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woops. repeat. for the top of the page. http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...fcee622c29.html Will reiterate, the new witnesses are "from Jefferson County" "Outsiders" "not part of the community" and a few other Post-Dispatch codewords for "White". The story substantially matches the initial reporting, where Darren Wilson chased Mike Brown shooting, then Mike put his hands up, turned around, and got shot six times at moderate range. It substantially discounts the right-wing fever dream of "Crazed monster-negro bull-rushed Officer Goodcop with his savage marijuana strength" Slo-Tek fucked around with this message at 20:12 on Sep 6, 2014 |
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It's like white people in suburbs believe that every race is either inherently good or bad. If one person of the race does something, welp they are all like that no if ands buts questions or fuss. Well, I guess all white people are serial killers. See I knew there was something odd about those blue empty eyes. SectumSempra fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Sep 6, 2014 |
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People don't find juggling complicated narratives when they don't mesh comfortably with their own biases. Reality is much easier to live when when everything fits into a simple, single black and white narrative and gently caress if there aren't a buffet of intellectually dishonest methods for anyone desperately hammering the round peg into the square hole to make sure it stays that way.
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Fromfacebook:quote:More gems from Mississippi governor James K. Vardaman. He gives some telling stats on "negro criminality." It is amazing that when black people were enslaved, there was less perceived reason to put them in chains. It was only after they became "free" that their behavior became problematic and "criminal."
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bassguitarhero posted:Fromfacebook: I like how he worked in a German/Irish/etc immigrant insult.
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bassguitarhero posted:Fromfacebook: 
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Well that quote was from 1904, so just under a decade before Woodrow "Birth of a Nation was history writ with lightning" Wilson gets elected president so hardly that out of the ordinary. Or were you bugging out over that someone would, in 2014, post it (presumably) unironically?
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Evil_Greven posted:People don't care about the truth. They only care about their opinions. The truth gets twisted to fit those opinions or ignored when it cannot be. This. I pointed out to a relative that the bulletholes in the top of Brown's head were most likely to have been made when he was already kneeling (unless Darren Wilson was like 12 feet tall and somehow that part of the story got lost in the shuffle) and she hissed the Brown probably jumped up on the hood of the cop car and got shot up from below. You know, because THAT fits with what witnesses said and also is a real thing that really happens.... SectumSempra posted:It's like white people in suburbs believe that every race is either inherently good or bad. NOOOOO HE WAS JUST MENTALLY ILL!!!!! YOOOOUUUU CANNNN'T BLAME HIM FOR THATTTTT; HE HAD A BAD CHIIIILLLLLHOOOD/GOT REJECTED BY A GIIIIIIRRRRRLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111 Astrofig fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Sep 6, 2014 |
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oops dp
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Well that quote was from 1904, so just under a decade before Woodrow "Birth of a Nation was history writ with lightning" Wilson gets elected president so hardly that out of the ordinary. Or were you bugging out over that someone would, in 2014, post it (presumably) unironically? It's not out if the ordinary but I imagine it's a little jarring to see it every once in a while so direct. Then you see just what the starting point was and how far it's come.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Well that quote was from 1904, so just under a decade before Woodrow "Birth of a Nation was history writ with lightning" Wilson gets elected president so hardly that out of the ordinary. Or were you bugging out over that someone would, in 2014, post it (presumably) unironically? nope just "whoa that's some unbelievable racism"
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Well In this case I'm going to drag the racial discussion into this but related What side of history will you be on It's about an 18 minute read, long but I think it was quite good. It's from the perspective of a white person aware of institutionalized racism.
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Is membership on a grand jury a matter of public record? Along similar lines, is there as much worry about tainting the grand jury as there is about tainting the trial's jury?
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Why do you think the grand jury will see this evidence?
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Astrofig posted:oops dp
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Dr. Faustus posted:I hate accidental double penetration. Must run in the family.
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what the actual gently caress?? St Louis police offer to fingerprint all the children in #Ferguson
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Mr. Glass posted:what the actual gently caress?? What, no DNA sample taking as well? I'm honestly surprised it isn't compulsory in some areas.
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Mr. Glass posted:what the actual gently caress?? Maybe I'm wrong but aren't those just used in case a kid goes missing/ is kidnapped? I know I had my fingerprints done (not by police) for that reason.
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That's not uncommon to protect children, but it's extremely tone deaf given the current state of police/community relations.
