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Je suis fatigue posted:I decided to watch season 1 and 2 of Korra today and man is season 2 a real stinker. The pro bending in season 1 is basically filler but it's at least an interesting idea and a little bit exciting, it's also an interest for Korra so she has a little bit of personality. I agree in that the writers seemed to forget what made TLA successful. It was a refreshing and surprisingly mature take on the Hero's Journey genre, especially for a story featured on a channel like Nickelodeon. We've all seen the story before (It's basically Star Wars, after all) but it often surprises viewers with its examination of the consequences of war while going to lengths to humanize all sides of the conflict. You don't see that a lot in media aimed at young demographics. Then the creators go hog wild in S1&2 in Korra with simplistic, cliche genre fiction. Overwrought teenager soap opera romance? Check. A sports story about banding together despite your differences to win the big game? Yes. A revolutionary plot line with shallow, glossed-over motivations for the rebels? Check. A forced, dragged-out abusive relationship played for laughs that didn't go anywhere? Sure, we got it. A cliche-as-gently caress police procedural? You better believe we're devoting screen time to that. I'm really glad they went back to an adventure story against a global threat for Book 3. This genre plays to the strengths of the setting and the strengths of the writers.
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Different people read things differently. No need to label them, you're just being an jerk when you do that. It can go either way, as far as I'm concerned. I'm all for cartoons to be more inclusive. It's already pretty awesome that Korra is a woman of color and is the leading lady of the show, so if they can go further then that'll be pretty rad. So I'd lay off calling people creepers or weirdos for reading into things because they happen to want a group of people to be represented in a cartoon they really like. Ninja edit: Not talking to you blurry!. Just in general, I noticed people who read into something often get labeled as a weirdo instead of having civil discourse and it's pretty gross.
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Spergatory posted:Are you serious with that queer-baiting accusation? Like two people of the same sex can't even touch each other without it being some queer-baiting conspiracy now? The point was that is almost always a sign of a romance starting in media with men and women, but it's not a queer relationship until you see clothes coming (then it might be a drunken mistake!)3
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Aug 30, 2014 16:32
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Pomp posted:The point was that is almost always a sign of a romance starting in media with men and women, but it's not a queer relationship until you see clothes coming (then it might be a drunken mistake!)3 True, a man lays a hand on a woman's and its 'omg der in luvvvv' But a woman lays a hand on another woman 'just friends'. They've played it well in the show, they could be friends they could be more but i'm not holding out hope for the more. I want it but its not going to happen.
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I'm against Korrasami PRECISELY because it would feel like the producers are trying to say 'Hey! Look, we're cool, we're hip. We've got them same-sex relationships covered - aren't you in awe of how modern and LGBT-friendly this show is?'. I don't like artificial pandering. If you want to depict same-sex relationship, loving go for it, but be sure you do it because this is what feels natural for these characters and not because you want to appease to your fans.
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PiedPiper posted:I'm against Korrasami PRECISELY because it would feel like the producers are trying to say 'Hey! Look, we're cool, we're hip. We've got them same-sex relationships covered - aren't you in awe of how modern and LGBT-friendly this show is?'. I don't like artificial pandering. If you want to depict same-sex relationship, loving go for it, but be sure you do it because this is what feels natural for these characters and not because you want to appease to your fans. You could say this for any kind of same-sex relationship then. "They're just doing it because they want to be a LGBT-friendly show!" Most gay men and women don't automatically know they are gay. It's a slow journey of discovery and by the time they realize it most already had relationships with the opposite gender, even had sex. Either because they were confused about their sexual identity or they gave in to what is considered normal by society. Either way, they do have angles on the whole thing and it certain wouldn't look like pandering. Also, being inclusive is rarely pandering since you're representing a minority that doesn't get much exposure. What you are doing is like saying, before Legend of Korra came out, that they're just making the main character of the next Avatar show a woman and a person of color, at that, because they want to check off a box in the political correctness inclusive checklist. I can see where you are coming from but it really doesn't apply here. Edit: I just want to point out that I'm just arguing against this kind of logic and not making a case for why a relationship should happen. Jimbot fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Aug 30, 2014 |
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Pomp posted:The point was that is almost always a sign of a romance starting in media with men and women, but it's not a queer relationship until you see clothes coming (then it might be a drunken mistake!)3 This is exactly my point, if their interactions were between two opposite sex people it would be unambiguously interpreted as romantic.
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Aug 30, 2014 17:01
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SnowQueen posted:I want it but its not going to happen.
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Jackard posted:Why would you want more after the first two seasons?
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Jackard posted:Why would you want this after the first two seasons? Because the third one was good, not grate but good and I lost interest in the second season after 3 episodes and only read a summery of the rest. If they do a love triangle crap again i'm just going to drop it.
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Spergatory posted:Are you serious with that queer-baiting accusation? Like two people of the same sex can't even touch each other without it being some queer-baiting conspiracy now? I'd agree with you, but the creators have said before that they enjoy shipping and shippers, and they seem very attuned with how certain things will be received by that group of fans. So, yeah, I think when they had Asami say "I want you to know I am here for you in case you ever want to talk...or anything" they were hoping that the Korrasami crowd would run with it, while everyone else would see it as a gesture of kindness from a caring friend.
