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Tulul posted:No, it's not art, it's advertising. Disneyland is entirely designed to extract the maximum amount of money from you while you're there. They're not piping cookie scent up to you to enhance your experience, they're doing it to get you to buy a cookie. It's a little bit of both, because Disney isn't selling cookies, it's selling Disney. They're not making it smell like fresh cookies so you want cookies, they're making it smell like fresh cookies to add to the greater "Disney" experience, because frankly they're not even selling cookies in plenty of places they're emitting that smell. They want you to buy into "Disney." It's just that sometimes "Disney" includes "cookies."
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Plague of Hats posted:I'm kind of surprised it's not (as far as I know) Dillons/Kroger store policy that you always wear mesh gloves handling the slicers. The number of stories about missing finger tips that I have heard from my Dillons-employed friend… Derail~ I was a Kroger produce manager & guy who got stuck with safety compliance stuff, so at least as of 1.5 years ago it absolutely was policy to wear a mesh glove with a disposable glove on top of it whenever you interacted with the slicers in any way, be it cleaning or using them to cut. Same policy goes for if you're cutting fruit/veggies in the produce backroom. I was always really anal about enforcing that, especially after I saw my ex lose a finger tip and ended up passing out on the store floor.
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Yeah, I did say that dumb. It's just hard to believe after all the horror stories (and sometimes scar show-and-tells).
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Evil Mastermind posted:Yeah, I've heard of the movie, but what I've heard wasn't to encouraging. Like they're coasting on the "filmed in secret" factor. Hell, I didn't even know it was supposed to be a horror movie. Escape From Tomorrow was really disappointing. The concept and the trailer sounded really cool but it ended up being mostly just a nonsensical plot held together by some of the most irritating protagonists ever. It really had nothing going for it other than the daring attempt to film secretly in Disney, a cool idea completely wasted on the actual movie that resulted.
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KittyEmpress posted:Anyone got any comments on Iron Kingdoms? A local group I'm with is setting up a game for it, and I dunno if I want to commit to going or not, depends on if it's poo poo.
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oriongates posted:Escape From Tomorrow was really disappointing. The concept and the trailer sounded really cool but it ended up being mostly just a nonsensical plot held together by some of the most irritating protagonists ever. It really had nothing going for it other than the daring attempt to film secretly in Disney, a cool idea completely wasted on the actual movie that resulted. Yeah, this is the only place I've ever heard it described as "decent". Like, the director clearly thinks it's an art film given that it has the required amount of bodily fluids for an art film. And even saying it HAS a plot is a little too generous. About halfway through I went out for a smoke break for ten to fifteen minutes, came back and asked if the movie part of the movie had started yet. My friend watching it told me the only thing that happened was that the main dude cut his toe. We decided that was probably the most dramatic part of the movie, aside from the obligatory art-film body fluids sequence.
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Sep 6, 2014 04:19
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This older piece on what it's like to play Jack Sparrow at Disney World is a pretty classic piece that seems relevant.
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The local season ticket holders are usually just as bad as the employees. You kind of have to be in order to want to go to any Disney park more than once every decade. I'm from Central Florida and I never really thought about it being that weird until I talked to some of those people. I've always found Disney parks to be depressing because families come from all over the world to have this "magical" experience and they just fight and argue. It really hit home for me when I was standing outside of Star Tours and a British man was laying into his son about buying some overpriced Star Wars toy. At least before that I could just imagine they're also from Florida and just there as a weekend excursion. Celebration hasn't been brought up and it's really weird. It's Disney's "model city/town/Pleasantville" and it incorporates some of the more reasonable things Walt Disney intended for Epcot when it was going to be a utopian city. It's super white and gentrified, which goes to show you Disney's view on the "ideal community". They even pay people, or at least used to, to walk their dogs in the town center to give it that all American feel. For those of you not familiar with the original EPCOT, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experimental_Prototype_Community_of_Tomorrow_%28concept%29 . It's pretty 1960's and reminds me of typical Robber Baron utopias like Fordlandia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fordl%C3%A2ndia .
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure Celebration was the cause of it.
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Well poo poo, I missed that article earlier. I even went back to those pages and searched for Celebration and it never came up. 
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On the subject of 'cookie smell', it's not just Disney that does that. Whenever you pop the top of a jar of instant coffee and get that coffee scent? That's artificial perfume, piped in just before sealing because people react better to coffee that smells strongly like coffee than coffee that doesn't smell like much at all.
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potatocubed posted:On the subject of 'cookie smell', it's not just Disney that does that. Whenever you pop the top of a jar of instant coffee and get that coffee scent? That's artificial perfume, piped in just before sealing because people react better to coffee that smells strongly like coffee than coffee that doesn't smell like much at all. Yeah, Subway stores do the this too with piping in the smell of freshly baked bread outside their stores to make people want to come in for a sandwich. Well, that is what friends say it makes them want anyway, I always thought it smelled bad; as if someone left a box of frozen pizzas out in the sun.
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The first world is a very strange place.
