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Nobody cares about local councillors or MEPs so they'll vote in any loving idiot (also less people in those so the die hard nutters get proportionally more votes) but they tend to treat voting for MPs as more 'serious' so you've got have a slick PR department and a really dedicated team of supporters to make any headway against the major parties. 1839: The first opium war kicks off, where the British defends its right to ruin other countries economies and health for the good of the British crown and capitalism. namesake fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Aug 29, 2014 |
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Kin posted:Just ask Jedit, a no voter who has differing opinions to mine, recently driven from the thread because of Pissflaps ruining it. I was not driven from anything. I left the ScotPol thread because I'm a member of the election staff and as such am legally obliged not to discuss my views on the referendum in public in the four weeks before the poll. Even if I had been, however, I would be capable of voicing my own complaints about it. In presuming to speak for me you are treating me like a child and worse, you are using me as a weapon. I will not so be used by you or by anyone else. Are we clear?
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Its the absolute lack of self awareness that scares me about this bloke http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/aug/26/the-establishment-uncovered-how-power-works-in-britain-elites-stranglehold Just look at him.
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ReV VAdAUL posted:
Except he's right. How about you answer him here rather than in that shite thread, hmm?
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gorki posted:I was watching Channel 4 news earlier and they were interviewing the person on the street ( A by-election rarely holds the balance of power in Westminster, so the common worries about the spoiler effect fall by the wayside. It hasn't happened much in recent years but during the 70s and 80s there were quite a few occasions were Nationalist parties picked up by-elections only to lose them again to Labour or the Liberals at the general. At the general the importance was keeping the Tories out.
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) in Clacton about their voting intentions. All the people they showed said they would definitely vote for a UKIP candidate at a by-election but wouldn't be so sure about voting for them at a general election. I'm still pretty new to English politics, and I'm wondering what the reasoning is behind this? Are by-elections just a bit of fun?
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General China posted:Its the absolute lack of self awareness that scares me about this bloke Literally no idea what you're talking about. The weird thing about left-wing commentators is that you're always either a hypocrite (because you're on the inside) or just jealous (because you're not).
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winegums posted:The weird thing about left-wing commentators is that you're always either a hypocrite (because you're on the inside) or just jealous (because you're not). Left will eat itself while being gleefully sucked dry by the neolibs etc.
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twoot posted:A by-election rarely holds the balance of power in Westminster, so the common worries about the spoiler effect fall by the wayside. Ah okay, thanks. Might look into running in a by-election as a protest candidate and see if i can set myself up for life by going mental on expenses for a few months if i get in. ThomasPaine posted:Don't hate on Owen I went to see a mate in Edinburgh in May and we went to a thing with Owen Jones and I was surprised that he had to put up with some heckling while he spoke. One of the hecklers appeared to be a really angry old-school communist and the others were all guys our age who were just plain being dicks and seemed to think themselves tortured intellectuals. I could say a hell of a lot more but it's probably not the place to make it personal. In terms of his writing and speaking though, I just assumed he was dumbing down for a broad audience?  gorki fucked around with this message at 02:40 on Aug 29, 2014 |
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gorki posted:Ah okay, thanks. Might look into running in a by-election as a protest candidate and see if i can set myself up for life by going mental on expenses for a few months if i get in. If you make this your platform I will vote for you. 'At least I'm honest' is what goes on the flyers.
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gorki posted:I went to see a mate in Edinburgh in May and we went to a thing with Owen Jones and I was surprised that he had to put up with some heckling while he spoke. One of the hecklers appeared to be a really angry old-school communist and the others were all guys our age who were just plain being dicks and seemed to think themselves tortured intellectuals. I could say a hell of a lot more but it's probably not the place to make it personal. In terms of his writing and speaking though, I just assumed he was dumbing down for a broad audience? He speaks plainly and doesn't overcomplicate things because stereotypical marxist arguments and terminology turn people right off. There are a lot more socialists than there are people who identify as such, so to his credit he's framing the debate in a way that is inclusive of everyone. I get really frustrated at a lot of old school communists because while I totally agree with them at heart they really do need to adapt and move on. Keep the ideology but frame it in a modern, accessible way because I can drat well guarantee you're getting zero votes if you don't. But please do say more about the hecklers if you're comfortable with it, I love getting angry at idiots.