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Yeah getting kids fingerprinted is so you can help identify kidnapped kids, I was fingerprinted and I'm a white boy from Boston. http://www.childidprogram.com/the-id-kit/how-fingerprints-find-a-child The timing however is... indelicate. E: Beaten like a kidnapped child.
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Nckdictator posted:Maybe I'm wrong but aren't those just used in case a kid goes missing/ is kidnapped? I know I had my fingerprints done (not by police) for that reason. It all goes in the same FBI database I'm sure. So as well as making it a bit easier to identify and locate kidnapping victims and runaways it also makes it easier to identify anyone wanted for anything else.
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Mr. Glass posted:what the actual gently caress?? They're using an EZ Child ID kit, which is (supposedly) designed not to store any of the data. I'm betting it's voluntary, too.
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I was fingerprinted 20+ years ago and I've never heard of a case where it came up? Maybe some very small amount of missing persons cases?
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I'm not even sure how useful fingerprinting would be for a kidnapping. You're most likely not going to be taking prints unless you have the living or dead body in police custody, in which case there's a billion ways that identifying the kid could be resolved; more than likely if the kid is alive, it did get resolved because you only have the kid from finding and arresting the kidnapper.
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So, remember the Wal-Mart Shooting? Remember the former Marine witness who called the cops about Crawford holding an assault rifle, "pointing it at people” and “waving it around” ?quote:One month later, Ritchie puts it differently. “At no point did he shoulder the rifle and point it at somebody,” the 24-year-old said, in an interview with the Guardian. He maintained that Crawford was “waving it around”, which attorneys for Crawford’s family deny. Ugh.
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Those guns that aren't bullet guns have red ends to make it obvious to police that.......
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i am harry posted:Those guns that aren't bullet guns have red ends to make it obvious to police that....... Yeah, but what race is the person holding it?
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i am harry posted:Those guns that aren't bullet guns have red ends to make it obvious to police that....... How would the police know, he had it pointed down at the ground the whole time. edit: VVV  logger fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Sep 7, 2014 |
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logger posted:How would the police know, he had it pointed down at the ground the whole time.
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chitoryu12 posted:I'm not even sure how useful fingerprinting would be for a kidnapping. It's potentially useful if the kidnapper checks into a hotel room, eats at a diner, or does anything that fleeing people do. Being able to identify the child's fingerprints is better than not being able to - although I'm not sure how frequently this is used since it'd be more of an investigation tool than headline-maker. "Missing Child's Fingerprints Confirmed at St Louis Denny's" isn't going to sell newspapers, but it might provide other, more useful leads.
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moths posted:It's potentially useful if the kidnapper checks into a hotel room, eats at a diner, or does anything that fleeing people do. Being able to identify the child's fingerprints is better than not being able to - although I'm not sure how frequently this is used since it'd be more of an investigation tool than headline-maker. "Missing Child's Fingerprints Confirmed at St Louis Denny's" isn't going to sell newspapers, but it might provide other, more useful leads. In that case, though, parents will have contacted police and will have been able to provide a wealth of samples of the child's fingerprints from places around their home. Might take a while to get a clean sample, but it's not crazy. I think the "child's body found" scenario is the one they're trying to solve. The story about kidnappers staying at diners and hotels I think is something they tell parents to sugarcoat the fact that the only scenario where this kind of fingerprinting would be super useful is when a child's body is found.
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ErIog posted:In that case, though, parents will have contacted police and will have been able to provide a wealth of samples of the child's fingerprints from places around their home. Might take a while to get a clean sample, but it's not crazy. Probably more useful in the a parental kidnapping scenario than anywhere else.
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Given everything we've learned about the police in Ferguson over the past month, I have my doubts that they'd even bother with more than a token investigation into a black kidnapping.
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I always thought that fingerprinting kids was intended to help with stuff like "Severed Hand Found in Gutter Positively Linked to Abducted Child".
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Holy poo poo, that fingerprinting is the textbook example of "wrong place wrong time". You could argue the benefits or intentions all day long but that would be ignoring how utterly stupid the idea was in the first place in this particular incident.
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Astrofig posted:GOT REJECTED BY A GIIIIIIRRRRRLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111 Do people really use this excuse? If I flipped out whenever I got rejected, the entire Pacific Northwest would be a charnel house.
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Hodgepodge posted:Do people really use this excuse? If I flipped out whenever I got rejected, the entire Pacific Northwest would be a charnel house. there was quite a bit of apologism like that about the Santa Barbara shootings, even outside MRA/PUA circles
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Plus that kid who stabbed the object of his obsession to death when she refused to go to prom with him.
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