agree, I think dudes just trolling to see how naive the league is. We had 2 QB's go in the first round so it may work for him.
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Zeitgueist posted:I got offered Frank Gore/Ben Tate for Lesean McCoy. That offer is insulting.
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Zeitgueist posted:I got offered Frank Gore/Ben Tate for Lesean McCoy. Two 3rd tier players are never worth a top tier player. At any position. Ever. Hell, two 2nd tier players are rarely, if ever, worth a top tier player. He's trying to game you, tell him to shove it.
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Zeitgueist posted:I got offered Frank Gore/Ben Tate for Lesean McCoy. Counter-offer your kicker for his entire team.
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^^^ Also use this ideaObama Yo Mama posted:Two 3rd tier players are never worth a top tier player. At any position. Ever. Hell, two 2nd tier players are rarely, if ever, worth a top tier player. He's trying to game you, tell him to shove it. To go along with this, keep in mind that if you are the owner of McCoy/Charles/Peterson, you have all the bargaining chips. Do not accept anything unless it has at least a bonafide number 1 player coming back to your team(Megatron, Manning, etc...)
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Faltese Malkin posted:^^^ Also use this idea There's already a lot of trash talking going on so I just offered him a kicker and Jeremy Hill for Megatron Hah I hadn't noticed he had Megatron on his team either and was trying to get a 2nd top tier guy. quote:To go along with this, keep in mind that if you are the owner of McCoy/Charles/Peterson, you have all the bargaining chips. Do not accept anything unless it has at least a bonafide number 1 player coming back to your team(Megatron, Manning, etc...) Yeah that was my thought as well, it would have be 1st round caliber player + a decent lower string receiver/RB.
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Zeitgueist posted:There's already a lot of trash talking going on so I just offered him a kicker and Jeremy Hill for Megatron Congratulations, you now have a complete grasp of what it's like to trade in fantasy football.
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VDay posted:Congratulations, you now have a complete grasp of what it's like to trade in fantasy football. Trading in fantasy football is just the worst
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Zeitgueist posted:Yeah that was my thought as well, it would have be 1st round caliber player + a decent lower string receiver/RB. I would think about something like Johnson and Martin for Charles/McCoy/Forte/Peterson and I still probably wouldn't do it.
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Who's a better RB4, Lamar Miller or Bishop Sankey? Have JC, Ball and Vereen ahead of them. Looking for upside. edit: PPR Its Miller Time fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Aug 28, 2014 |
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Lamar in PPR, Sankey probably won't see the field as a starter until mid season.
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I guess Miller? I don't particularly like either. At Sankey's ADP, I'd rather take a WR and you can usually get Woodhead a half-to-full round later than Miller. I still don't know why more people aren't taking Dunbar. He's going at like 140 overall people.
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