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Probably the far-left's biggest problem is it's complete inability to look and sound like something newer than 1917. Every few years the fascists rebrand themselves, do a marketing push, and end up dragging the tories rightward on telly for everyone to see. Somehow I doubt the BNP or UKIP would have gotten this far if they were marching around with Nazi uniforms on. At least Owen Jones understands you don't get a tv appearance by trying to squeeze the words "dialectical materialism" into every conversation. Maybe we'd get some traction if our public face wasn't the CPGB-ML carrying huge fuckoff pictures of stalin everywhere.
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HorseLord posted:Probably the far-left's biggest problem is it's complete inability to look and sound like something newer than 1917. Every few years the fascists rebrand themselves, do a marketing push, and end up dragging the tories rightward on telly for everyone to see. Somehow I doubt the BNP or UKIP would have gotten this far if they were marching around with Nazi uniforms on. Yeah, you're spot on. Much though I love the aesthetic of the old hammer and sickle socialists it's very self-destructive. I always have to remember not to use 'bourgeois' outside of an academic context too, at least when I'm not talking to people I know are on the same wavelength.
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House prices rose by another 0.8% in August according to Nationwide: http://www.nationwide.co.uk/~/media/MainSite/documents/about/house-price-index/Aug_2014.pdf I continue to feel confident about the security of my £20.
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LemonDrizzle posted:House prices rose by another 0.8% in August according to Nationwide: http://www.nationwide.co.uk/~/media/MainSite/documents/about/house-price-index/Aug_2014.pdf I like this post out of context, because it implies you invested £20 in the housing market and are really smug about it
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KKKlean Energy posted:I like this post out of context, because it implies you invested £20 in the housing market and are really smug about it pls not to disrespect my expensive cardboard box dwelling, it's in a very good postcode and values are going up, up, up
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LemonDrizzle posted:House prices rose by another 0.8% in August according to Nationwide: http://www.nationwide.co.uk/~/media/MainSite/documents/about/house-price-index/Aug_2014.pdf I need to buy a house in the next few months because the place I've rented for the last forever is being sold due to the landlord dying (ALAB etc...), but I really don't think it's a good time to be buying, these rises month after month are utterly insane and gently caress knows my salary sure isn't keeping up. But needs must, so I fear I'm going to relive my parents' fun of the 90's housing crash, walking eyes open into a situation which may well leave me in stupid debt for the better part of a decade. Also having to spend a QUARTER-OF-A-MILLION POUNDS to get a bog-standard home is loopy (thank gently caress I live nowhere near London where that'd struggle to get me a nice room). I have no idea what I'd be doing about now if I was born 10 years later than I was; presumably still living with my parents. But yeah, everyone celebrate that house prices are going up! Woo! The country's fixed! Hooray for David Cameron and his chums! gently caress it all. Loonytoad Quack fucked around with this message at 09:40 on Aug 29, 2014 |
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I have every confidence that Labour will fix this housing crisis once and for all.
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LemonDrizzle posted:pls not to disrespect my expensive cardboard box dwelling, it's in a very good postcode and values are going up, up, up ObLigatory: Cardboard box? Luxury.
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Saki posted:I have every confidence that Labour will fix this housing crisis once and for all.
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Plavski posted:Can't you just rent somewhere else? I'm just a bit fed up that either option is a bust at the moment: dead money to a landlord and no stability vs. the ever increasing risk of a housing crash or interest rate hikes.
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Saki posted:I have every confidence that Labour will fix this housing crisis once and for all. Is this some sort of BUT LABOUR? I'd say there's a better chance of Labour fixing it than the Tories, but only because they might accidentally fix it. The Tories would never make that mistake.
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HorseLord posted:Maybe we'd get some traction if our public face wasn't the CPGB-ML carrying huge fuckoff pictures of stalin everywhere. While of course left wing groups make all sorts of mistakes and do bad things it is the framing of the media that is the main reason left wingers can't catch a break. Banker's actions that caused the global financial crisis were just as blatant and much more damaging than carrying a Stalin banner. However the media after a couple of years decided banker bashing was unfair and returned to bashing the poor, minorities and those on the left. Compare and contrast the murmurs about how the finance sector provides 50% of Tory funding with the multiple major stories about Trade Unions funding Labour over the past few years. I go back and forth on Owen Jones personally because he remains a member of the Labour Party but on balance he is working very hard to do some good. On the other hand, fascist rebranding, as Owen Jones pointed out in Chavs, is facilitated by the media because the middle and upper class people who work with in it believe that is what working class people are all like. They aren't actively promoting fascism but from their ignorance they perpetuate and reinforce fascist narratives. That economist article about working class whites posted a week or two ago is a blatant example of that.
