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I am curious about what they'll do with the character if not just recycle the original storyline/reveal. Unknown Soldier and Negative Man from Doom Patrol should get involved. Bandage Wars.
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One thing I thiunk Arkham Origins got right was that Black Mask works as a sort of "transitional" villain. I think he works well in stories that take place early in Bat's career as Gotham's traditional mobsters are pushed out by a new generation of "freak" criminals. He's basically just a crime boss, but he has the same kind of psychosis and mask obsession that foreshadows what is to come when the traditional super-criminals come onto the scene. I haven't read anything with Hush in it except his intro story, but even then I got the sense he was just another "evil Batman" that was trying too hard.
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TheJoker138 posted:It wouldn't make much sense for the Arkham Knight to be Hush anyway. From Arkham City they do seem to be staying really close to his early comic appearances characterization, right down to giving himself surgery to look like Bruce. He wouldn't become a cheap knock off of Batman who uses guns, he would become Batman and try and replace him. That's his whole thing. It just doesn't fit unless they change what they already set up in City. It seems pretty clear in Arkham City that Hush doesn't know that Bruce is Batman. Pretty sure Hush is going to be a secondary villain like Scarecrow in the first game.
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Aug 30, 2014 03:53
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I'm reading v3 of Brubaker's Catwoman and holy poo poo is the art terrifyingly bad. What the gently caress happened to everyone's face? Why does everyone have an upturned pointy nose? Why does Slam Bradley look like he's in his mid- 30s?
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Aug 30, 2014 16:05
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 What the gently caress, DC. WHAT. THE. gently caress.
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Sep 4, 2014 01:00
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Sep 4, 2014 01:02
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That purple Batgirl person right there. 1. It's a straight color swap of Cassandra Cain's Black Bat costume, down to the bandages. 2. If it's Cassandra herself, she looks like she's been whitewashed. 3. If it isn't Cassandra, who is she and what is she doing in that costume? Haha what the hell, Nightrunner is in the background and Cassandra can't get a panel outside of L'il Gotham and Dustin Nguyen artwork. I just can't understand it.
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Sep 4, 2014 01:11
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I really like Li'l Gotham and wished it had gone on longer...
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Sep 4, 2014 01:38
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What's this Penny-One horseshit? I really hope that's never been used before (and will never be used again).
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Sep 4, 2014 01:42
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Aw man. Grayson's a book I wanted to like but it's just not for me. 
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Sep 4, 2014 01:47
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DynamicSloth posted:What's this Penny-One horseshit? I really hope that's never been used before (and will never be used again). Was Taters posted:Aw man. Grayson's a book I wanted to like but it's just not for me.
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Sep 4, 2014 02:49
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lotus circle posted:It's been a thing since New 52 that everyone refers to Alfred as 'Penny-One' over their radios. I guess that's to help conceal his identity if anyone is listening but it sounds really silly.
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Sep 4, 2014 03:23
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I keep seeing so many people sperging about Cassandra Cain. Its okay guys, you can let go of your favourite characters from 10 years ago.
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Sep 4, 2014 04:27
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Veg posted:I keep seeing so many people sperging about Cassandra Cain. Its okay guys, you can let go of your favourite characters from 10 years ago.
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Sep 4, 2014 04:32
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Veg posted:I keep seeing so many people sperging about Cassandra Cain. Its okay guys, you can let go of your favourite characters from 10 years ago. Why? Geoff Johns never did that.
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Sep 4, 2014 04:34
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lotus circle posted:It's been a thing since New 52 that everyone refers to Alfred as 'Penny-One' over their radios. I guess that's to help conceal his identity if anyone is listening but it sounds really silly. I read King's book, and I've read Seeley's comics, and of the two I'm more comfortable with King in general. Seeley did a lot of interviews around Ish 1 where he said specifically they'd be working on Dick's fuckability factor, which is one thing I really hate. I've done two super long rants on twitter about why I hate it, so I won't subject you all to it. The book is getting rave reviews from Chris Sims, with whom I never agree on anything Dick Grayson... It's just taste. I don't want him to be defined by his cock and his romances, and a lot of other people do. Sometimes your favorite character is just in the wrong hands for your personal tastes.
