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Apogee15 posted:I was replying to a post which implied that bringing peanut butter to school automatically kills people who have peanut allergies. Specifically this part "should 0.6% of the population just die?". I don't think not having peanut butter banned means I think those people should just die. But those rates are after peanut butter bans. How many children, if any, died in schools from allergies before bans became more common?
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Apogee15 posted:Should all of those be banned? Or is it only when some percentage of the population can have a reaction? What percentage is that? Where should it be banned? Just schools? What about airplanes or buses? If someone is severely affected or, as is often the case, dies because they weren't aware of an allergy, that's a legitimate case and not some "I was robbing his house and I slipped on his wet floor" lawsuit bullshit. And even if it wasn't, you gotta have some compassion. dijon du jour posted:Also what would even be the presidential equivalent of bacon toothpaste. Fur20 has a new favorite as of 04:18 on Aug 29, 2014 |
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Aug 29, 2014 04:16
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Jesus Christ people, have some loving sympathy for others. My right to have my stupid kid eat peanut butter is greater than the rights of other children to live!
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Aug 29, 2014 04:26
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A ton of people have no idea how bad food allergies can be. I'm sure most people have met someone who has a food allergy, but that doesn't mean they've met someone whose body goes haywire when they've touched a trace amount of peanut oil.
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Goosed it. posted:But those rates are after peanut butter bans. How many children, if any, died in schools from allergies before bans became more common? There's like one school district in Tennessee, and maybe some private schools, which has banned peanut butter as far as I know. I doubt it has had much of an impact on the overall numbers The White Dragon posted:In these cases, it's generally a local ban rather than something that gets enforced on a federal level. Airline doesn't wanna deal with the marginal chance of having someone die on a flight from peanut allergy? Time to stop serving peanuts. It's not some big conspiracy to accommodate those with allergies; it's people in positions of responsibility who don't want to deal with the repercussions of not preemptively addressing a potential (and, importantly, known) problem. I don't think it's some conspiracy, I just wouldn't agree with an outright ban on peanut butter in schools. Accommodations for those with allergies? Definitely. Not served in the school lunch? For sure that makes sense. Hell, I think it'd make sense for airlines to stop serving peanuts even, it's a tight enclosed space and it seems like it'd be pretty dangerous to someone with a deadly peanut allergy. Banning someone from bringing a PBJ sandwich to a school seems like unnecessary overkill. Even the AAAAI is against a PB ban. Apogee15 has a new favorite as of 04:49 on Aug 29, 2014 |
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Aug 29, 2014 04:47
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Apogee15 posted:Banning someone from bringing a PBJ sandwich to a school seems like unnecessary overkill. Or, you know, your kid can just wait until they are home until they eat their peanut butter, and not risk the lives of others.
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Aug 29, 2014 04:53
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Apogee15 posted:Banning someone from bringing a PBJ sandwich to a school seems like unnecessary overkill. Funny you should mention that because a PBJ sandwich could literally kill someone with a peanut allergy
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Aug 29, 2014 04:56
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kannonfodder posted:Or, you know, your kid can just wait until they are home until they eat their peanut butter, and not risk the lives of others. These kids should have an Epipen, though, because they could run into peanuts in the outside world at any time. Yeah, I'll quickly ask the people around me before opening a pack of peanuts, but beyond that, it's really the responsibility of the allergic person to safeguard their own life.
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Aug 29, 2014 04:57
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:These kids should have an Epipen, though, because they could run into peanuts in the outside world at any time. Yeah, I'll quickly ask the people around me before opening a pack of peanuts, but beyond that, it's really the responsibility of the allergic person to safeguard their own life. These bans generally go into effect when the allergy is so severe that being in the same room as peanuts can trigger it. It's done to protect literally children. Is peanut butter so important that it's worth risking the lives of children to have it for lunch?
