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MiddleEastBeast posted:Can't stop watching that video of the fetches being revealed at PAX. What a cool moment :] Could someone link me to this please?
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Gensuki posted:Is the clash pack at this point cheaper than the parts you get from it? If you get it for $22 on Amazon or Ebay, it's not bad. If Courser stays at $15, Prophet of Kruphix is going for $3, Nykthos is like $4, Temple of Mystery is $3, so that's worth it. Anything else like the Sphinx or Hydra are just bonus.
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Sep 1, 2014 10:14
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If someone has the time, the 75 minute Painter vs Miracles semifinals of the Legacy Open is worth checking out, if only for how funny it gets towards the end for Cedric and Patrick, who are so unbelievably bored that they kind of go a little delirious. The last 20 minutes are just Ensnaring Bridge + Blood Moon vs Counterbalance + Top. At one point Patrick says something like, "We could have watched actual paint dry and have it be more entertaining at this point," and when the match finally ends, Patrick points out the "lone, ironic sarcastic slow clap from the sole remaining spectator on the railing" which has Cedric laughing for a good minute.
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Sep 1, 2014 10:18
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Is Ugin's Nexus good enough to see vintage play? 5 isn't a lot in that format, it shuts down vault + key, and tinkering it into Blightsteel is probably game every time.
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born on a buy you posted:Is Ugin's Nexus good enough to see vintage play? 5 isn't a lot in that format, it shuts down vault + key, and tinkering it into Blightsteel is probably game every time. I've been watching LSV play vintage a bit this past week, and I think the Nexus is unplayable there. If you can successfully cast a 5 mana spell and not have it be countered/bounced/destroyed in vintage, you should essentially win the game, and the nexus doesn't get you close.
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Sep 1, 2014 11:04
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lardnar posted:I've been watching LSV play vintage a bit this past week, and I think the Nexus is unplayable there. If you can successfully cast a 5 mana spell and not have it be countered/bounced/destroyed in vintage, you should essentially win the game, and the nexus doesn't get you close. I'd imagine the real strength of Nexus in vintage would be Dredge.
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Sep 1, 2014 11:06
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First Bass posted:I'd imagine the real strength of Nexus in vintage would be Dredge. It only triggers when it goes to the 'yard from the battlefield, Dredging it from the library doesn't get you anything. VV: It would instantly be a 4-of in any Dredge deck I'd guess. Also, it would combo with One With Nothingness.  Does Wizards' (Wizards's?) foresight know any bounds?But that's exactly why it doesn't trigger on anywhere, cause you could just Gifts Ungiven for it or something, it would be hilariously busted in a myriad ways. Serperoth fucked around with this message at 11:24 on Sep 1, 2014 |
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Sep 1, 2014 11:11
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Serperoth posted:It only triggers when it goes to the 'yard from the battlefield, Dredging it from the library doesn't get you anything. If you got an extra turn when it entered your yard from anywhere, it would be a more interesting card, and also get banned in at least standard, and probably every other format.
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lardnar posted:If you got an extra turn when it entered your yard from anywhere, it would be a more interesting card, and also get banned in at least standard, and probably every other format. g/b dredge would instantly rocket to top tier between Satyr Wayfinder and Thoughtseize
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Sep 1, 2014 11:22
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born on a buy you posted:Is Ugin's Nexus good enough to see vintage play? 5 isn't a lot in that format, it shuts down vault + key, and tinkering it into Blightsteel is probably game every time. Tinker is a 3-mana spell that causes you to win the game next turn, unless your opponent has one of a small number of answers. Tezzeret the Seeker is a 5-mana spell that causes you to win the game the next turn, unless your opponent has one of a small number of answers. Ugin's Nexus isn't nearly as powerful as either of those, and it's not particularly effective as Time Vault hate since Pithing Needle does that job much better.
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Sep 1, 2014 11:32
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qbert posted:Remember guys, Legacy Burn is nothing but fetchlands and Mountains. Why? Because fetchlands in mono-colored decks with a low mana curve are loving awesome. This is more for searing blaze than anything else.
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Sep 1, 2014 11:40
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lardnar posted:I've been watching LSV play vintage a bit this past week, and I think the Nexus is unplayable there. If you can successfully cast a 5 mana spell and not have it be countered/bounced/destroyed in vintage, you should essentially win the game, and the nexus doesn't get you close. The decks that can easily produce five mana on their first turn are Workshop decks that play lots of artifacts*. Pithing Needle on Time Vault is better though, but this could see some sideboard play in Workshop decks that can easily sacrifice it when needed, such as Goblin Welder-based lists. *Not that you'd run this out first turn, unless you know for sure your opponent has the god hand of a first turn Vault/Key combo.
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Sep 1, 2014 11:40
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BJPaskoff posted:The decks that can easily produce five mana on their first turn are Workshop decks that play lots of artifacts*. Pithing Needle on Time Vault is better though, but this could see some sideboard play in Workshop decks that can easily sacrifice it when needed, such as Goblin Welder-based lists. Edit: Forgot how spells work. It's still a narrow sideboard card, but vintage is weird enough I wouldn't be too surprised.
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Sep 1, 2014 11:47
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Ooh I forgot all about the deck thinning argument. Best part of fetches being in standard!
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Sep 1, 2014 13:11
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^^ Is there something to be said for that? I mean, I know it's not statistically useful to most decks, but if a mono Red deck wants to stop drawing land at a certain point, having some that take another out of the deck is good isn't it? Or is it not worth the point of life? I'm sure studies have been conducted. I've just realized Fetches are in standard with Urborg. It's a bit narrow unless you play multiple legendary land, but that means you can turn Fetches into black sources until you need to crack them for something else. Might be handy for black decks splashing other colours. Going to try not to be too annoyed about my Marsh Flats and Verdant Catacombs being devalued, I only paid $40 for each set something like 2 and a half years ago. Suspect they will be standard legal come Lewie as well, that set will need fixing too after all.