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SnowQueen posted:Because the third one was good, not grate but good and I lost interest in the second season after 3 episodes and only read a summery of the rest. If they do a love triangle crap again i'm just going to drop it.
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Jackard posted:I mean, it's clearly not their strong point. You're asking for trouble. No it's not, which is why i have a friend watch it first and them tell me if its worth watching. I didn't watch this season as soon as it aired, its track record was bad enough I let my friend do it first. He said it was worth the watch so I did.
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Jimbot posted:Also, being inclusive is rarely pandering since you're representing a minority that doesn't get much exposure. What you are doing is like saying, before Legend of Korra came out, that they're just making the main character of the next Avatar show a woman and a person of color, at that, because they want to check off a box in the political correctness inclusive checklist. I can see where you are coming from but it really doesn't apply here. It's like making Superman gay all of a sudden, after 80 years worth of comic books having no indication of it. Being inclusive is great but being honest to your characters and your fans is better.
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RyuujinBlueZ posted:Goodbye Legend of Korra thread. You were good, for a while, but now you have gone to a dark place. May Deadpool bring you the peace you seek.
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PiedPiper posted:See, if they'd introduced Korra as bisexual or lesbian from the start or given some indications of it, I would think 'Well, maybe they will do something interesting about it'. I wouldn't be opposed to it, I'd be willing to give it a chance. BUT introducing LGBT theme after THREE whole seasons in what I assume will be the last season is entirely out of place. This is not a change that is required to drive the plot or the character arc, it is the change that some marginal percent of fandom is dreaming about, that's all. It's why I talked about gender identity in the same post. It wouldn't be as radical as you think it would, these things just come out of no where from some people. Like opinions and worldviews, it varies between different people and the respond to it in different ways. It's kind of funny since part of this season was Change and people dealing with it. None of those people had any hints of being an airbender then, all of a sudden, they're airbenders.
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SnowQueen posted:Because the third one was good, not grate but good and I lost interest in the second season after 3 episodes and only read a summery of the rest. If they do a love triangle crap again i'm just going to drop it. A relationship doesn't need a love triangle, or even a large focus. I mean, I don't trust these writers to respect that, but it doesn't mean immediate lovely mako bullshit. PiedPiper posted:See, if they'd introduced Korra as bisexual or lesbian from the start or given some indications of it, I would think 'Well, maybe they will do something interesting about it'. I wouldn't be opposed to it, I'd be willing to give it a chance. BUT introducing LGBT theme after THREE whole seasons in what I assume will be the last season is entirely out of place. This is not a change that is required to drive the plot or the character arc, it is the change that some marginal percent of fandom is dreaming about, that's all. I...I don't think you know how bisexuality works.
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PiedPiper posted:See, if they'd introduced Korra as bisexual or lesbian from the start or given some indications of it, I would think 'Well, maybe they will do something interesting about it'. I wouldn't be opposed to it, I'd be willing to give it a chance. BUT introducing LGBT theme after THREE whole seasons in what I assume will be the last season is entirely out of place. This is not a change that is required to drive the plot or the character arc, it is the change that some marginal percent of fandom is dreaming about, that's all. LoK's a coming of age story. It's not at all uncommon for someone Korra's age to realize they're gay or bi at that point. Plus, Korra's had 3 seasons; that is in no way 80 years worth of comic backstory. LoK also had enough of an issue getting to air with just a female lead. If they intend for her to be bi/gay, there's no way Nick was going to let them do that in the first season. Nick is a lot more likely to let it happen in the last season if they decide to go that way. It's still a long shot. I'd guess that if LoK does a gay relationship, it'll be between two secondary characters instead of the leads.
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MrAristocrates posted:You fuckers never learn, do you? There's no way this would end well with these writers, but we can dream. The most authentic feeling relationships, platonic and otherwise, in this show are the ones that the writers barely have had any time to explore. 
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The more I read this thread the more I want Korra and Asami to get together in season 4.
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Every three weeks, this thread goes through this really creepy phase of 30+ year old men talking about the relationships and sexual tension of a children's show. If this thread was about spongebob, which is broadcasted on the same channel, would you talk about whether the sponge will ever get into Sandy's cheeks? I hesitate to know the answer. Please stop talking about this. There are no lgbt themes, no queer-whatevers. This is Nickelodeon. All of you are just awkward man-children.
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Korra/Asami would be neat if they went for it (or if Nick had the balls to let them go through with it), but since there is a roughly 0% chance of that, I don't see much point in speculating about the execution of it? Like there are various places for that kind of thing and they ain't here. The platonic friendship they have is cool and a very healthy and rare thing to see in a kids' show, particularly with female characters. I am happy either way.
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Pomp posted:I...I don't think you know how bisexuality works.
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Ravane posted:Every three weeks, this thread goes through this really creepy phase of 30+ year old men talking about the relationships and sexual tension of a children's show.