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And what are those kids going to do for the rest of their lives? What if they're walking through a park and someone is eating a PB&J with their sweetheart? Do we then ban peanuts from public spaces as well? Should we just ban peanut butter from society altogether, perhaps start up a Ministry of Allergies to police the pantries of loyal citizens? 
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Aug 29, 2014 05:04
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Jesus fuckkkkk. Has a statistically significant portion of school children ever been killed by other students having peanuts on their person? I get food allergies, I've been in the service industry for 14 years. Luckily, now I mostly work in Michelin-starred places that know and take such things seriously but I have always gone above and beyond to know about allergens and cross-contamination, it's really important. But seriously? At some point if your allergy is that deadly with that small of a trigger, there's no way you can safely go to any public place... Restaurant, bakery, mall with a food court, office building, etc. it's impossible and ridiculous to expect everyone else to accommodate you.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:These kids should have an Epipen, though, because they could run into peanuts in the outside world at any time. Yeah, I'll quickly ask the people around me before opening a pack of peanuts, but beyond that, it's really the responsibility of the allergic person to safeguard their own life. I'd rather rely on the adults in charge to protect a child's life than the child itself. Kids are pretty dumb.
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Aug 29, 2014 05:04
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:These kids should have an Epipen, though, because they could run into peanuts in the outside world at any time. Yeah, I'll quickly ask the people around me before opening a pack of peanuts, but beyond that, it's really the responsibility of the allergic person to safeguard their own life. Yes, children with severe (hell, even mild) allergies should have an Epipen with them just in case. But why not just remove the risk of them setting off their allergies in the first place? It's not like peanut butter is some loving miracle food that millions need to eat daily to live. Just don't loving put peanut butter in a loving lunch bag, and the problems are solved.
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Aug 29, 2014 05:10
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Children with severe food allergies should eat in a different room than normals. That way we can still have PB&Js and they can not die.
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Aug 29, 2014 05:18
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Volcott posted:Children with severe food allergies should eat in a different room than normals. That way we can still have PB&Js and they can not die. Or we could allow them to socialize like normal children and ask that other children eat any of the thousands of other foods that aren't peanuts. There is also a concern that peanut butter lingering on a kid's breath can trigger a reaction, even after lunch time. Being a kid is hard. Being a kid with a severe food allergy is harder.
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Aug 29, 2014 05:37
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MAKE NO BABBYS posted:Jesus fuckkkkk. You're right, it is pretty ridiculous to expect all places to accommodate literally everyone with severe food allergies everywhere, all the time. But maybe a few schools here and there banning peanuts (or whatever) so that the child who goes there doesn't literally risk death by eating lunch with his friends isn't actually that huge of a deal.
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Aug 29, 2014 05:37
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Wow. Do the forums count as social media? Because I've for a whole page of complete idiots to post.
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Aug 29, 2014 05:49
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MAKE NO BABBYS posted:Jesus fuckkkkk. But as an adult you can avoid bakeries, restaurants that serve peanut products, etc. Kids can't avoid school. I have a severe peanut allergy. It didn't develop until I was an adult. Pot lucks with friends contain no peanuts. My friends don't want me to die. It's really pretty simple.
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Aug 29, 2014 06:03
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Who the gently caress is eating so much peanut butter that this is ever an issue? You know what you can do if your kid's school bans peanut butter sandwiches? Make them literally anything else in the world. Do peanuts have some weird cult status in the US that I haven't heard about? As far as I'm concerned they're the garbage nut you buy if you can't afford any other nut on the shelf and peanut butter is a terrible, garbage product for terrible, garbage people.
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Aug 29, 2014 06:08
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kazil posted:Or we could allow them to socialize like normal children and ask that other children eat any of the thousands of other foods that aren't peanuts. There is also a concern that peanut butter lingering on a kid's breath can trigger a reaction, even after lunch time. The post you're responding to is sarcastic. You can tell by the use of "normal" as a noun.