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Sep 1, 2014 13:28
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BizarroAzrael posted:^^ Is there something to be said for that? I mean, I know it's not statistically useful to most decks, but if a mono Red deck wants to stop drawing land at a certain point, having some that take another out of the deck is good isn't it? Or is it not worth the point of life? I'm sure studies have been conducted. Even though it's a very minor benefit, that's still a benefit, so why not.
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Sep 1, 2014 13:35
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Sarcastro posted:Even though it's a very minor benefit, that's still a benefit, so why not. Because there is also a cost; even in mono red losing a life is not free.
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Sep 1, 2014 14:37
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Courser is sitting at 17 (price+shipping), clash packs are 22-25 shipped. Cards worth mentioning Nykthos Alt art foil Prognostic sphinx Alt art foil Temple of mystery Alt art foil Prophet of kruphix Genesis hydra alt art foil font of fertility Aetherspout Are all those worth 5-8 dollars? I think so.
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Sep 1, 2014 14:48
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The deck-thinning effect of fetches is pretty miniscule for decks with normal land ratios but it becomes more pronounced with the fewer lands you run. If you're playing legacy burn with 16 lands, the effect is actually appreciable compared with a 20 or 24 land deck.
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Sep 1, 2014 14:55
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Molybdenum posted:Courser is sitting at 17 (price+shipping), clash packs are 22-25 shipped. Cards worth mentioning I am no cardboard baron but I doubt alt art font and maybe aetherspout are worth that much.
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Sep 1, 2014 14:57
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Neither is prognostic really, tcg mid for the sphinx is about 1.30. Font is probably .25, but is anyone buying? Probably not. I do think the prophet and temple will end up being nice edh trade fodder even after rotation (assuming prophet doesn't get banned because people are whiners). Same for nykthos. Any lands that produces more than 1 mana is a card to watch.
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Sep 1, 2014 15:01
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The johnny in me wants to combine goblin welder and Ugin's Nexus to make infinite turns somehow.
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Molybdenum posted:Neither is prognostic really, tcg mid for the sphinx is about 1.30. Font is probably .25, but is anyone buying? Probably not. I do think the prophet and temple will end up being nice edh trade fodder even after rotation (assuming prophet doesn't get banned because people are whiners). There's a suspicion that Nykthos may be the Command Tower in Commander 2014.
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Sep 1, 2014 15:17
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Bread Set Jettison posted:The johnny in me wants to combine goblin welder and Ugin's Nexus to make infinite turns somehow. Pretty sure that's impossible. You need to exile it to take the extra turn. If you copy it, the Legend Rule will destroy the original or the copy as soon as SBEs are checked; the one remaining on the battlefield will prevent the extra turn.
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Sep 1, 2014 15:24
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So, Fate Reforged is the swing set, right? Much better name than <whatever> of Tarkir.
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Sep 1, 2014 15:24
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mfcrocker posted:There's a suspicion that Nykthos may be the Command Tower in Commander 2014. Since they're going to be mono-colored Command Tower would be a bit of a waste. Nykthos would be a really good fit.
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Sep 1, 2014 15:26
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So did they change when they update the mothership with previews? Used to be I roll out of bed Monday morning and previews are up.
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Sep 1, 2014 15:35
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Dr. Clockwork posted:So did they change when they update the mothership with previews? Used to be I roll out of bed Monday morning and previews are up. I think they just pushed the mechanics article out early, with the PAX reveals and all.
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Dr. Clockwork posted:So did they change when they update the mothership with previews? Used to be I roll out of bed Monday morning and previews are up. They update at 8am Pacific now instead of 12am Eastern.
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Sep 1, 2014 15:40
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It's Labor Day here in the US, it's possible they won't update today.
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Sep 1, 2014 15:45
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Elyv posted:It's Labor Day here in the US, it's possible they won't update today. Maro has said the website will update. He doesn't get a day off today. (Other than not going into the office) They changed the updating time when they did the site redesign. I personally dislike it, but that's because I enjoyed reading preview cards before I went to sleep, rather than trying to sneak a look at the cards at work.
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e:Nevermind.
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I think I really like Crackling Doom for several reasons. My Kaalia EDH deck will like it for one, and if standard allows reliable access to three colours, and it should, it seems pretty potent for keeping creatures down.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIC1M_eKagk&hd=1   \Maro's first Khans design article Zorak fucked around with this message at 16:01 on Sep 1, 2014 |
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Sep 1, 2014 15:58
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What I like about fetches in standard is that there are going to be so many people who mess up their own scry.
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Sep 1, 2014 15:59
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Chill la Chill posted:It was true during zendikar and it'll be true now. People even passed fetches, some foil, just to win a draft!
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Well now, there's the < 6-mana wrath and the BUG self-mill enabler people have been asking for. Entropic fucked around with this message at 16:20 on Sep 1, 2014 |
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Sep 1, 2014 16:04
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So if I'm reading that right, no matter how many creatures get binned by an effect, you only get one 2/2?
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Bollocks, I was going to try playing Heroic/Bestow. Was also considering Suitai, and this looks neat. Was expecting Naga to be typed as Snakes actually. That sort of thing has long been inconsistent, with Cats and Birds instead of Leonin and Avians, but also Merfolk instead of fish.
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