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So, yea Wolverine and the Xmen was one of the worst comics I've ever read since Age of Ultron, and that was the Fearless Defenders issue.
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twistedmentat posted:So, yea Wolverine and the Xmen was one of the worst comics I've ever read since Age of Ultron, and that was the Fearless Defenders issue. I'm impressed that you made it all the way through.
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Sep 3, 2014 00:06
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It seriously felt like "oh poo poo we are killing Wolverine off in a week, we better do a story about him banging Storm!". Ugh, and there was what, one panel of school happenings?
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Sep 3, 2014 12:46
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I actually liked the issue of Storm that dealt with their relationship. Did anyone else read that? I think it was last week.
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Sep 3, 2014 14:11
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It seemed like they were a fairly well-established couple, which was weird, even though they technically do have enough history that they'd reach that comfort level pretty quickly. It definitely makes more sense than Kitty and Quill. The story itself with Callisto and the runaway kids was a lot more engaging than the previous issue, but I'm still anxious to see an ongoing plot develop.
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Sep 3, 2014 16:21
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I just read the Uncanny issue this week. I just want some fallout from the whole Incursions in New Avengers and Beast to get exposed as the hypocrite and idiot he is and expelled from the school. Also, Xavier is truly a jerk and a tease, just tell them your last will you bald jerk! Stop delaying it!
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Sep 3, 2014 19:08
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radlum posted:I just read the Uncanny issue this week. I just want some fallout from the whole Incursions in New Avengers and Beast to get exposed as the hypocrite and idiot he is and expelled from the school. Despite knowing all about the Age of Apocalypse and how that started he also thought it would be a smart move to rip the founding members of the X-men from the early days of the team to teach Cyclops a lesson.
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Sep 3, 2014 19:33
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radlum posted:Also, Bendis is truly a jerk and a tease, just tell them your last will you bald jerk! Stop delaying it! But then it wouldn't be a 5-issue long story.
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Sep 3, 2014 19:38
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DynamicSloth posted:and planned and executed the murder of a child after Scott tried to disband the team Yeah that's not how that happened no matter how many time you say it or write it down in your secret Cyclops love diary.
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Sep 3, 2014 19:40
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SirDan3k posted:Yeah that's not how that happened no matter how many time you say it or write it down in your secret Cyclops love diary. But what part are you claiming didn't happen? Beast breaking with Cyclops over X-force. Cyclops ostensibly disbanding X-Force. Wolverine continuing X-force on the down low or as the author put it: 
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Sep 3, 2014 20:35
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I am quite liking the set-up of this story, even though I know there is a 3% chance it'll end satisfyingly. But it's, y'know, teasing an end to the schism. I wonder if Wolverine's gonna be part of this away team or if he's gonna die while they're gone, denying Scott a final chance to reconcile with him. edit: Christ, that panel above only reinforces in my mind that the schism should have had Scott and Logan on the same side, with Storm and Beast on the other. But nooo, we can't have Wolverine playing second fiddle to anyone anymore!
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Sep 3, 2014 20:36
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Didn't really like todays Uncanny, but I have to admit I laughed at Wolverine wanting acknowledgement for his good behavior.
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Sep 3, 2014 20:59
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Re reading the Uncanny X-men issue reminded me of how ethical and moral Xavier was in relation to humans and mutants living together. I really wonder how Xavier would have handled the Incursion stuff if Hickman had been allowed use him.
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Sep 3, 2014 21:16
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DynamicSloth posted:Not sure how any of that makes Cyclops look good, he's pretty culpable for X-Force's actions as well since it started as his idea. Yeah that's Wolverine taking responsibility for Fantomex, they didn't know Apocolypse was reborn as a kid when the mission started and it stopped everybody cold when they found out. So noted child killer Wolverine both didn't actually kill or even plan to kill a child.
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Sep 3, 2014 22:59
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I was actually really liking this week issue of Uncanny... until the second half of the issue hits and suddenly the really innocuous, sweet story about Charles communicating with the child is supposed to be controversial for some reason. It's the same bullshit that made Battle of the Atom really irritating to me; it takes a pretty obvious and benign idea and pretends like it's a super-contentious flashpoint despite one side of the argument not really having a point. Why is Charles sealing the kid's powers and letting him live a normal life presented as a morally sketchy decision, even after the child explicitly gives Charles his consent? This whole storyline was about Charles having some dark hidden secret; was "Charles couldn't help this one kid control his powers, so that kid grew up to have  a normal childhood!!! " really the best they could do?That whole section of Scott flipping out because Charles was literally flawless and hypercompetent felt like blatantly artificial tension, and I have no idea why Bendis bothered to include it in what would otherwise be a story about the team overcoming their differences.