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First they came for the peanuts, and I said nothing, for I am not a peanuts
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Aug 29, 2014 06:22
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cyberia posted:Who the gently caress is eating so much peanut butter that this is ever an issue? You know what you can do if your kid's school bans peanut butter sandwiches? Make them literally anything else in the world. Do peanuts have some weird cult status in the US that I haven't heard about? As far as I'm concerned they're the garbage nut you buy if you can't afford any other nut on the shelf and peanut butter is a terrible, garbage product for terrible, garbage people.
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Aug 29, 2014 07:18
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Peanuts are one of the most nutrient-rich foods on the planet, more than any tree nut, and peanut butter is honestly the only protein some people can afford for their kids' lunches. For that reason, I can understand why people would oppose a ban, although I am not one of them. It's also extremely delicious and versatile and if you don't eat it for a non-allergy reason you're a animal.
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lidnsya posted:Peanuts are one of the most nutrient-rich foods on the planet, more than any tree nut, and peanut butter is honestly the only protein some people can afford for their kids' lunches. For that reason, I can understand why people would oppose a ban, although I am not one of them. They can eat it at home before/after school and not endanger other children.
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Aug 29, 2014 08:03
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I knew a kid in middle school who was was seriously allergic to tomatoes. Exposure to tomatoes or tomato products would put him in the hospital. The school didn't ban pizza.
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Chomp8645 posted:I knew a kid in middle school who was was seriously allergic to tomatoes. Exposure to tomatoes or tomato products would put him in the hospital. You know as well as I do that school lunch pizza doesn't have tomatoes in it.
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Aug 29, 2014 08:07
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Maybe if the kids had guns peanut allergy wouldn't be a problem?
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Aug 29, 2014 08:16
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here have some loving content Better get your rear end to MacArthur Park, dessert!
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Aug 29, 2014 08:20
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Weighing in as someone who has a nut allergy, some of you guys clearly have no idea how easy it is to contaminate surfaces after eating nuts. Oils and peanut butter can get on tables and door handles, especially when it's clumsy or mucky kids eating and not washing their hands. Since kids can't avoid school dining areas, a peanut ban to save kids lives makes perfect sense. They already have to learn to cope with nut allergies any time they go out, school should be allowed to be as safe as possible for them.
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Aug 29, 2014 08:23
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Serene Dragon posted:Weighing in as someone who has a nut allergy, some of you guys clearly have no idea how easy it is to contaminate surfaces after eating nuts. Oils and peanut butter can get on tables and door handles, especially when it's clumsy or mucky kids eating and not washing their hands. These goons have no experience around children (thankfully), you can't expect them to understand kids don't behave intelligently in emergency situations or are capable of understanding the consequences of their actions.
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Aug 29, 2014 08:28
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I unironically support this. Every time some shitbag attacks a woman for "ruining gaming culture" Steam, Xbox live, PSN and all the like go down for an hour. Since they are acting like giant children, they should be treated like giant children. No video games until you can treat women like humans!
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Aug 29, 2014 08:59
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Yeah, no. I paid for those videogames.
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Aug 29, 2014 09:19
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Yeah maybe don't punish the rest of the world for the actions of a few shitheads.
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Aug 29, 2014 09:33
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Oh no not my vidjogames Will the tyranny of the Matriarchy ever end?
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Aug 29, 2014 09:36
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Shbobdb posted:I'm always shocked when people are astoundingly ignorant on an issue yet still feel the need to speak up as though they understand the issue. Wouldn't it be better to ask to be educated or admit ignorance? Ok I'm asking How does a kid eating a peanut butter sandwich make 0,6% of population die
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ANIME MONSTROSITY posted:Ok I'm asking Don't be willfully dense. Or do, who cares gently caress it.
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Aug 29, 2014 09:39
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I'm not, maybe I just don't know about the existence of some peanut gas
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ANIME MONSTROSITY posted:Ok I'm asking Edit: there's been an ACTUAL example earlier of someone touching a table that has a tiny bit of food residue on it and the fucker had to be airlifted to safety.
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