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Tollymain posted:The first world is a very strange place. Would you say it introduces its own set of problems? Also hi, lurker here. I don't know what to post that's relevant to tradgames though.
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Neither does anyone else.
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potatocubed posted:On the subject of 'cookie smell', it's not just Disney that does that. Whenever you pop the top of a jar of instant coffee and get that coffee scent? That's artificial perfume, piped in just before sealing because people react better to coffee that smells strongly like coffee than coffee that doesn't smell like much at all.
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Jacque Pott posted:Yeah, Subway stores do the this too with piping in the smell of freshly baked bread outside their stores to make people want to come in for a sandwich. Well, that is what friends say it makes them want anyway, I always thought it smelled bad; as if someone left a box of frozen pizzas out in the sun. Ugh, for real, Subways smell super gross.
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MadScientistWorking posted:Yeah as I said earlier dyeing foods and artificial smells are on par for a lot of foods. The difference in color between what I see at the grocery store and the fish market is astonishing.
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I'm at page 19 of grognards.txt by now and while I can figure out what "swine" means from context, what the heck is "the Forge" and "fantasy heartbreaker"? On a somewhat related note, I remember playing Baldur's Gate for the very first time when I was all of 12 and having had no idea what actual D&D mechanics were, and the concept of different classes having different amounts of exp required to level up was completely alien to me, as was THAC0 and Vancian spellcasting.
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gradenko_2000 posted:I'm at page 19 of grognards.txt by now and while I can figure out what "swine" means from context, what the heck is "the Forge" and "fantasy heartbreaker"? Please don't read grogs.txt, for your own sanity. The Forge was an RPG design community that was interested in breaking the mould of "traditional" RPG design, and which a lot of indie RPG designers have ties to. A fantasy heartbreaker is a game that is basically a crappy clone of D&D that some guy is convinced is going to be the next big thing because they've never read any RPG except D&D, but it has one neat idea buried in it; it's heartbreaking to see someone put that much effort into a crappy clone of D&D, to seem them know so little about RPG design, and to see that one good idea go to waste. "Swine" is what creepy fascist RPGPundit calls people who plays games he has arbitrarily decided are not real games because they are not crappy clones of D&D or Amber Diceless.
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A "fantasy heartbreaker" is a game that promises all sorts of things but turns out to be a bad copy of AD&D. WORLD OF SYNNIBAR is a good example. They never sell, waste several years of the designer's life and run down his retirement savings, just so the guy can fulfill his dream of being a Game Designer. A lot of times they are just the gathered house rules to someone's long-running D&D campaign, they often promise "revolutionary breakthroughs" that were invented long ago, the designer is usually unaware of the existence of non-D&D games, and the typical design is "AD&D, but with more stuff" - more spells, more classes, more characteristics, more races, longer equipment charts, more complicated combat system, and so on - just a cargo cult effort to beat Gygax because MORE RULES = BETTER THAN. There are also "90s heartbreakers" (a vampire clone, or someone trying to make "the WoD done right") which follow the same logic but with White Wolf games. They seem to have faded away, as the D20/OGL movement diverted a lot of these people into publishing their house campaign notes as D20 settings, and I think a lot of people are now publishing their "AD&D only more so" projects as PDFs with a PoD option. Still, in the used section of your FLGS or at dealers room tables at the nearby con, you'll see them sitting there, unloved and priced to move. FANTASY EARTH, SENZAR, DAWNFIRE, TERMINUS V, ARROWFLIGHT, PROTEUS, DARKURTHE LEGENDS, and on and on and on. The original article which introduced the concept is here: http://www.indie-rpgs.com/articles/9/
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One of the keys to a true fantasy heartbreaker, as Lemon Curdistan points out, is that they have to contain some small kernel of promise or a really awesome idea. That's what makes them heartbreaking, otherwise who cares.
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Kai Tave posted:One of the keys to a true fantasy heartbreaker, as Lemon Curdistan points out, is that they have to contain some small kernel of promise or a really awesome idea. That's what makes them heartbreaking, otherwise who cares. Somebody should combine all the cool ideas from all the heartbreakers into a single HIGH LORD BREAKINUS, BREAKER OF ALL HEARTS,  a heartbreaker that would rule over all the others!
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Someone brought that Synnibar game to my uni's game group last night. I'd never heard of it, and despite his very impassioned description, it sounded like wacky dogshit from some dude who thought it was more important to make a game where people could laugh at stupid character concepts with too many stats instead of a coherent game that someone would enjoy playing.
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Bucnasti posted:Somebody should combine all the cool ideas from all the heartbreakers into a single HIGH LORD BREAKINUS, BREAKER OF ALL HEARTS, FATAL already exists though? 
