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ulmont posted:Also Jesus loving Christ, that reread is from February 2012 and we still don't have the third book. What the gently caress has Rothfuss been doing for the last 3 years?
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Whalley posted:He ran a Youtube channel for Geek and Sundry where he had video chats with other authors about literary conventions in the fantasy genre, he teaches at a university, he's been on ridiculous amounts of book tours thanks to his insane popularity, and he's a writer for the upcoming game Torment: Tides of Numenara. Plus, he writes short stories, runs a charity, and is raising a young kid. I mean, the guy's not a great writer, but he's also not only a novelist. quote:April 18, 2007 ...oh, wait. Whalley posted:Sorry he's not writing books you don't like faster?
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ulmont posted:So basically, he's been having fun being an Acclaimed Fantasy Novelist rather than actually writing fantasy novels. At least Rothfuss didn't lie to us in 2007 and say that book two would be out in 2009 and book three would be out in 2010
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Aug 20, 2014 19:08
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Sometimes people complain about how slowly an author is writing because they really want to read the next book and are not actually making a personal attack on the author. You don't have to read entitlement into everything.
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Aug 20, 2014 19:42
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I dunno, "jesus christ what the gently caress has rothfuss being doing" seemed pretty aggressive. Dude's got a lot on his plate, and with one of them being a charity I support, I get defensive. It sucks that he doesn't write faster, but there's plenty of other, better books out there.
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Aug 20, 2014 19:46
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I can't fault people for being a bit grumpy about release dates when Rothfuss kept saying that the entire trilogy was already written. Editing typically is not a process that takes several years!
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Maybe it was plotted out all the way to the end and not totally written. Or maybe his first draft was horrible and his publishers said no. Or maybe he scrapped the whole thing and is rewriting it because aliens possesed his body and he needs to add more subliminal messages about how much fun it is being fed into their chemical harvesters.
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In that case, Rothfuss' definition of "already written" is pretty different from what anyone else would go with! Heck, the quote from this page is quote:The trilogy is already written all the way through to the end, but there is still some editorial work to be done.
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Yeah, I'm just saying poo poo happens and they'll be out when they'll be out. My sincere belief is that its not going to be a trilogy and we may not ever see the end of this thing. I don't really see how he can wrap everything up in one book unless there is not a single wasted chapter and poo poo starts happening right from the beginning.
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Srice posted:I can't fault people for being a bit grumpy about release dates when Rothfuss kept saying that the entire trilogy was already written. Editing, especially if you're a poo poo writer, can indeed take longer than drafting. It's a more thoughtful, interrogative process than just slopping words onto a page, if only marginally so. I could very well imagine that Rothfuss finished the rough draft, and then just hasn't found the time to make it presentable.
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Solice Kirsk posted:Yeah, I'm just saying poo poo happens and they'll be out when they'll be out. My sincere belief is that its not going to be a trilogy and we may not ever see the end of this thing. I don't really see how he can wrap everything up in one book unless there is not a single wasted chapter and poo poo starts happening right from the beginning. That may be. I just wish he weren't a liar.
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I've seen some interviews with Rothfuss. He revises his books 100s of times before release. Literally. He said his first book had 200 plus beta readers, and his beta readers get a full manuscript and a red pen. Revision isn't just commas and capitalization either. Auri wasn't in the book for a long time, for example. He's been very honest about what happened with him saying the books would be out soon. He had been an amateur writer for something like 14 years, and he was completely unprepared for suddenly being a professional writer. Part of that was all the publicity work he had to do. Part of that was that he felt like he was learning a lot about writing and he wanted to make sure the second book was written at his current standard and not his standard from a decade ago. Also he had a child. Basically, he made the extremely common and reasonable mistake of being grossly overoptimistic. He learned from his mistake and he doesn't make promises like that anymore. As for being a trilogy, he's been very consistent and insistent that the story Kvothe is telling Chronicler will be three books. I believe him. I think this means we will resolve things like "Why is the world lovely?" and "why is Kvothe washed up in an inn?" but we won't see the world get fixed or anything. Kvothe redeeming himself feels like it will be another story.
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Whalley posted:What if he's not a liar Considering that in an earlier interview he said they were all done and just needed editting. And then in a later interview he reveals that he made have told a BIT OF A FIB when he said they were done. Like his draft of the second book got a few chapters in and then the rest of the chapters just had [INSERT SOME AMBROSE PLOT HERE] and really was, in fact, more of an outline. That's probably why the books are taking so long.
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Rothfuss lied. Goons cried.
