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Goffer posted:ok fine heres some from one of them Are these things that Anita cited in her videos? That was what I was asking about, I was criticizing her for not citing her sources very well. EDIT: Wait, I have to pay to read these? Well I'm not dropping 8 bucks to read a scientific journal but...I mean, surely these aren't what Anita was sourcing either? BottledBodhisvata fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Sep 4, 2014 |
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MrQwerty posted:This is called lacking in journalistic integrity True enough, I'd fit right in with a game journalist. Has anyone actually watched them? Do they give examples of good? That's mostly what I'm curious about.
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fnox posted:i personally find ke$ha being a thing teenage girls like more problematic than dead or alive being a thing teenage boys like. Ke$ha owns tho, and fighting games are stupid.
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BottledBodhisvata posted:Are these things that Anita cited in her videos? That was what I was asking about, I was criticizing her for not citing her sources very well. It's in the videos, her blog has it written down though: http://www.feministfrequency.com/ fnox posted:so repetitive exposure to extreme violence and mindless gunplay has made school shootings happen then? That and easy access to guns, probably, yeah
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Sep 4, 2014 01:26
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boom boom boom posted:Ke$ha owns tho, and fighting games are stupid. You gotta admit that fight at the end of MGS4 was pretty good.
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fnox posted:i personally find ke$ha being a thing teenage girls like more problematic than dead or alive being a thing teenage boys like.
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Sep 4, 2014 01:26
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Al Borland posted:I haven't watched more than like a few minutes of her videos because they're awful. Post your YouTube history please
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Sep 4, 2014 01:27
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Goffer posted:Repetitive exposure to casual and explicit sexism as the norm? I'm sure it won't have any negative effect on impressionable minds. I just don't feel it. You can google the exact opposite and in over 60 years of study there is no scientific consensus on whether sexual objectification leads to real life consequences. Remember there have been studies that some particles can move faster than light, yet Relativity wasn't disproved.
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Sep 4, 2014 01:29
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Al Borland posted:Has anyone actually watched them? Do they give examples of good? That's mostly what I'm curious about.
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Goffer posted:ok fine heres some from one of them which one. which video.
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Sep 4, 2014 01:31
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Are all the studies you posted pure garbage like the first one? Because the meat I got out of it is that men who played Leisure Suit Larry for a certain amount of time can magically unscramble dirty words faster in the junior jumble and boom that's proof of a problem. That's some good academic work right there, your tax dollars spent well.
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THE PENETRATOR posted:which one. which video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBCxBqAmdAU
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Goffer posted:ok fine heres some from one of them excuse me but did you actually even read any of the poo poo you linked? you probably didn't since they are most behind paywalls, but you're quoting poo poo that speaks of things like "Likelihood to Sexually Harass (LSH) scale". one study quotes a sample of "Male and female participants (N = 301) who were players of networked video games were invited to participate in an anonymous online survey" which is a pitifully small sample for an anonymous survey, which already has certain errors and biases due to its anonymous nature. you also posted two links to basically the same study which speaks of the Proteus effect, which are about self-representation, and don't even talk about male attitudes. but anyway, the only study you posted that I can actually read bases its loving hypothesis on how fast people can say sexual words after playing games like Leisure Suit Larry. you tell me how objective that poo poo is. you can't just quote studies to prove your point lol you gotta read them.
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EasternBronze posted:"I think this woman's unrealistically large chest negatively influences our society." point B does not invalidate point A just for the record
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Goffer posted:That and easy access to guns, probably, yeah try "easy access to guns" and "significant flaws in the american educational system causes asocial and violent tendencies in kids go entirely unnoticed and unreported until it's way too late to treat them."
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Posting links to studies is usually a hail mary in online debate, operating under the "Nobody is going to check on this poo poo anyway" principle.
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People think about sex after playing games about sex. I'm convinced. Can't get behind pay walls for now, sorry.
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fnox posted:excuse me but did you actually even read any of the poo poo you linked? you probably didn't since they are most behind paywalls, but you're quoting poo poo that speaks of things like "Likelihood to Sexually Harass (LSH) scale". one study quotes a sample of "Male and female participants (N = 301) who were players of networked video games were invited to participate in an anonymous online survey" which is a pitifully small sample for an anonymous survey, which already has certain errors and biases due to its anonymous nature. We're not holding presidential elections dude you don't need to get 905+ samples I don't think you know how science works. EDIT: if you did yo'd have access like me  Also her videos aren't all about male attitudes it's kinda dumb and narrow minded to think that. Stop being so self centered.