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Sep 3, 2014 23:23
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SirDan3k posted:Yeah that's Wolverine taking responsibility for Fantomex, they didn't know Apocolypse was reborn as a kid when the mission started and it stopped everybody cold when they found out. So noted child killer Wolverine both didn't actually kill or even plan to kill a child. They all agreed it was necessary and wolves did too. You are just doing gymnastics so your wolves can remain pure. Which is dumb as Wolves whole thing is he is a bad guy who tries to do the right thing but fails. Its annoying granted but whatever its like trying to hold back the tides. CharlestheHammer fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Sep 3, 2014 |
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Sep 3, 2014 23:42
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HorseRenoir posted:I was actually really liking this week issue of Uncanny... until the second half of the issue hits and suddenly the really innocuous, sweet story about Charles communicating with the child is supposed to be controversial for some reason [...] Why is Charles sealing the kid's powers and letting him live a normal life presented as a morally sketchy decision, even after the child explicitly gives Charles his consent? This whole storyline was about Charles having some dark hidden secret; was "Charles couldn't help this one kid control his powers, so that kid grew up to have Isn't that what he did with Jean Grey, anyway? Or was that only in the movies?
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Sep 3, 2014 23:44
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HorseRenoir posted:I was actually really liking this week issue of Uncanny... until the second half of the issue hits and suddenly the really innocuous, sweet story about Charles communicating with the child is supposed to be controversial for some reason. It's the same bullshit that made Battle of the Atom really irritating to me; it takes a pretty obvious and benign idea and pretends like it's a super-contentious flashpoint despite one side of the argument not really having a point. Why is Charles sealing the kid's powers and letting him live a normal life presented as a morally sketchy decision, even after the child explicitly gives Charles his consent? This whole storyline was about Charles having some dark hidden secret; was "Charles couldn't help this one kid control his powers, so that kid grew up to have After years of "Charles Xaiver is really a douchebag" presenting his dark secret being "actually Charles Xavier is a principled guy, who even when confronted with a horrible set of circumstances, didn't compromise on his main moral principles, but does feel guilty about it." is kind of a neat twist. And it did make me think about the Incursions and the ins and outs of the moral compromising in that story, and how would Charles have interacted with that.
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Sep 3, 2014 23:58
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Man the way they just write all the Xmen to poo poo all over Cyclops is absolutely ridiculous.
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Sep 4, 2014 00:18
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HorseRenoir posted:I was actually really liking this week issue of Uncanny... until the second half of the issue hits and suddenly the really innocuous, sweet story about Charles communicating with the child is supposed to be controversial for some reason. It's the same bullshit that made Battle of the Atom really irritating to me; it takes a pretty obvious and benign idea and pretends like it's a super-contentious flashpoint despite one side of the argument not really having a point. Why is Charles sealing the kid's powers and letting him live a normal life presented as a morally sketchy decision, even after the child explicitly gives Charles his consent? This whole storyline was about Charles having some dark hidden secret; was "Charles couldn't help this one kid control his powers, so that kid grew up to have It'd because Bendis didn't get a chance to write his own Xavier Is A Dick story so he's doing one now.
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Sep 4, 2014 00:36
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notthegoatseguy posted:It'd because Bendis didn't get a chance to write his own Xavier Is A Dick story so he's doing one now. It's not his fault, it's just on the checklist of stories that all Marvel writers have to try to do before they can quit, including but not limited to:
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Sep 4, 2014 01:16
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TwoPair posted:It's not his fault, it's just on the checklist of stories that all Marvel writers have to try to do before they can quit, including but not limited to: Hasn't bendis done all of these except for number 2 and 4? Which means we're due for the X-Men fighting galactu and Hank Pym comes out of nowhere and solves it in one panel.
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Sep 4, 2014 02:43
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Leper Residue posted:Hasn't bendis done all of these except for number 2 and 4? Which means we're due for the X-Men fighting galactu and Hank Pym comes out of nowhere and solves it in one panel. If you are counting non X men books then he has done 4 too.
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Sep 4, 2014 02:51
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CharlestheHammer posted:They all agreed it was necessary and wolves did too. At this point that's Cyclops character more then Wolverine's due to decades worth of "I'll write Wolverine/Cyclops like nobody has before!" role reversal. How anybody has a favorite of the two most interchangeable character in the X-Men I'll never understand. "We need somebody gruff and willing to do what it takes that believes in Xavier's dream." "Eye punches or claws?" SirDan3k fucked around with this message at 03:49 on Sep 4, 2014 |
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Sep 4, 2014 03:39
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The Question IRL posted:Re reading the Uncanny X-men issue reminded me of how ethical and moral Xavier was in relation to humans and mutants living together. I half expect that whenever it's Hickman's turn to be the main X-Men writer, that bringing Xavier back would probably be one of this things. Maybe that's just wishful thinking after how much I loved what he did with the Fantastic Four.