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Thanks for clearing up that jargon.Lemon Curdistan posted:Please don't read grogs.txt, for your own sanity. There was actually a post there that gave me an idea for a scenario (which I'm sure someone has already thought of): the PCs bust into a room, only to find that it's filled wall-to-wall with Orcs (or other appropriate mook) while the door slams shut behind them, specifically locking behind them with an audible click. The DM makes it clear to the players one way or another that there are too many monsters to beat in a straight-up fight. Once someone tries to pick the lock on the door behind the PCs, the DM does not make them roll for success. Instead, the DM places a die in the middle of the table, say a d6 with 3 facing up. The lock-picker can't fail, but he needs 3 (or however many) rounds of uninterrupted work to pick the lock, and so the rest of the party has to defend him. As a whole round of combat passes, the die increments down by one. If a mook gets through (either literally when playing with a grid/figures or narratively), the counter to unlocking the door goes up instead of down. Adjust as necessary for a Fighter trying to cleave the door open, a techie trying to hack the door open, a tinker trying to unscrew the hinges, etc etc.
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Error 404 posted:FATAL already exists though? So, uh, what's your favorite cool idea from FATAL
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Darwinism posted:So, uh, what's your favorite cool idea from FATAL 
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Darwinism posted:So, uh, what's your favorite cool idea from FATAL
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Darwinism posted:So, uh, what's your favorite cool idea from FATAL Having your friends do a horrendous garbage metal soundtrack for your game.
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Bucnasti posted:Somebody should combine all the cool ideas from all the heartbreakers into a single HIGH LORD BREAKINUS, BREAKER OF ALL HEARTS, Can you make a GURPS heartbreaker?
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RocknRollaAyatollah posted:Can you make a GURPS heartbreaker? Oh HELL no. GURPS is ridiculous enough!
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RocknRollaAyatollah posted:Can you make a GURPS heartbreaker? You mean RIFTS?
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RocknRollaAyatollah posted:Can you make a GURPS heartbreaker? Go back to The Fantasy Trip and build a new game on those foundations.
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gradenko_2000 posted:There was actually a post there that gave me an idea for a scenario (which I'm sure someone has already thought of): the PCs bust into a room, only to find that it's filled wall-to-wall with Orcs (or other appropriate mook) while the door slams shut behind them, specifically locking behind them with an audible click. The DM makes it clear to the players one way or another that there are too many monsters to beat in a straight-up fight. Team up with the orcs to find a way not to suffocate as the room slow depletes its oxygen supply. Also every time another unassuming orc enters the room everyone in the room turns and yells, "Don't shut the door! Don't shut the door!" but it's too late.
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Error 404 posted:You mean RIFTS? RIFTS just takes every setting and saddles them with a terrible system. GURPS tries to be a kitchen sink alternative to other game systems. EDIT: Maybe someone more knowledgeable of Palladium products can correct me but doesn't every one of their RPGs use the same lovely system as RIFTS with MDC? RocknRollaAyatollah fucked around with this message at 20:01 on Sep 6, 2014 |
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echopapa posted:I’ve already posted it in the TG Deals and Steals thread, but Galaga Galaxian recommended I put it here, too: Hey Echo, I had a question about the game. When a player's action results in a new crisis, are you supposed to just roll a new one, or is the GM just supposed to think of something suitable that might've resulted from the action? I assume the latter, and the example kind of supports this, but it could be the former (a roll of 7,3 "Espionage, Presidential Palace" in the example).
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RocknRollaAyatollah posted:RIFTS just takes every setting and saddles them with a terrible system. GURPS tries to be a kitchen sink alternative to other game systems. Rifts is an distant outgrowth of Kevin's D&D-alike, Palladium RPG, and was a mashup of every game they had printed to that point in time. It's of no relation to GURPS, and Palladium's notion of using a universal system predates GURPS by about two years. All of Palladium's games use the same system except for Valley of the Pharaohs (decades out of print), Recon (originally printed by RPG Inc., uses a wholly unrelated system revised by Erick Wujcik), and of course, Robotech RPG Tactics (uses a new minis system). Most don't use the MDC mechanic, mind, that's only used by Robotech / Macross II, Rifts, and Splicers, the rest only use SDC mechanics (except for the first edition of the Palladium RPG, which only uses hit points, instead). Palladium now refers to it as the "Megaversal" system, but the name hasn't caught on very well. Of course, Basic Role-Playing is essentially the granddaddy of both GURPS and Palladium, having done a multi-genre game (Worlds of Wonder) using a universal system wayyy back in 1982.
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Alien Rope Burn posted:Rifts is an distant outgrowth of Kevin's D&D-alike, Palladium RPG, and was a mashup of every game they had printed to that point in time. It's of no relation to GURPS, and Palladium's notion of using a universal system predates GURPS by about two years. All of Palladium's games use the same system except for Valley of the Pharaohs (decades out of print), Recon (originally printed by RPG Inc., uses a wholly unrelated system revised by Erick Wujcik), and of course, Robotech RPG Tactics (uses a new minis system). Most don't use the MDC mechanic, mind, that's only used by Robotech / Macross II, Rifts, and Splicers, the rest only use SDC mechanics (except for the first edition of the Palladium RPG, which only uses hit points, instead). Palladium now refers to it as the "Megaversal" system, but the name hasn't caught on very well. As someone who never played Rifts, but heard about it, how much of an improvement is it to remove MDC and MD from the game?
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