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ThomasPaine posted:He speaks plainly and doesn't overcomplicate things because stereotypical marxist arguments and terminology turn people right off. There are a lot more socialists than there are people who identify as such, so to his credit he's framing the debate in a way that is inclusive of everyone. I get really frustrated at a lot of old school communists because while I totally agree with them at heart they really do need to adapt and move on. Keep the ideology but frame it in a modern, accessible way because I can drat well guarantee you're getting zero votes if you don't. he's not framing it in a new way. He's saying poo poo people have been saying for the last 10 years at least, and everybody's had a sense of it without it being explicitly stated since well before that. Explaining it "inclusively" is just code for talking down to people IMO. I have no idea how he gets paid for the most basic analysis when Aditya Chakrabortty is right across the page, making excellent, specific, plain points. Look at http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/may/18/-sp-truth-about-gentrification-how-woodberry-down-became-woodberry-park
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nuzak posted:I have no idea how he gets paid for the most basic analysis when Aditya Chakrabortty is right across the page, making excellent, specific, plain points. Look at http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/may/18/-sp-truth-about-gentrification-how-woodberry-down-became-woodberry-park After listening to the story, Piers Clanford, managing director of Berkeley Homes (Capital), says, “Well, I’d like to live in Mayfair.”
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I really liked this passagequote:From the Land Registry records, we see that Paul’s landlord lives near Changi airport in an ochre public housing block, in an area carpeted with other public blocks. No shame there: about 85% of all Singaporeans live in Housing and Development Board quarters, or HDBs for short. In the wealthy entrepot, interest rates are also bumping around record-low levels and property prices have taken off. because it so very carefully dodges the politics of how Singapore itself maintains the political equilibrium of its Housing and Development Board high-rises
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Terror threat level has increased because of scary muslims in iraq
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Phoon posted:Terror threat level has increased because of scary muslims in iraq A cynical plot to bump UKIP-chat off the news? I genuinely think so.
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ReV VAdAUL posted:While of course left wing groups make all sorts of mistakes and do bad things it is the framing of the media that is the main reason left wingers can't catch a break. Banker's actions that caused the global financial crisis were just as blatant and much more damaging than carrying a Stalin banner. However the media after a couple of years decided banker bashing was unfair and returned to bashing the poor, minorities and those on the left. Compare and contrast the murmurs about how the finance sector provides 50% of Tory funding with the multiple major stories about Trade Unions funding Labour over the past few years. To the average politically disinclined low-information voter, the former is one group apparently publicly celebrating "the bad man from history at school" who was "worse than hitler", whereas the latter is some complex stuff they're not paying attention to because it's boring. It's easy to guess which one is more readily going to swing public opinion towards the negative. This begins far before the media starts it's work. I reiterate: Griffin left his swastikas at home. Put the red star away before you poke someone's eye out on it.
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KKKlean Energy posted:A cynical plot to bump UKIP-chat off the news? If you want people to not pay attention to UKIP I'm not sure a news story about scary Muslims is the way to do it somehow
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HorseLord posted:I reiterate: Griffin left his swastikas at home. Put the red star away before you poke someone's eye out on it. Like the tories and their bullshit 'we care about the environment' tree, or the BNP and their crayon union flag heart. Basically, some poo poo like this:   fake edit: I can never see the new conservative party logo without thinking of this: 
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LemonDrizzle posted:Meanwhile in the UK, the Woolwich has recently announced that it is no longer willing to issue mortgages to people carrying unsecured debts that exceed their annual income. TBH I am surprised that they would give mortgages to people with that much unsecured debt anyway. I mean let's face it, if you're getting a mortgage at a minimum you should be earning around £25k (if you have a decent deposit saved up) depending where you are and frankly I wouldn't lend a tenner to someone who had £25,000 unsecured debt - if that exceeded their annual income or not. JFairfax fucked around with this message at 16:05 on Aug 29, 2014 |
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