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Ravane posted:Every three weeks, this thread goes through this really creepy phase of 30+ year old men talking about the relationships and sexual tension of a children's show. Like, I get it, they're teenagers, but so is everyone else on Nickelodeon. Is a sponge graphically loving a squirrel really comparable to a romantic relationship between two teenage girls? You act as though the only reason two women would be together in a TV show is for fetish appeal for the male audience, and that's a pretty hosed up message to send to actual LGBT youth, that their sexualities are purely for fanfiction pairings and tumblr porn.
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The best gay relationship is on Brooklyn Nine Nine because it's not a Thing it's just a part of the character. Anyway I have no idea who the antagonists will be for S4. I'd be cool with lots of small mini villains like the Air Bison poachers in S3. Those guys were the worst.
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Ravane posted:Every three weeks, this thread goes through this really creepy phase of 30+ year old men talking about the relationships and sexual tension of a children's show. Have you considered that maybe it'd be nice for lgbt teens to grow up with things that acknowledge they loving exist and aren't weirdos? You know, like straight people get.
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Not sure I understand all the pearl-clutching when the thread starts discussing characters' romantic relationships, something that has always been a significant part of ATLA and Korra. When it starts getting in rule 34 territory, then you can talk about destroying the thread and salting the earth.
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Well wrap it up ya'll, all this girly romance discussion is giving goons cooties.
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Legend of Korra Book 4: There's No Gays In Nick Sing Se
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Wildeyes posted:Not sure I understand all the pearl-clutching when the thread starts discussing characters' romantic relationships, something that has always been a significant part of ATLA and Korra. When it starts getting in rule 34 territory, then you can talk about destroying the thread and salting the earth. SA generally disapproves of fanfic or fanficcy things, and people are especially paranoid because of the bad relationship drama that so characterized the first two seasons. I think TLA had basically the right amount of romantic content. There was one central relationship (Aang/Katara) that was pretty much preordained, but was treated organically enough that it didn't really get in the way of anything or drag things down, often taking a backseat to other types of interaction between the two. The rest of the romantic content is generally light and humorous, often serving a clear and tangible purpose in a character's arc. Sokka/Suki, for instance, both humbled Sokka and helped show his maturation process. Similarly, Katara/Jet was a useful growth experience for Katara. You don't really get that sense of character growth from LoK's romantic melodrama, at least until this most recent season, where the series showcases the friendship that Korra and Asami built despite their initial romantic rivalry and they are able to have a good time making Mako feel awkward. tl;dr: the amount of time dedicated to various "Mako is bad at girls" plotlines put people off in a big way. X_Toad posted:I just noticed something about Ghazan, is it just me or does he use his elbows a lot when bending, at least a lot more than any other earthbenders? Could this be a part of lavabending or is it just his personal style? if the "lavabending comes from mixed fire nation/earth nation heritage and technique" hypothesis is correct, then it could be a visual representation of that, with the greater upper-body focus that firebending usually has compared to earthbending. PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Aug 30, 2014 |
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PupsOfWar posted:There was one central relationship (Aang/Katara) that was basically preordained Maybe I wasn't paying attention as much as I should have, but I the way I remember it, Aang and Katara pretty much just declared their undying love for each other and kissed out of nowhere in like the final episode of the series.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:I've tried to stay out of this whole thing so far, but isn't that right there really hosed up? Isn't that like saying however many years ago "This is Disney, there are no interracial couples"? I'm not arguing against lgbt in a kids show, I'm telling you guys that there isn't one between Korra and Asami. They are friends, and you guys are turning it into your own personal sexual fanfiction. Pomp posted:Have you considered that maybe it'd be nice for lgbt teens to grow up with things that acknowledge they loving exist and aren't weirdos? You know what, gently caress the gays. I don't give a poo poo. There's this saying, that a guy and a girl can't be friends. That if a guy and a girl are chilling together, that they are together. Now, you and I both know that this is untrue. That a guy and a girl absolutely can be friends, and not lead to a relationship. The former statement just gives rise to misogyny and all that friendzone bullshit. Now Korra and Asami are just friends. You guys are forcing the former statement to apply to your lgbt children's cartoon fantasies. But the fact is that they're not going to be in a relationship, and it is really creepy that you're all considering it. There has been no indication that Korra and Asami are even remotely attracted to each other. And if there was, I wouldn't be saying this. If you want to rule 34 this thread, go ahead. But gently caress you and gently caress this thread.
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Mymla posted:Maybe I wasn't paying attention as much as I should have, but I the way I remember it, Aang and Katara pretty much just declared their undying love for each other and kissed out of nowhere in like the final episode of the series. developing a huge crush on Katara was practically the first thing Aang did after he got un-thawed, and this came up several other times throughout the series. On Katara's end, the whole "you're meant to be together!" thing was reinforced a few times. it was always ~there~, it just looked like a regular friendship most of the time because the participants were literal children and years away from romancing anybody. Which made sense and was good.
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Mymla posted:Maybe I wasn't paying attention as much as I should have, but I the way I remember it, Aang and Katara pretty much just declared their undying love for each other and kissed out of nowhere in like the final episode of the series. Go rewatch The Fortuneteller, Cave of Two Lovers...
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