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FMguru posted:You liberals always forget that George W. Bush kept us safe. Unless you were in the military...
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Sir Tonk posted:Unless you were in the military... Or in an embassy.
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Sep 5, 2014 04:03
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MariusLecter posted:Or in an embassy. Or, you know..
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Beamed posted:Or, you know.. Hunting flightless birds with the vice president?
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Sep 5, 2014 04:05
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I'm thinking of birds of a different nature.
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Sep 5, 2014 04:40
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Shbobdb posted:"Guh, I don't get how anyone could listen to the radio for hours, they spend their whole day wrapped up in a little bubble that reinforces their worldview" -- Someone who reads and posts for hours a day on Somethingawful.com. Right-wingers do the community-reinforcement thing too 
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Sep 5, 2014 05:30
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It's not "the same poo poo". Yes righties and lefties each have loyalty to their respective groups, but one peddles misinformation and one doesn't. One is driven by ignorance and prejudice and one isn't. One adheres to extremist fundamentalism and one doesn't. One isn't willing to admit it's faults and mistakes and one is. Etc.
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MariusLecter posted:Or in an embassy. Or that one time when more American died to terrorism an the entire rest of American history.
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LaughMyselfTo posted:Right-wingers do the community-reinforcement thing too Undeniably. Freep and "Silent Majority" type bits are all about that stueck. But posting at the leftist version of Freep (I mean, Maoist Third-Worldism gets some semi-serious play around here) and talking about how brainwashed the other side is demonstrates a profound lack of perspective. But they also take it in directly. All we've got on the left are freep-style community-reinforcement sites. That feeds the "Silent Majority" since major sources are presenting a different opinion.
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Question. Am I allowed to find protesters annoying, yet find their cause just? I am asking this because I saw a Code Pink protester flash on screen on Fox News a while back, and got douche chills. It's frustrating because I agree with what they say, but I don't agree with their methods. Really the whole Bush Administration era of politics was just cringe worthy from every which way when one looks at it in retrospect.
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As long as you don't end up feeling contempt for them, such as the right demonizing those greedy fast food workers, you're ok.James Garfield posted:It's magical. Also, here's a handy new desktop for everyone. Probably should've made it 800x600 for the likely users, though.  For all the golfing he's doing, you'd think they could find more than seven photos. Sir Tonk fucked around with this message at 13:29 on Sep 5, 2014 |
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Sep 5, 2014 13:25
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FuzzySkinner posted:Question. well dont forget fox news is purposely picking pretty bad pics and giving bad impressions even if you are like 'dont trust fox news' it cant help but shape your perceptions
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Sep 5, 2014 13:34
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There is NO symmetry between the left and right of the political spectrum. "The Left does it too" is bullshit. "The Left", people that I know at least, are friends with a wide variety of people, from all groups of society. Conservatives tend to bunker down into their own little enclaves, online and in their communities. They socialize with people like themselves, people who will reinforce their warped view of the world. Liberals are far more open to new ideas, which is the whole reason I'm on this site. Outside of trolls and tongue-in-cheek conservatives, we discuss far more than "third world maoism" or Scandinavian socialism. I've seen a lot of people admit to the elegance of capitalist market mechanisms while also supporting federal social security programs. We get a very diverse mix of opinions here, based on nuanced, fact-driven analysis. You don't see that elsewhere. I think we're being overly critical of the "liberal" nature of section of the SA Forums. Don't fall for the "current center" of the political spectrum. Keep looking for truths and functional policy, not partisan bullshit or false dichotomies between fundies and the rest of us. Fundamentalism in America is warping your perspective of politics.
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There are dickbags on both sides, but the thing is conservatives consider simple facts to be offensive to them far more often than liberals do, and this goes up to the Fox news network and even elected officials. They'll straight up say things that are false ("Obama said XYZ", "ISIS is crossing the border from Mexico", "Something completely untrue about the ACA"), and if you look up the facts and repeat them without embellishment you are accused of being an obnoxious liberal. They spit on fairly conservative networks for being Useless Mainstream Media for reporting facts instead of shrieking about Benghazi. Quite honestly, the far right is such a fantasy world that reality itself has a liberal bias.
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anonumos posted:There is NO symmetry between the left and right of the political spectrum. "The Left does it too" is bullshit. "The Left", people that I know at least, are friends with a wide variety of people, from all groups of society. Conservatives tend to bunker down into their own little enclaves, online and in their communities. They socialize with people like themselves, people who will reinforce their warped view of the world. Again, that's because to be a leftist in America you have to be well educated. "Liberals" are all of the centrist pragmatic folks so obviously they're not going to be diehard in any direction except maintaining their own interests.
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Palin/West? Quitter/War Criminal? It would guarantee a third Clinton presidency. I'm not sure which is worse.
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computer parts posted:Again, that's because to be a leftist in America you have to be well educated. Don't have to be, but it certainly helps. At this point, just saying "maybe we shouldn't actively gently caress over the poor" will be enough to get you sent to the camps during CW2.
