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achillesforever6 posted:I'm sure if we had gotten more seasons we would have gotten that with the ending being the Light being That person's name is Geoff Johns.
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I don't really care who the Flash is. Barry's return in Final Crisis was awesome as gently caress though.
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Timeless Appeal posted:It's also a shame because a movie about Wally taking up the mantle after Barry dies in the first act would be interesting and not really something we've seen before. I was kind of hoping if they did a Captain Marvel movie they'd do a bait and switch with Mar-Vell as the apparent lead, only for him to keel over halfway through and now bam Carol is Captain Marvel.
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Yvonmukluk posted:I was kind of hoping if they did a Captain Marvel movie they'd do a bait and switch with Mar-Vell as the apparent lead, only for him to keel over halfway through and now bam Carol is Captain Marvel. That'd go over about as well as Bryan Cranston in Godzilla.
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Yvonmukluk posted:I was kind of hoping if they did a Captain Marvel movie they'd do a bait and switch with Mar-Vell as the apparent lead, only for him to keel over halfway through and now bam Carol is Captain Marvel. In a vaccumn that would be a good twist, however there is no way to pull that off successfully marketing wise. 1. If you show Carol at all it's pretty obvious what's going to happen. 2. If you obfuscate Carol, and only show Mar-Vell in the promotional material, then you eat so much poo poo from news sources with a tenuous grasp on Marvel's continuity who are writing news articles that you aren't using Carol, because of a fear of a woman lead.
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Yvonmukluk posted:I was kind of hoping if they did a Captain Marvel movie they'd do a bait and switch with Mar-Vell as the apparent lead, only for him to keel over halfway through and now bam Carol is Captain Marvel. According to the leaked info about Phase 3, Carol is going to be part of the Marvel movieverse, though it's unclear if she's going to get her own movie or just be part of the Avengers ensemble.
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Cythereal posted:According to the leaked info about Phase 3, Carol is going to be part of the Marvel movieverse, though it's unclear if she's going to get her own movie or just be part of the Avengers ensemble. That's not what they're not sure of. They're not sure if they want to INTRODUCE her as a cameo or by having her own movie. Devin very clearly stated in his rumor post that Marvel is 100% A-OK with a female-lead movie going forward, and they're not sure if they want to lessen that by making her appear in Avengers first.
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Jose Oquendo posted:I don't really care who the Flash is. Barry's return in Final Crisis was awesome as gently caress though. Jay, Barry, and Wally ride Red Shifts to outrun Death on skis. Put that poo poo on film and I'll go see it 6 times.
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GonSmithe posted:That's not what they're not sure of. They're not sure if they want to INTRODUCE her as a cameo or by having her own movie. Devin very clearly stated in his rumor post that Marvel is 100% A-OK with a female-lead movie going forward, and they're not sure if they want to lessen that by making her appear in Avengers first. I don't see why they can't just give her a cameo as a brave pilot in AOU. That allows them to set her character up in advance while also not yet being a superhero, so they can do the origin story.
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Spatula City posted:I don't see why they can't just give her a cameo as a brave pilot in AOU. That allows them to set her character up in advance while also not yet being a superhero, so they can do the origin story. They're not doing origin stories anymore. They'll be in the same vein as GoTG from now on (characters already established in their universes). The example they gave is that Dr. Strange will take place with Stephen Strange already being well known as the Sorcerer Supreme.
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GonSmithe posted:They're not doing origin stories anymore. They'll be in the same vein as GoTG from now on (characters already established in their universes). The example they gave is that Dr. Strange will take place with Stephen Strange already being well known as the Sorcerer Supreme. Like the DC "no jokes" policy, there's no way this is applicable to everyone. Carol's origin is fairly quick and easy to tell (cartoons manage to work it in in less than 20 minutes) but you can't tell her story without Mar-Vell and, you know, proper context. Your example is also wrong. Feige said Strange would already have his powers, yes, but not be the famous Sorcerer Supreme just yet.
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Carol is cool because Carol is a cool lady. Her origin has never really mattered that much, and her powers have honestly been a bit secondary to her just being a badass.
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If they make another Ghost Rider movie, they should use Paul Walker as the main character. They've got the "skeleton" and "flaming vehicle" thing in common already!