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I have no problem with the books taking a while to come out because I enjoy them and the man can live his own life. I do think Rothfuss has become a bit of a... peacock/puffed up from his success? I'm not sure what the right word is to be honest but it seems like he enjoys his fame/celebrity (in fantasy/internet) circles more than he does writing. Which is totally great, I mean it is his life, but all of these other engagements he's currently involved in are based on the fact that he wrote a couple of successful fantasy novels. The issue is the same people who are now going to see him speak at conventions, donating to his charity, and continuing to support these other ventures of his want the third book. This means he can't tell them, "Hey I'm taking a break from writing for a while to pursue other ventures." because his other ventures would dry up if his fan base turned on him. Thus we continually get, "It was done but I need to do massive edits!" or "It was really more of an outline than a completed story..." and other back pedaling. That's my interpretation anyway.
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I'm actually happy he's taking his sweet-rear end time with Book 3, because I'm planning to whiz through a re-read of the first two shortly before the third is released, and that gives my weed-addled mind more time to forget most of the story & thus enjoy the re-read more fully.
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Aug 21, 2014 18:34
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Why your fantasy novel should have sex ninjas:
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Campbell posted:That's a great pic, I can't tell which one of them is more underwhelmed They are just trying to stay in-character.
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The one on the left is signing "cautious optimism. " If they really wanted to be impressive they should have worn the whites.
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shrughes posted:Why your fantasy novel should have sex ninjas: Someone show Terry Goodkind this picture.
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I think this guy is the only fantasy author dorkier than George R. R. Martin. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-UGa1nWIfo
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That was awesome. I also like that he actually recommends a charity he's looked into and feels is good.
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Undeclared Eggplant posted:I think this guy is the only fantasy author dorkier than George R. R. Martin. ...and how much did he donate? This is like Kony 2012 levels of slacktivism.
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shrughes posted:Why your fantasy novel should have sex ninjas: what is it with nerds and wearing tube socks with shorts?
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Blue Raider posted:what is it with nerds and wearing tube socks with shorts? Be happy they do or there would be one less layer between their nasty foot-stank and your nostrils
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Maud Moonshine posted:Once you're done with those, I can't recommend Robin Hobb enough. She has a lot of different books to choose from, but I'd say start with Assassin's Apprentice. It's similar to Name of the Wind in that you've got a framing device, a single-person narrator, good prose. I get to go have a book signed by her tomorrow, I'm totally excited. Seconding this, the protagonist of the Assassin's Apprentice series has a lot of surface similarities to Kvothe - tough childhood, unusual skills and aptitudes, telling the story from an perspective that reveals that at least some of his ambitions were unfulfilled - but I feel like they play out in a more plausible way. I think the key difference from Kvothe is that even though Fitz is a character with a lot of the potential Mary Sue qualities like semi-royal parentage, having both special magics in their world including being able to talk to animals , etc., he seems to gently caress up as much or more than anyone else. He's impulsive and makes a lot of unilateral decisions that cause problems in a realistic way. When he gets beaten up, it takes time for him to recover. When he lashes out at people or keeps secrets from them, it drives them away. He has a teenager's rock-solid belief that nobody else understands his problems like he does, and it bites him in the rear end repeatedly. There are other characters who are better at everything he does, and will kick his rear end if needed. This all comes together to make a character who's interestingly capable, but not boring to read, because the reader has a pretty clear sense of his limitations as well as his abilities.
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Neremworld posted:Didn't all of that happen in the last few hundred pages of the book? That doesn't really refute complaints about not much happening in the book. I just got done reading a fantastic 300 page YA novel where like, a huge amount more stuff happened in those three hundred pages then happened in like what? 1500 pages? That's the real problem. Well, there was all the really cool poo poo that happened while Kvothe was travelling all summed up in a few lines, conveniently omitting how the superb and expensive lute case made it through the whirlwind of redacted adventure while still requiring Kvothe to recite poetry for money instead of playing music. Annoying, and not really early in the book to begin with. You're right about not much happening early on. The first forty percent of the book had very little happening outside of the usual struggles with
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Helena Handbasket posted:Seconding this, the protagonist of the Assassin's Apprentice series has a lot of surface similarities to Kvothe - tough childhood, unusual skills and aptitudes, telling the story from an perspective that reveals that at least some of his ambitions were unfulfilled - but I feel like they play out in a more plausible way. Totally agree with that one. Also other characters in The Farseer Trilogy other than Fitz are essential in helping him in major ways, helping him do stuff he otherwise couldn't. Whereas in Kvothe is more than capable to deal with the majority of his Issues alone. Sure he gets some help sometimes but its always him that does the hard/major part or comes up with the ideas. This in combination with the fact that when things happen in Kvothe's books, they generally revolve around him whilst in Fitz his world there are major developments detailed on a much bigger scale. THis culminates in that the reader views the world in The Name of the Wind right from behind Kvothe's shoulder whilst the reader of Assassin's Apprentice sees a much broader scale of things. I think that's what creates the major differences in atmosphere between these two books.
