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A Melted Tarp posted:It's nice that they threw 30 years of ergonomics research directly in the toilet and went with a scroll wheel and LCD panel. Not to mention the buttons they did decide to keep are going to be virtually impossible to use with gloves on. Unless of course you actually do want to press three buttons at once. Good luck with those tiny knobs.
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:The Countach still looks awesome and futuristic. As for having fun w/ non-sports cars... In high school I drove an '82 Mercury Grand Marquis. The thing was a boat but it had a 302 V8, aluminum wheels, and a glasspack muffler. (And my 15" sub in the trunk) Horrible car stuff? Maybe, but it was fun to drive.
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davebo posted:The place where all those old but futuristic cars fall apart is the interior. Not all of them! 
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xzzy posted:They did a pretty good job 50 years ago when no one gave a poo poo about aerodynamics. Eh, there were plenty of aerodynamic cars 50 years ago. Lotuses, Ferraris, Jaguars, etc. Maybe not as perfectly optimized as something modern with a Kamm back and air dams and vortex generators and all that, but I bet an E-type still has a better Cd than a modern Corolla or whatever. No, the main thing that's killed elegant cars I think is the need to have three inches of airbags and sound dampening behind every piece of sheet metal, and pedestrian impact standards that have eliminated all pointy bits and sharp edges.
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Sagebrush posted:I bet an E-type still has a better Cd than a modern Corolla or whatever. Pretty sure that isn't the case. First Google results say - E Type = .40 - E170 Corolla sedan = .28
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VW Type 1: .49. VW Type 2 (van, first gen): .44.
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A Melted Tarp posted:In any Japanese sedan from the 90s to today, you can operate every single function without taking your eyes off the street. Even the fiancee's Prius is usable without looking at the display. Good job, BMW. But, it has voice control. 
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The Door Frame posted:
I actually like that quite a bit for once (it's the European version, right?)
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kastein posted:It's more fun to drive a normal car at it's limits than a supercar because it means 10, 15, MAYBE 20 over the limit, a nasty fine but no risk of losing your license or going to jail. It's the same reason racing in the wet is the most fun, driving-wise. The limits are much more accessible.
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CharlesM posted:But, it has voice control. It usually takes Siri repeated cajoling to do my bidding. I can't wait to yell at my car like a crazy person to get the defogger on or open the gas flap.
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dubzee posted:Not all of them! that brings me back 
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A Melted Tarp posted:It's nice that they threw 30 years of ergonomics research directly in the toilet and went with a scroll wheel and LCD panel. Not really sure this is a valid complaint... Instead of having to jump around pressing buttons, you do everything with the wheel. Its like the ultimate in ergonomics, less movement!
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Individual button positions can be learned through muscle memory and later accessed by feel without taking your eyes off the road. An interface using a general-purpose scroll wheel and screen-based soft keys always requires some visual attention to operate, because you have no other way of knowing what mode it's in and what a given motion is going to produce. Why do you think airliners still stick individual physical toggle switches all over everything? Surely the designers had the money and the expertise to put everything into a nice screen-based menu-driven system, right? "Ergonomics" just means "the study of work," i.e. the study of how people do things. Good ergonomics means you've optimized the way someone performs a task, taking into account the full context of the person and the environment. It's not necessarily going to be the prettiest or most hardware-efficient way (though those often enter into it), but it should be the most reliable and easiest to perform under the widest range of conditions. e: if your post was sarcastic well i dun got trolled good what now tell you don'ch Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 06:45 on Sep 3, 2014 |
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Except airliners have the ability to fill their entire cockpit with switches, including behind, overhead, and even beside the driver(s), cars need to located everything in-front and within arms reach I've used the mercedes, lexus, and audi version of the scroll wheel, and after a few hours of use you can easily 'flick' to what you want without even looking at the screen, the same muscle memory that you'd have to use to push 2 buttons, can be done with 1 turn and press of the wheel If we were talking about something which is one step further (the touch screen on the tesla), then I'd have to agree, all your attention is centered down on that screen, and you need to PUSH to do anything. Which is a problem because all the functions are located in that one screen. Driving one for a day, I estimate 30% of the driving time was spent looking at the screen.