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Tripwyre posted:Like the DC "no jokes" policy, there's no way this is applicable to everyone. Carol's origin is fairly quick and easy to tell (cartoons manage to work it in in less than 20 minutes) but you can't tell her story without Mar-Vell and, you know, proper context. Your example is also wrong. Feige said Strange would already have his powers, yes, but not be the famous Sorcerer Supreme just yet. The movies will probably still have origin stories, but not in the same vein as the Spider-Man, Superman or Batman movies where you see it all unfold at the start of the movie. It could just be in the form of a flashback or meeting a character who can explain the character's origin, like what it sounds like they are doing for GotG (assuming they meet Quill's father later). I think it's great. It isn't specifically Marvel's fault, but I am suffering from origin story fatigue more than superhero movie fatigue. At least the next Batman incarnation won't have an hour of origin story tied to it.
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http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/4-signs-dc-comics-has-no-clue-how-to-make-superhero-movies/ If I were prone to nerd conspiracy theories I would think that Marvel/Disney is actively paying off for this sort of stupid cheerleading, seeing that DC Movies are not exactly failures critically and commercially. But knowing the mentality of these people, they would work for their favorite brand for free given a chance. I loving hate "they" talk and completely omitting the actual directors and writers of the movies. I hope Ant-Man will be the sort of failure that makes even the Merry Marching Marvel Society 2.0 realize that there are people beside Kevin Feige working on these products. fatherboxx fucked around with this message at 13:42 on Sep 3, 2014 |
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A sad, sad person that didn't read the thing they linked themselves posted:http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/4-signs-dc-comics-has-no-clue-how-to-make-superhero-movies/ Cracked has posted many articles that take critical examinations of comic book movies, and that includes Marvel films. It's not their fault that DC/WB has significantly more flaws to point out.
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The funniest thing about the whole "DC does worse than Marvel" claim is that it isn't really true; it only looks that way because Marvel floods the market with more tentpole films on average. When you count only the large tentpole films, the only misfire in recent memory from DC was Green Lantern. Regardless of what the internet nerd hive mind wants to believe, TDKR and MOS were both really successful films and BVS will probably also be a really successful film.
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For a lot of nerds the greatest movie ever made is whatever sci-fi movie they watched most recently, so this isn't surprising.
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Neo Rasa posted:For a lot of nerds the greatest movie ever made is whatever sci-fi movie they watched most recently, so this isn't surprising. Pretty much.
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HorseRenoir posted:the internet nerd hive mind Just gotta say this term irritates me. (incoming rant not directed at HorseRenoir) There are discussions with large groups at various sites around the internet with strong "consensuses" on both sides (just like people love asking what "the goon consensus" is about games that people have been arguing about for 700 pages) and you'll find plenty here and elsewhere who love MoS and TDKR and will go on about how the Avengers is tripe and Marvel movies have no style and all that. Here's an article from that same site about how Marvel movies are devoid of creativity and art (from just a couple months ago): http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/4-reasons-why-all-marvel-movies-are-same/ ...and you'd find plenty who agree with this too, it doesn't mean a "hive mind" is forcing people to think DC is better, it's an example of one person who has an opinion. There is no hive mind, there are people agreeing about things and other people agreeing about other things and congregating. Sorry to rant, I guess it's just like any Apple/Google Sony/Xbox Ford/Chevy debates, but c'mon. The internet hive mind doesn't want to believe anything, just copy/replace that hive mind with "Marvel movie fans" and stop pretending anyone who likes the (presumably) less represented side of an argument is some pariah. You might as well complain about the internet vogue hive mind making people think comic book fans are nerds. No, it's just a conclusion some number of people arrived at. We're all allowed to like the things we like, and seeing others post differing opinions shouldn't threaten that, but I see the term hive mind used in the same way 16-year-old social studies students discover the term "sheeple".
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fatherboxx posted:http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/4-signs-dc-comics-has-no-clue-how-to-make-superhero-movies/ Oh really?
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Jamesman posted:Cracked has posted many articles that take critical examinations of comic book movies, and that includes Marvel films. It's not their fault that DC/WB has significantly more flaws to point out. Some of these "flaws" are inane or objectively untrue, though. Man of Steel has a very specific palette, yes, but it's very colorful. It's dark, but not drab. And the bit about how making MoS dour (regardless of whether I think that characterization has merit) has led to it getting its "rear end kicked by a cartoon raccoon" or whatever is especially odd because GotG is going to finish with an almost identical box office haul - it's at 281million domestically and 550ish international, and MoS finished at 291 and 660. Guardians will probably end up at 300-310 and 600-650.
