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maffew buildings posted:Was it Jason Chambers that said it? He has a history of not wanting to get stopped early before a conclusive finish though I think it was Franklin
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The cool opera singer shouting the names ala Pride is always nice to hear getting work.
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willie_dee posted:The cool opera singer shouting the names ala Pride is always nice to hear getting work. thats lenne hardt, respect
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Lol 2 one sided title fights in a row, cool
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Aoki is the king of the b-leagues. He'd proooobably be depressing in the UFC, but it's fun watching him style all over UFC washouts.
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Alright so Good job Funky Ben + Jadalamba + Aoki + Roger Huerta + McSweeney Legacy FC tonight on AXS.tv at 10 EST featuring Jonathan Brookins
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That was as one-sided as most ONE FC cards, but still fun. Probably the least disastrous attempt to have 3 title fights on one night in MMA history.
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Food Court Druid posted:That was as one-sided as most ONE FC cards, but still fun. Probably the least disastrous attempt to have 3 title fights on one night in MMA history. yea, i thoroughly enjoyed that card
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colonel_korn posted:Shalorus has got this in the bag Shalorus is a wrestler only in the absolute broadest sense.
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Shalorus has claimed to be a world class wrestler for his entire career despite demonstrating it basically never. It's not even the ol' Jorge Gurgel thing of "why isn't this dude grappling, isn't that what he's good at?" but more so that literally his MMA wrestling talent level has never matched up with whatever supposed pedigree he's got.
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attackmole posted:Shalorus has claimed to be a world class wrestler for his entire career despite demonstrating it basically never. It's not even the ol' Jorge Gurgel thing of "why isn't this dude grappling, isn't that what he's good at?" but more so that literally his MMA wrestling talent level has never matched up with whatever supposed pedigree he's got. Promoters love guys like that because it lets them say "man, this dude was that good, look at these unverified credentials, and our guy just RAGDOLLED him".
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Is it that or is it more cuz there's a difference between Greco/Freestyle wrestling and applying said wrestling to MMA?
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In case there's any OneFC scouts in this thread I wrestled from 1980-1985 for the CIA, they will deny it but that's SOP. I was 300-0 and many within "the company" as we call it credit me with ending the cold war.
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also here is the schedule for the rest of the weekend http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/thread/2359299/This-Week-in-MMACombat-Sports---Aug-29th---31st
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Yuriy posted:Is it that or is it more cuz there's a difference between Greco/Freestyle wrestling and applying said wrestling to MMA? Two things - A) Folkstyle wrestling is much more applicable to mma and submission grappling groundwork than freestyle and greco, which is why almost all the mma wrestlers known for their groundwork are americans who did folkstyle for years and years before getting into greco/freestyle B) Shalorus exaggerates the gently caress out of his actual freestyle accomplishments, which consist mostly of placing 8th in a UK Olympic qualifier. Which means he barely made the top 10 of the best wrestlers in England.
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shalorus is a notorious liar, to the point where people were questioning whether or not he was actually kamal shalorus
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david carmichael posted:shalorus is a notorious liar, to the point where people were questioning whether or not he was actually kamal shalorus His dead older brother was Kamal Shalorus.
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fatherdog posted:
To put this into context, I was entered into a some what known submission grappling tournament in the southwest UK, won a total of 0 times and was awarded a gold medal in the 125lbs division, I was ranked in the top 10 for almost 3 years.
