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Ghostpilot posted:I recalled hearing that back in the day, the 1-2-3 Kid was the test for newcomers to the company - if they couldn't have at least a decent match with him, chances are they weren't going to make it. Christian used to but he's been injured so much it hasn't been useful lately
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Ghostpilot posted:I recalled hearing that back in the day, the 1-2-3 Kid was the test for newcomers to the company - if they couldn't have at least a decent match with him, chances are they weren't going to make it. Not really as far as I'm aware, it's much different than back then, since back then you didn't have a dedicated developmental system, and there were still vestiges of territories and there was WCW. At that time, they threw people in dark matches at a TV taping to see how the crowd reacted - these days they have closed door tryouts at NXT, followed by months to years of being in developmental before someone goes to the main roster - plenty of vetting.
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I think Val Venis also had the role in the post-Invasion WWE for a good few years. I remember him being the one they reportedly had New Jack attempt to have a match with (when he was considered for the John Cena stabbing angle) only to find out New Jack can't wrestle.
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Sep 4, 2014 14:57
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On the other hand, Cena would have at least looked like he'd been stabbed.
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Sep 4, 2014 14:58
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I think even New Jack pointed out how retarded it was to bring him in expecting him to do a straight wrestling match.
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Sep 4, 2014 15:01
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Is it Curtis Axel?
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Grendels Dad posted:John Cena. i mean that is kinda true, if you can't have at least a passable match with cena at this point there's probably not much hope for you
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Sep 4, 2014 15:14
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To be fair, most of Cena's matches are passable. It's just that the endings make no sense and no-sell whatever happened before.
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Sep 4, 2014 15:20
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What effect if any has the end of the brand split in 2011 had on Smackdown's ratings? The show seems so unimportant now and I have no plans to watch it when it moves even though I seldom have plans Wednesday night. Much less people on here seem to watch it compared to a couple years ago, and I was wondering if the ratings have noticeably decreased in that timeframe.
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I looked to see if Val Venis and Waltman ever had matches together, and I found this: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8uzfd_val-venis-vs-x-pac_sport Great stuff.
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Sep 4, 2014 16:13
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Less than 10 seconds in - that match had a 60 minute time limit!
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Sep 4, 2014 16:15
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LividLiquid posted:Is it Curtis Axel? I'd think he would be the guy if they had one. Nobody can pull bad wrestlers to the gates of "meh, passable" like Curtis Axel.
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Sep 4, 2014 16:37
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EugeneJ posted:I looked to see if Val Venis and Waltman ever had matches together, and I found this: That pop for Goldust's music is ridiculous.
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Sep 4, 2014 17:07
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HulkaMatt posted:Less than 10 seconds in - that match had a 60 minute time limit! speaking of which when did they do away with announced falls/time limits? it seemed weirdly anachronistic in the attitude era but i think they could stand to bring back 10/15 minute time limits on TV matches these days just to give them an out that isn't the same tedious gently caress finishes we see every week
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Ghostpilot posted:I recalled hearing that back in the day, the 1-2-3 Kid was the test for newcomers to the company - if they couldn't have at least a decent match with him, chances are they weren't going to make it. As some have said, yeah, it's Curtis Axel. He was the one who they had give The Rock his tune-up matches on his return because they trust him in the ring more than most people. So was Curt Hawkins, apparently. I've heard Tyson Kidd has somewhat of the same distinction, which is probably why they sent him down to NXT because they had no main card angles for him. Why has it historically been so difficult for top babyfaces to have long-term friends in WWE? Why does everyone have to be a loner? I get the whole "I can do it all by myself" hero thing, but all the best story heroes win with the help of their friends and allies. Hogan/Savage was basically to set up a feud, I can't remember Attitude top faces having lasting friendships ever, Cena's A Bad Friend has been a running joke for years, face Orton was always a loner, and they removed Reigns from Ambrose as soon as they decided to give him the torch. It puts everyone over by association, so why are faces so rarely allies?
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sticklefifer posted:As some have said, yeah, it's Curtis Axel. He was the one who they had give The Rock his tune-up matches on his return because they trust him in the ring more than most people. So was Curt Hawkins, apparently. I've heard Tyson Kidd has somewhat of the same distinction, which is probably why they sent him down to NXT because they had no main card angles for him. I think WWE just like the 'every man for himself' idea. It's a thing in wrestling that friendships only last as long as they need to before they do a turn. One of the things I liked in the Attitude era is there were a lot of alliances. You have factions, but people within that had individual feuds, it wasn't just all about what the faction are doing. It allowed people to have 'friends' so when someone did a run in or something like that then it was understandable.
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sticklefifer posted:
They barely book anything beyond the main event to have an actual story so in the event that some top baby-face has face-friends it is 9 times out of 10 because he's facing a heel who is leading a team and the other faces are the team's current opponents. IE: They don't really bother giving faces any motivation to be friends beyond "Oh hey, you're fighting these guys too." The only exception to the rule I can think of is on-again off-again friends like the Brothers of Destruction or DX where they have their spats and are back to being friends ever other year.
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Sep 4, 2014 19:45
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sticklefifer posted:They don't mention spouses or children unless they want to be on TV, and only then if they want to make an angle out of it. Reigns has a daughter, so does Orton, etc. This is funny. I watch a lot of old NWA poo poo on the network and it seems like every face's motivation is to provide for his family, and the dastardly heel's cowardly attack is preventing them from doing that.