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Fluo posted:Theres some who have 3 or 4 accounts because they hit the 1000 tweets a day cap. That is unsurprising and sad
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Goffer posted:We're not holding presidential elections dude you don't need to get 905+ samples I don't think you know how science works. See, now, I gave you the benefit of the doubt, your findings were proven to be somewhat weak and you are unwilling or unable to actually point out where Anita cited any of these studies, which we can't read in detail due to a paywall, but whose findings seem to be, as stated above, "Playing a game about sex makes you think about sex". None of these seem to suggest that there's an inherent link between violence against women and violence in video games. You notice that I wrote a really long post about how people can't have a dialog, because they keep talking at each other rather than with each other? You are being disgenuous and dishonest, and I don't think my post nor my position warranted that.
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Goffer posted:We're not holding presidential elections dude you don't need to get 905+ samples I don't think you know how science works. EDIT: if you did yo'd have access like me Paying money to get behind a paywall doesn't make you an expert and those studies done on video games are poo poo. Being able to unscramble a dirty word faster after playing Leisure Suit Larry isn't indicative of a goddamn thing except people conducting a study with an agenda already in mind.
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Goffer posted:ok fine heres some from one of them Nice studies do you have studies about what in the media makes someone such a psychopath they'd cheat on a partner with five other people? That's a pretty serious traumatic torture to inflict on someone psychologically. What causes the perpetration of cheating? Videogames? Pop music?
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Goffer posted:We're not holding presidential elections dude you don't need to get 905+ samples I don't think you know how science works. EDIT: if you did yo'd have access like me yes if you're gonna do an "anonymous online survey" and link to that in your study you need a way larger sample than 300 people. 300 people is loving nothing, specially considering that in anonymous online surveys one person can submit 10 surveys as their own and you can never know. http://www.resecon.com/news/insights/how-anonymity-in-surveys-impacts-validity/ her videos aren't, the two stupid loving studies you posted aren't either. i'm talking about the studies.
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Has Sarkeesian covered the Senran Kagura series yet?
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canada jezus posted:Posting links to studies is usually a hail mary in online debate, operating under the "Nobody is going to check on this poo poo anyway" principle. they literally asked for them
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Let's get Nate Silver in on #GamerGate polling and stats
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The Monkey Man posted:Has Sarkeesian covered the Senran Kagura series yet? accurate depiction of women
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i don't think anybody wants to cover the senran kagura series.
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Goffer posted:It's in the videos, her blog has it written down though: http://www.feministfrequency.com/ By the way, I went on her blog. Here are, um, here are her sources for the first video you see: "Anita Sarkeesian, the 41st most important voice in gaming posted:LINKS AND RESOURCES quote:About Quinnae What the gently caress
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Trapezium Dave posted:The last one brought up Papo & Yo as a counter-example on how to write a story about abuse. Wait what? What game is an example about abuse?
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Al Borland posted:Wait what? What game is an example about abuse? fnox posted:i don't think anybody wants to cover the senran kagura series.
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Sep 4, 2014 01:56
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How do you pronounce "Quinnae"
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The Monkey Man posted:Has Sarkeesian covered the Senran Kagura series yet? I sent here a tweet about kill la kill but I don't think she's ever going to review anime.
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Does "trans Latina" mean that she's transseual, transracial, or both?
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The Landstander posted:How do you pronounce "Quinnae" Cunnay The Monkey Man posted:Does "trans Latina" mean that she's transseual, transracial, or both? Yes. There's a tiny little picture of him/her along with that blurb. She looks...like what you'd expect.
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Oh, okay, just have read the one on Proteus effect. It was better than the one about blokes reacting to filthy words. I've learned that there's a thing called Rape Myth Acceptance Scale (go test yourself, shitlords, http://www.hhs.gov/ash/oah/oah-initiatives/paf/508-assets/conf-2011-herman-irma.pdf No, seriously, that's fascinating stuff). What I don't get, though, in this experiment they only tested people with RMAS after their experiences with avatars. They didn't divide their sample groups by any parameters other than race, too. So how could they establish that it's the avatar what affected those women's self-perception? There's also this paragraph that I find baffling. quote:Quinn et al. (2006)previously found that women who tried on a swimsuit reported more body-related thoughts afterwards than women who had tried on a sweater. Similarly, women in this study who ‘‘tried on’’ a sexualized avatar reported more body-related thoughts than women who ‘‘tried on’’ a nonsexualized avatar. These findings indicate that wearing sexualized avatars in virtual environments and video games may lead to a similar experience of self-objectification as women wearing revealing clothing in the physical world. Following the Proteus effect, the results indicate that women who wear sexualized avatars may internalize the features of their avatars and start perceiving themselves in a sexually objectified manner Note: just an hour ago I was been playing a game as some sort of a mermaid (that I don't think I find very attractive), so my judgment may be hazed by horrors of video games.
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BottledBodhisvata posted:Yes. There's a tiny little picture of him/her along with that blurb. She looks...like what you'd expect. Are you telling me that people can be transrace now? Is that really a thing?
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Tobias Grant posted:Are you telling me that people can be transrace now? She is white but eats tacos.
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