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Sep 4, 2014 04:01
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My favorite thing in the Wolverine issue was when Nuke gets to the Island and the beach is littered with the bodies of AIM, Hand and others that have come for Logan before him. Bobby threatening to freeze Scott's colon was pretty good too. Also Kitty and Nightcrawler being reunited was nice. And yea, in no way was what Prof X did wrong. He saw a kid who was a clear threat to everyone around him, and knew that he was too young to be able to truly control it. But nope, Scott and his "ALL MUTANT FREEDOM ALL THE TIME!!!!" had to get all pissy.
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Sep 4, 2014 12:51
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I don't think Scott was being pissy because MUTANT PRIDE or what have you - he was being pissy because he just found out that the guy whose teachings were the most important thing in his life pushed aside those very teachings. That is to say, Professor X never said "it would be immoral to use my psychic powers to basically partially lobotomize another mutant unless it's really important;" Xavier spent decades (okay, in Marvel time maybe a week, but still) teaching Scott Summers that the world was black and white and never even hinted at the existence of grey while simultaneously dipping his proverbial toe into those very grey areas. No one seems to be saying "Hey, the Professor shouldn't've done this." It's more "Hey, if the Professor was going to do this, it would have been nice if he'd told us about it instead of pretending that it never happened while also telling us to never consider doing that same sort of thing." (It's OK If A
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Sep 4, 2014 13:09
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:(It's OK If A The only moral mutant lobotomy is my mutant lobotomy!
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Sep 4, 2014 16:31
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Scott is totally going to take that mutant in instead of mind wipe him too.
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Sep 4, 2014 17:35
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He had a normal-ish childhood, that means he's evil. Otherwise the whole X-Men school dynamic is proven pointless and stupid.
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Sep 4, 2014 18:47
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Codependent Poster posted:Scott is totally going to take that mutant in instead of mind wipe him too. Please, like that guy's not gonna go nuclear or something then blow himself up by the end of the story. Alternate end: poo poo gets too real and Rachel/Emma/all the other psychics on both teams band together to do the exact same thing Xavier did while Scott stands around yelling about morals and Wolverine says something that doesn't matter because he's a dead man walking.
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Sep 4, 2014 20:19
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Man, I like Peter David's downtime issues more than any other writer, I think. He's got a great handle on the soapy aspects of the shared marvel universe.
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Sep 4, 2014 21:46
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I'm gonna be sad when they take Quicksilver away from him to put on Avengers. He's so drat good with that character.
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Sep 4, 2014 23:08
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Codependent Poster posted:I'm gonna be sad when they take Quicksilver away from him to put on Avengers. He's so drat good with that character. Same with Gambit. No X-Editorial better take him away from X-Factor.
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hope and vaseline posted:Man, I like Peter David's downtime issues more than any other writer, I think. He's got a great handle on the soapy aspects of the shared marvel universe. I think Bendis had his moments as well. There was one issue of his Illuminati that initially was promoted as "the wives of the Illuminati find out!!!!" and even had them all on the cover. But instead, it was just the Illuminati being all "women. Amirite?" and it was one of Bendis' best moments.
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Sep 5, 2014 16:05
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notthegoatseguy posted:I think Bendis had his moments as well. There was one issue of his Illuminati that initially was promoted as "the wives of the Illuminati find out!!!!" and even had them all on the cover. But instead, it was just the Illuminati being all "women. Amirite?" and it was one of Bendis' best moments. Didn't the other guys shame Tony for being with Madame Masque? I think someone described her as female Doctor Doom or something like that. I remember that issue; it was funny.
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Sep 5, 2014 16:09
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radlum posted:Didn't the other guys shame Tony for being with Madame Masque? I think someone described her as female Doctor Doom or something like that. I remember that issue; it was funny.
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Sep 5, 2014 16:27
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Finally catching up with last week's comics: LOL @ Death of Wolverine and Reed saying "We're not that close" about Tony Stark and Hank McCoy. Why isn't Soule writing the Wolverine ongoing? Much better than the poo poo writer on it currently. Last month's X-Factor was a brilliant issue. This issue was a bit of a let down. I mean, I get that Quicksilver needed that baggage dealt with. I don't like that it was practically hand waved away. But I think PAD did the best he could with that kind of story.
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Sep 10, 2014 13:33
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notthegoatseguy posted:LOL @ Death of Wolverine and Reed saying "We're not that close" about Tony Stark and Hank McCoy. Reed was saying he and Wolverine weren't close. "I understand, we're not close" was a reply to Wolverine saying Reed was the last on his list of geniuses.
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notthegoatseguy posted:Why isn't Soule writing the Wolverine ongoing? Much better than the poo poo writer on it currently. "poo poo" is generally not how Paul Cornell is described. His Wolverine isn't very good, I'll grant.
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