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Daniel Bryan posted:The story is also told that Orton was to be the next big thing up until his botched WHC run. He was supposed to get the HHH feud into Mania 21 but Batista got the spot instead. This is a crosspost from the Podcast thread, but I recently watched the Batista doc on the Network, and they seemed to be pretty dismissive of Orton during the entire thing. Was he on the outs for some reason when they made it, or was it just a case of reducing his status because of Randy and Dave's similar career paths?
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Sep 4, 2014 22:10
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When did WWE stop doing surprise run ins and instead always play the guy's music while he hits the ring?
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birdlaw posted:This is a crosspost from the Podcast thread, but I recently watched the Batista doc on the Network, and they seemed to be pretty dismissive of Orton during the entire thing. Was he on the outs for some reason when they made it, or was it just a case of reducing his status because of Randy and Dave's similar career paths? Wasn't that around the time he was getting Wellnessed every few months as well as having behavioral problems backstage? Bigass Moth posted:When did WWE stop doing surprise run ins and instead always play the guy's music while he hits the ring? I'm not sure when it happened, but it's ridiculous. If it's an "unplanned surprise", especially if it's supposed to be a sneak attack, how would anyone know what music to play and when? Or do the guys in the production trucks just see someone running by Gorilla or through the crowd and figure "poo poo's going down, better play that guy's music!"
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Bigass Moth posted:When did WWE stop doing surprise run ins and instead always play the guy's music while he hits the ring? They didn't, it still happens occasionally. Ambrose is a good example as of late. It's a combination of less run-ins in general from Attitude Era-and later booking and also wanting to get cheap pops by hitting the music of established faces as much as possible.
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Can anyone explain why Shawn Stasiak was a jobber joke when he was Stan Stasiak's son and also a legit amateur?
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Bigass Moth posted:Can anyone explain why Shawn Stasiak was a jobber joke when he was Stan Stasiak's son and also a legit amateur? The guy was really weird and creeped out the locker room, especially when he taped a backstage conversation as "a rib" which led to his firing. I'm thinking that had something to do with it.
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Bigass Moth posted:Can anyone explain why Shawn Stasiak was a jobber joke when he was Stan Stasiak's son and also a legit amateur? He was a god awful wrestler/performer, so bad people thought being paired with him would tank Kiebler's career.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:I'm not sure when it happened, but it's ridiculous. If it's an "unplanned surprise", especially if it's supposed to be a sneak attack, how would anyone know what music to play and when? Or do the guys in the production trucks just see someone running by Gorilla or through the crowd and figure "poo poo's going down, better play that guy's music!" It's been well established that all wrestlers have RFID chips in their boots and their themes trigger whenever they enter an arena. 
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sticklefifer posted:It's been well established that all wrestlers have RFID chips in their boots and their themes trigger whenever they enter Fixed.
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sticklefifer posted:I can't remember Attitude top faces having lasting friendships ever Dude...Rock N'Sock
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birdlaw posted:This is a crosspost from the Podcast thread, but I recently watched the Batista doc on the Network, and they seemed to be pretty dismissive of Orton during the entire thing. Was he on the outs for some reason when they made it, or was it just a case of reducing his status because of Randy and Dave's similar career paths? That might have been one of those all-too-rare moments where someone in the company remembered that Orton actually sucks.
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sticklefifer posted:Why has it historically been so difficult for top babyfaces to have long-term friends in WWE? Why does everyone have to be a loner? I get the whole "I can do it all by myself" hero thing, but all the best story heroes win with the help of their friends and allies. Hogan/Savage was basically to set up a feud, I can't remember Attitude top faces having lasting friendships ever, Cena's A Bad Friend has been a running joke for years, face Orton was always a loner, and they removed Reigns from Ambrose as soon as they decided to give him the torch. It puts everyone over by association, so why are faces so rarely allies? I don't know poo poo about wrestling but it seems like baby faces being loners is more conducive to booking them as underdogs.
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Sep 5, 2014 04:53
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Exactly, heel faction = cowards who need multiple people to back them up. Lonely face = hero who struggles alone and still comes out on top.
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Sep 5, 2014 07:00
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When you put it like that, it's hardly surprising that almost everyone in the rasslin' industry is super right wing
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Has there ever been a good little man/big man match where the little guy dominates with speed and agility?
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Sep 5, 2014 16:20
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ZDar Fan posted:Has there ever been a good little man/big man match where the little guy dominates with speed and agility? That's like Spike Dudley's entire career.
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Bigass Moth posted:That's like Spike Dudley's entire career. ZDar Fan posted:Has there ever been a good little man/big man match where the little guy dominates with speed and agility? Akira Tozawa matches are great for that. He picks up momentum and just throws himself at people until they fall down, so I'd gander that a lot of Dragon Gate is like that. WCW Cruiserweight competing for the US/TV title also seem to fit that mold, especially someone like Dean Malenko
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Sep 5, 2014 16:46
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You're doubting the history of "the Giant Killer" Spike Dudley?
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Sep 5, 2014 16:52
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Flameingblack posted:Probably a lot of Rey Mysterio matches, I'm not sure. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR_DgTcUgWk
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Sep 5, 2014 17:07
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Spike Dudley's whole bit was that he'd either surprise a big guy and beat him in like five seconds, or he'd run into someone mean like Bam Bam Bigelow or Mike Awesome who'd just kick his rear end.
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Sep 5, 2014 17:30
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I read somewhere after Bruiser Brody got killed in Puerto Rico there was some conspiracy of works inside works to somehow get the Yakuza to kill Invader #1 that involved a Japanese wrestler blading himself at a press conference and saying Invader stabbed him too, until the Japanese fans turned on the whole thing at how stupid it is. The gently caress was up with that?
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Why didn't anyone tell me that this existed? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learning_the_Ropes
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