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PaulDirac posted:Totally agree with that one. Also other characters in The Farseer Trilogy other than Fitz are essential in helping him in major ways, helping him do stuff he otherwise couldn't. Whereas in Kvothe is more than capable to deal with the majority of his Issues alone. Sure he gets some help sometimes but its always him that does the hard/major part or comes up with the ideas. This in combination with the fact that when things happen in Kvothe's books, they generally revolve around him whilst in Fitz his world there are major developments detailed on a much bigger scale. THis culminates in that the reader views the world in The Name of the Wind right from behind Kvothe's shoulder whilst the reader of Assassin's Apprentice sees a much broader scale of things. I think that's what creates the major differences in atmosphere between these two books. I'm glad to see others enjoy it as much as I did. I'm a little over two thirds of the way through a reread of the Tawny Man trilogy in preparation for reading her new one and I was surprised to see no discussion thread for it, given how heavily this forum skews towards fantasy. Is it being discussed at all in the general Fantasy thread? I've been avoiding it in case there are spoilers. If not, when I've finished Fool's Assassin I may have to make a thread myself.
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PaulDirac posted:Totally agree with that one. Also other characters in The Farseer Trilogy other than Fitz are essential in helping him in major ways, helping him do stuff he otherwise couldn't. Whereas in Kvothe is more than capable to deal with the majority of his Issues alone. Sure he gets some help sometimes but its always him that does the hard/major part or comes up with the ideas. This in combination with the fact that when things happen in Kvothe's books, they generally revolve around him whilst in Fitz his world there are major developments detailed on a much bigger scale. THis culminates in that the reader views the world in The Name of the Wind right from behind Kvothe's shoulder whilst the reader of Assassin's Apprentice sees a much broader scale of things. I think that's what creates the major differences in atmosphere between these two books. There is also the fact that Fitz Suffers. Onscreen. Not "oh, things might have gone badly offscreen". Moreoever, it also has Fitz constantly evolving thorough the story.
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Arkeus posted:There is also the fact that Fitz Suffers. Onscreen. Not "oh, things might have gone badly offscreen". Moreoever, it also has Fitz constantly evolving thorough the story. That's actually why I stopped reading the series; it felt like torture porn. How many more ways can Hobb torture Fitz?
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Velius posted:That's actually why I stopped reading the series; it felt like torture porn. How many more ways can Hobb torture Fitz? Serious? I never experienced it as that extreme at all. Compared to a vast majority of literature, Fitz's troubles were a cake walk.
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PaulDirac posted:Serious? I never experienced it as that extreme at all. Compared to a vast majority of literature, Fitz's troubles were a cake walk. Yeah, I've never understood that criticism. Sure, Fitz goes through a lot of poo poo, but it's nothing compared to what, say, the protagonist(s) in a Tad Williams book go through.
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Velius posted:That's actually why I stopped reading the series; it felt like torture porn. How many more ways can Hobb torture Fitz? I wouldn't call it torture porn but as much as I love Robin Hobb I was genuinely sad to see that she is bringing Fitz back for a new trilogy. I loved that he finally got a happy ending at the end of the Tawny Man trilogy so my first thought was "oh no! Poor Fitz!" I'll still read it. Goddamn I love me some Robin Hobb.
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Keystoned posted:I wouldn't call it torture porn but as much as I love Robin Hobb I was genuinely sad to see that she is bringing Fitz back for a new trilogy. I loved that he finally got a happy ending at the end of the Tawny Man trilogy so my first thought was "oh no! Poor Fitz!" I've always hated the ending to the Farseer trilogy. I know its stupid but it put me in a funk for nearly a week. Such a bad, and creepy ending and not really necessary. It went a bit too far. Fitz's adoptive father doesnt need to marry Fitz's formerly pregnant girlfriend who's old enough to be his daughter as well. They could has easily passed off as a father and his daughter who lost her husband to the recent events, they didnt need to hook up to avoid a controversy, Ugh. It didnt have to be happy but it didnt need to be that! I'm shocked how much it still irritates me and its been a good 10+ years since I read it the first time. DurosKlav fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Sep 5, 2014 |
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DurosKlav posted:I've always hated the ending to the Farseer trilogy. I know its stupid but it put me in a funk for nearly a week. Such a bad, and creepy ending and not really necessary. It went a bit too far. Fitz's adoptive father doesnt need to marry Fitz's formerly pregnant girlfriend who's old enough to be his daughter as well. They could has easily passed off as a father and his daughter who lost her husband to the recent events, they didnt need to hook up to avoid a controversy, Ugh. It didnt have to be happy but it didnt need to be that! I'm shocked how much it still irritates me and its been a good 10+ years since I read it the first time. Did you read the Tawny Man trilogy?
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