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Sappo569 posted:Except airliners have the ability to fill their entire cockpit with switches, including behind, overhead, and even beside the driver(s), cars need to located everything in-front and within arms reach Careful, you're going to bring out the Citroen owners
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Sappo569 posted:Except airliners have the ability to fill their entire cockpit with switches, including behind, overhead, and even beside the driver(s), cars need to located everything in-front and within arms reach Sure, but half of those switches are only used once or twice in the flight and then ignored. Could easily be put into software. They don't do that, instead spreading them out all over the cockpit, because it lets the pilots know with a single glance (or feel, if need be) what state the switch is in. In an emergency, that's critical. Or to take another example from aircraft, look at a combat jet's HOTAS system.  Notice how every single button and switch has a different shape from all of the others? They do that so that a fighter pilot in combat can immediately know what control he's pressing without looking. That is proper ergonomic design for a situation where you want to maximize the operator's attention on the task.
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aa35199 posted:that brings me back Ha, we would tell my sister that A was for accelerate and B was for 'burn rubber'. Despite being older than me she fell for it every time.
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enojy posted:I actually like that quite a bit for once (it's the European version, right?) I believe so, the type R is just the euro version of the SI, right?
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The Door Frame posted:I believe so, the type R is just the euro version of the SI, right? The hatch is quite a different car to the coupe/sedan
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p6hqMnsLFY They were all wearing gopros so you can see it from many angles Luckily they all survived
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Sappo569 posted:Driving one for a day, I estimate 30% of the driving time was spent looking at the screen. Let's not ignore this. You should never be behind the wheel again.
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freelop posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p6hqMnsLFY I wonder if prior to the accident anybody made the mistake of making the classic joke: "why are we jumping out of a perfectly good airplane?"
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Safety Dance posted:Let's not ignore this. You should never be behind the wheel again. I want to know what is on that screen that could even possibly necessitate spending that much time looking at it and adjusting the things it controls. The speedometer? Everything that's normally on a turn signal stalk including the turn signal? Is the UI just that bad that it takes 20 minutes out of an hour drive to change a radio station and turn off the defrosters?
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But was the pilot wearing a parachute 
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Is there anything more scary than watching a plane spiral away with only one wing?  The plane that kept both its wings managed to land safely, had some wing and propeller damage. FAA said the cause of the accident was "unknown." Uh, planes got close and ran into each other. Seems kind of obvious guys.
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Slavvy posted:But was the pilot wearing a parachute The plane was wearing a parachute. The other one landed normally. Edit: Apparently I'm thinking of a different incident. In this one, yes, the pilot had a chute and managed to get out. Theris fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Sep 3, 2014 |
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xzzy posted:Is there anything more scary than watching a plane spiral away with only one wing? Nah, that's the accident itself. The FAA couldn't figure out why the planes ran into each other.
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xzzy posted:Is there anything more scary than watching a plane spiral away with only one wing? I think you're being sarcastic but NTSB is who investigates the accidents and they probably want to know why they got close. That still is amazingly ball-curling to see the plane falling away without a wing even though I saw it when it first came out.
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I thought I read that there's a rule FAA or otherwise that pilots of planes that are doing jumps have to wear a chute.
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Someone post that Israeli F-15 that made it home on one wing. VVVV: You actually though this was a serious request for someone to post it, rather than mentioning something most people have seen before in a humorous manner, didn't you? Jesus Christ. InitialDave fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Sep 3, 2014 |
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 First result: http://www.military.com/video/military-aircraft-operations/crash-landings/f-15-one-wing-miracle-landing/660534011001/ Maker Of Shoes fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Sep 3, 2014 |
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@1:40 The plane you saw with only one wing is seen having the remaining wing ripped off. It just kind of spears down out of view 
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xzzy posted:Is there anything more scary than watching a plane spiral away with only one wing? I'm gonna go with 'still being on that plane'
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InitialDave posted:VVVV: You actually though this was a serious request for someone to post it, rather than mentioning something most people have seen before in a humorous manner, didn't you? Jesus Christ. I think you need to chill out, man.
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davebo posted:The place where all those old but futuristic cars fall apart is the interior. It's definitely gonna look retro, this poo poo is all gonna look like a prop from a tom cruise scifi movie
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All the modern boondoggle cars look like props from demolition man to me 
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Safety Dance posted:Let's not ignore this. You should never be behind the wheel again. You'd probably be the one driving past the accident I have from looking at the screen, saying "Look at this moran!"
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nigga crab pollock posted:It's definitely gonna look retro, this poo poo is all gonna look like a prop from a tom cruise scifi movie Most definitely, that's just the way of things. What I want to know is, what the hell are car interiors gonna look like in 30 years to make the i8 seem crude and retro? Like that archaic infotainment center doesn't even come with an optional neuro-link what am I supposed to do just give it voice commands like a caveman?
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