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OAquinas posted:Don't have to be, but it certainly helps. At this point, just saying "maybe we shouldn't actively gently caress over the poor" will be enough to get you sent to the camps during CW2. Actual leftist theory is so far out of the mainstream of American discourse that you aren't going to run into it at all unless you're fairly well-educated. You might be self educated but it's not something you're ever going to just casually run into. There are no leftists on American television, for example -- at best there are a few left-leaning liberals. You're never going to hear Rachel Maddow advocate for a guaranteed minimum income, for example.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Actual leftist theory is so far out of the mainstream of American discourse that you aren't going to run into it at all unless you're fairly well-educated. You might be self educated but it's not something you're ever going to just casually run into. There are no leftists on American television, for example -- at best there are a few left-leaning liberals. You're never going to hear Rachel Maddow advocate for a guaranteed minimum income, for example. I recall chris hayes talking about mincome with one of his panel guests back when he was doing Up on the weekends before All In.
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Tender Bender posted:There are dickbags on both sides, but the thing is conservatives consider simple facts to be offensive to them far more often than liberals do, and this goes up to the Fox news network and even elected officials. They'll straight up say things that are false ("Obama said XYZ", "ISIS is crossing the border from Mexico", "Something completely untrue about the ACA"), and if you look up the facts and repeat them without embellishment you are accused of being an obnoxious liberal. They spit on fairly conservative networks for being Useless Mainstream Media for reporting facts instead of shrieking about Benghazi. Quite honestly, the far right is such a fantasy world that reality itself has a liberal bias. "Two sides" is an illusion. Lawrence O'Donnell, Rachel Maddow and Melissa Harris-Perry are not leftists.
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What about in the sense that they don't hate gays?
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N. Senada posted:What about in the sense that they don't hate gays? Being admitted to the fraternity of minimally decent human beings =/= leftist
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That depends who you talk to, comrade.
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SedanChair posted:Being admitted to the fraternity of minimally decent human beings =/= leftist Maybe not where you come from, but here in America *fart noises*
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Get ready for a lot of raging about "burger-flippers" and their "entitlement" because if my Facebook feed is any indication the walk-outs yesterday are blowing up today. Personally I think the fast food poo poo is just a distraction. Fast food is literally the only job that pays minimum wage, apparently. 
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I think there are parallels between the left and the right, but the left has essentially no presence in American politics. Left meaning socialists and radical environmentalists basically. Liberals and the right have very little in common.
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So Erik Erikson is filling in for Limbaugh and is going on about how multiculturalism is a complete failure in England. Then he gets indignant about how believing this premise gets you labeled as a bigot 
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kik2dagroin posted:So Erik Erikson is filling in for Limbaugh and is going on about how multiculturalism is a complete failure in England. Then he gets indignant about how believing this premise gets you labeled as a bigot No, I agree, we should expel all the backwards savages instead of trying to uplift them to some standard of human decency. 
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kik2dagroin posted:So Erik Erikson is filling in for Limbaugh and is going on about how multiculturalism is a complete failure in England. Then he gets indignant about how believing this premise gets you labeled as a bigot Also, he's got some advice for you losers in your 30's. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/erick-erickson-minimum-wage-thirties-failed quote:“The minimum wage is mostly people who failed at life and high school kids,” Erickson said.
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Sep 5, 2014 19:01
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That'll get those millennials on your side guy!
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Sir Tonk posted:Also, he's got some advice for you losers in your 30's. Completely out of touch with reality. That might be true if there were a surplus of jobs but last I checked, that isn't the case.
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Sep 5, 2014 19:05
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Radish posted:That'll get those millennials on your side guy! Young voters are going to EAT IT UP! You'll see... 
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SedanChair posted:"Two sides" is an illusion. Lawrence O'Donnell, Rachel Maddow and Melissa Harris-Perry are not leftists. Well there are two sides. "Far right" and "kind of not exactly right but not left or center either."
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Remember NO ONE other than part time highschoolers (a small minority of the working population) should be doing minimum wage jobs, but if we ever raise it then the entire house of cards we call the American economy will come crashing down as Burger Kings and 7-11 will have to triple their prices.anonumos posted:Young voters are going to EAT IT UP! You'll see... All the young kids are hip to this new fangled Libertarianism thing!
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Radish posted:Remember NO ONE other than part time highschoolers (a small minority of the working population) should be doing minimum wage jobs, but if we ever raise it then the entire house of cards we call the American economy will come crashing down as Burger Kings and 7-11 will have to triple their prices. As mentioned before, too: the minimum wage has been raised many times in the last 100 years (sometimes pretty dramatically) and LITERALLY nothing happened as a direct result. Many of the doomsay consequences came about due to other factors, but never could they be linked to minimum wage increases. Ever. Not even once.
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anonumos posted:As mentioned before, too: the minimum wage has been raised many times in the last 100 years (sometimes pretty dramatically) and LITERALLY nothing happened as a direct result. Many of the doomsay consequences came about due to other factors, but never could they be linked to minimum wage increases. Ever. Not even once. Um by nothing bad I think you mean that it caused unemployment to skyrocket? http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rafael-cruz-average-black-minimum-wage
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Yeah, the idea that there is a "left wing" version of the media in the US is laughable. A quick look at how the "leftist" NY Times and MSNBC are treating the whole Moskowitz v de Blasio thing is pretty good proof that by most international standards the "left wing media" in the US is at best center right.
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For people who have a Fundamentalist and US Centric view of the Universes, MSNBC is "far left".
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Yeah, these are the kinds of people that consider FoxNews to be centrist.
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Sir Tonk posted:Yeah, these are the kinds of people that consider FoxNews to be centrist. And, funny enough, also think the US has no true right-wing.  We have no Republicans or mainstream conservatives pushing for full theonomy or the literal complete dismantlement of the state, you see. The GOP is just another shade of "liberal".
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