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I'm pretty sure Kamal Shalorus is the guy that made up his birth date because he doesn't know it. Also, 
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canoshiz posted:I'm pretty sure Kamal Shalorus is the guy that made up his birth date because he doesn't know it. hahahahaha
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fatherdog posted:A) Folkstyle wrestling is much more applicable to mma and submission grappling groundwork than freestyle and greco, which is why almost all the mma wrestlers known for their groundwork are americans who did folkstyle for years and years before getting into greco/freestyle To expand on this (because it's something I often allude to without actually explaining, which is a bad habit) the reasons for this are twofold, both of which are based on the scoring systems - 1) in Freestyle/Greco, points for takedowns are scored escalatingly based on the amplitude and landing. So a takedown that barely gets your opponent down on all fours gets one point, and a bigger cleaner takedown gets 3, and a huge suplex gets 5. Whereas in folkstyle, all takedowns are two points, so a dirty double that just barely gets your opponent on the mat scores exactly the same as spinning your opponent on your finger and slamming him on the mat while you whistle "Sweet Georgia Brown". So Freestyle/Greco incentivizes lengthy handfighting to set up a big throw, whereas folkstyle incentivizes bulldogging your opponent to the mat by any means necessary. Since pure grappling handfighting and setups often aren't applicable in mma and for the most part nobody gives a poo poo how you get your opponent on the mat as long as you get him there and keep him there, the skills involved with folkstyle are much more directly applicable to mma. 2) Par terre rules - once you hit the mat in Freestyle/Greco, if the action "stalls" for more than like 20 seconds the referee restarts it on the feet. In folkstyle, on the other hand, you get points for riding time (keeping top control on your opponent for a certain length of time) and for escapes (getting out from under your opponent). So Freestyle/Greco incentivizes flattening out and stalling as soon as you get taken down, whereas Folkstyle incentivizes fighting as hard as possible to get back to your feet and escaping (and, conversely, maintaining control of your opponent after a takedown). The latter rather obviously develops much more useful skills for mma. This is why just about 99% of the freestyle/greco wrestlers that have successfully adapted their wrestling to mma are guys with extensive folkstyle experience, the only notable exceptions being Sakuraba (who is an outlier in nearly every possible respect) and Miyata.
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Congrats Yuriy for showing up in my twitter feed being retweeted by lenne.
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fatherdog posted:To expand on this (because it's something I often allude to without actually explaining, which is a bad habit) the reasons for this are twofold, both of which are based on the scoring systems -
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canoshiz posted:I'm pretty sure Kamal Shalorus is the guy that made up his birth date because he doesn't know it. 
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and while sakrabab was a decent freestyle guy with a good single leg, we can all agree that his main success was due to his training in the One True form of wrestling: professional
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david carmichael posted:i mostly agree but also: yoel romero. Considering he spends 50% of his matches striking and 49% of his matches dancing, I'm not sure he counts as "successfully adapted their wrestling to mma", but nonetheless I will add him as an exception.
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fatherdog posted:Considering he spends 50% of his matches striking and 49% of his matches dancing, I'm not sure he counts as "successfully adapted their wrestling to mma", but nonetheless I will add him as an exception. The remaining 1% is spent making GBS threads, I assume.
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TheReverend posted:Congrats Yuriy for showing up in my twitter feed being retweeted by lenne. I can't remember who it was here but the last time Kelvin Gastelum missed weight I was confused on why I was seeing a reply exchange underneath his tweet saying he was sorry. It was some guy who made a joke at him about loving buffets or some poo poo, then Gastelum saying "Thanks, like I don't feel bad enough right now", and then the guy saying sorry because he didn't think he'd actually see it. Then I realized it was because it was a goon I was following hahahahahhaa.
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Also, re: exceptions, before someone brings them up - Vladimir Matyushenko went to junior college in the US after he emigrated and competed extensively in folkstyle before he started in mma Kid Yamamoto grew up in the US and was an Arizona state champ in folkstyle before he went back to Japan and competed in freestyle
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fatherdog posted:
Kid is also not good at fighting and built his reputation wrestling the poo poo out of Japanese dudes mostly.
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Gregor Samsa posted:Kid is also not good at fighting and built his reputation wrestling the poo poo out of Japanese dudes mostly. Same is true of Miyata, but I was being as generous as possible.
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fatherdog posted:Same is true of Miyata, but I was being as generous as possible. Reza Madadi managed to do pretty well, with a base in greco and freestyle. Too bad he is also a tremendous idiot. I was also going to mention Ilir Latifi, but I guess that can wait until he beats anyone who's actually decent.
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david carmichael posted:i mostly agree but also: yoel romero. Romero's MMA wrestling accomplishments are all high amplitude takedowns that resulted in essentially no top control, so exactly what you'd expect from a freestyle guy. 
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king mo is fighting dustin jacoby on sep 5th
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Legacy Fighting Championships on AXS.tv will be going live at the top of the hour (10 PM EST) Link forthcoming or just pop into #mma
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we are live http://www.vipleague.se/boxing/246158/1/legacy-fc-34:-hall-vs-souza-live-stream-online.html edit: weird rule "12 to 6 elbows are legal when both opponents are standing"
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Troxartas posted:There's a pretty good/sloppy fight going on now that stoppage was retardedly late
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JT's baby is 5 weeks early... he's in hospital with his Mrs's now and the UFC tweets him... what timing.
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