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Finally confirmed that The Rock will be Black Adam in an unannounced Shazam movie. http://variety.com/2014/film/news/dwayne-johnson-to-play-black-adam-in-shazam-darren-lemke-to-script-exclusive-1201294338/
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teagone posted:Finally confirmed that The Rock will be Black Adam in an unannounced Shazam movie. http://variety.com/2014/film/news/dwayne-johnson-to-play-black-adam-in-shazam-darren-lemke-to-script-exclusive-1201294338/ If this leads to a Shazam/Superman showdown in the future, I'm all for it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BJ1-trrgqc
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teagone posted:Finally confirmed that The Rock will be Black Adam in an unannounced Shazam movie. http://variety.com/2014/film/news/dwayne-johnson-to-play-black-adam-in-shazam-darren-lemke-to-script-exclusive-1201294338/ So how's the writer? Can we expect something good out of it? I mean, I'm gonna see it anyways but I want to have some realistic expectations.
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HorseRenoir posted:The writer did Jack the Giant Slayer and a bunch of Dreamworks movies, so I'm expecting a script that isn't great but hopefully aiming for the tone a Shazam movie should have. Jack the Giant Slayer was such a loving slog. Horrible movie.
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Vintersorg posted:Jack the Giant Slayer was such a loving slog. Horrible movie. It also had a dozen writers work on it. It was a mess. I don't think anyone can be held accountable for that.
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DeimosRising posted:Some of these "flaws" are inane or objectively untrue, though. Man of Steel has a very specific palette, yes, but it's very colorful. It's dark, but not drab. And the bit about how making MoS dour (regardless of whether I think that characterization has merit) has led to it getting its "rear end kicked by a cartoon raccoon" or whatever is especially odd because GotG is going to finish with an almost identical box office haul - it's at 281million domestically and 550ish international, and MoS finished at 291 and 660. Guardians will probably end up at 300-310 and 600-650.
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I finally got into Arrow, and I'm really enjoying it. But I still question DC's decision to keep their live action film and television properties in three separate continuities. MOS was awful, and Dawn of Justice seems really crowded for an introductory film for a lot of those characters.
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Spatula City posted:I don't think we can even say whether DC's "creatively bankrupt" or really anything about what they're trying to do until Dawn of Justice comes out. Marvel's deep into its big worldbuilding thing, and WB/DC have only just begun. Arrow (and Flash) have shown nothing but great worldbuilding by basically scooping up everything that works best in a serial format, so it's not like it's impossible. I'm cautiously optimistic about Shazam, because they probably need to make it bright and fun just to avoid market saturation. The recent Johns run was a bit tryhard, among its other flaws, but even that had a sense of fun and optimism underneath.
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HorseRenoir posted:The funniest thing about the whole "DC does worse than Marvel" claim is that it isn't really true; it only looks that way because Marvel floods the market with more tentpole films on average. When you count only the large tentpole films, the only misfire in recent memory from DC was Green Lantern. Regardless of what the internet nerd hive mind wants to believe, TDKR and MOS were both really successful films and BVS will probably also be a really successful film. It's like they just released those coke bottles with the names on them, so pepsi is DEAD.
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DrVenkman posted:It also had a dozen writers work on it. It was a mess. I don't think anyone can be held accountable for that. I'm not sure if I'd call it terrible, but it was hugely bland and dull, and the giants looked like poo poo. Its biggest crime is wasting your time if you watched it.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:It's like they just released those coke bottles with the names on them, so pepsi is DEAD. Haha, exactly. It's amazing how the Marvel Zombies/Distinguished Competition stuff translates so naturally to box office horse racing.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Arrow (and Flash) have shown nothing but great worldbuilding by basically scooping up everything that works best in a serial format, so it's not like it's impossible. Those properties aren't tied into WB's upcoming DC film universe (assuming that's what they're doing). It's a separate DC Live Action TV Universe, I guess one would say. Which, strangely, will not be related to Gotham at all.  Rumor has it they're doing a Supergirl TV series, though, which confuses the issue. Would that tie in with the movies, or Flash/Arrow?
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Slugworth posted:I don't go in for the MoS bashing (I think it's merely forgettable at worst), but I think it's fair to say a Superman movie should be able to beat an unknown comic property. Tying it isn't a great feat. rear end kicking might be hyperbole, but not entirely unearned. So literally "unless Superman makes $1 billion it's a failure". Are you a film executive?
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