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Sep 4, 2014 04:38
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Codependent Poster posted:Why? Geoff Johns never did that.   No Man's Land, and Cass got me into comic collecting, after watching the Animated Series as a kid. I mean I appreciate all the original heroes, but for me, Batman has always been about legacy, how the mission gets passed on to and translated for new heroes. I really like that. Also, diversity, representation, yada yada. Cass Cain is probably the only character I go into full-spergin' mode for.
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hiddenriverninja posted:
Are you Revol?
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DynamicSloth posted:The code to conceal his identity directly references his last name? To be honest, if you don't mention it I would never realized the connection. I always assumed it was a reference to the giant penny on the batcave (and hey, Julia's penny-two now)  Was I the only one that cringed at Batman making GBS threads bricks over Hush? I mean, not even the Joker managed that reaction and suddenly he's scared of loving Hush? Really? Batwing was pretty cool and I liked the twist about Leviathan and how hopeful it ended, Grayson on the other hand fell flat for me, cool format though.
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DynamicSloth posted:The code to conceal his identity directly references his last name? Listen, Bruce Wayne is a guy who infiltrates the criminal underworld occasionally by putting on a fake mustache, wearing sunglasses, and calling himself "Matches". He may be a genius, but his way of working is kinda stupid if you try to use too much (read: any) real-world logic. TwoPair fucked around with this message at 05:24 on Sep 4, 2014 |
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Sep 4, 2014 05:22
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Penny One sounds about as stupid as when Jim Mahfood started calling himself Food One. That being incredibly.
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Sep 4, 2014 08:04
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Didn't they used to call Alfred "Jeeves" over the radios at some point? I remember somebody called him that just because every butler is basically a Jeeves and it ended up sticking. Maybe that was on the cartoon.
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Travis343 posted:Didn't they used to call Alfred "Jeeves" over the radios at some point? I remember somebody called him that just because every butler is basically a Jeeves and it ended up sticking. Maybe that was on the cartoon. In Batgirl: Year One they call him Jeeves around Barbara before she's fully in.
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Brocktoon posted:I'm reading v3 of Brubaker's Catwoman and holy poo poo is the art terrifyingly bad. What the gently caress happened to everyone's face? Why does everyone have an upturned pointy nose? Why does Slam Bradley look like he's in his mid- 30s? Oh thats the Comic were Black Mask more or less sets himself up as the person Catwoman hates the most.
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Veg posted:I keep seeing so many people sperging about Cassandra Cain. Its okay guys, you can let go of your favourite characters from 10 years ago. Her series wasn't anything special. Some funky 90s art and a minority character, but the writing rarely rose above second string Batfamily boilerplate, suffering from several go-nowhere or crossover-derailed plotlines. Then again, petite asian girl in a gimp suit? PoontifexMacksimus fucked around with this message at 17:19 on Sep 6, 2014 |
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Sep 6, 2014 17:17
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She had a good hook being literally bred and raised to be a killer, kills one person and recognizes it's wrong and runs away. It was the post book character assassination that actually got most people on her side, she basically became the poster child for female characters goes evil for no reason and gets slutty at a time when people were really fed up with it and anti-fridging was peaking.
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It didn't set the world on fire, but the first twenty five issues were some fun stuff, and was better than most of the bat books at the time. I actually stumbled upon the third trade yesterday, and am currently getting the first two trades from my parents house.
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Sep 6, 2014 22:04
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hiddenriverninja posted:I made a vow over the bodies of my dead parents to pop into Good to know I'm keeping my promise.
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A lil Gotham Academy stuff http://www.mtv.com/news/1919945/gotham-academy-dc-comics-exclusive/    
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Cassandra Cain was something really radical at the time. Not only was she a minority character she was also mute, at least for a while. There hadn't been a Batgirl for years at that point, and suddenly here was this creepy one with her face stitched shut. It was a great cover image. At the time I wasn't a big fan of DC comics, but seeing that at a comic store made me do a double-take and think maybe I should check it out. She was driven and focused in a way that very few Batfamily members were. She used to say that she wanted to be Batman someday. Not Batgirl or Batwoman but Batman. She wanted to be the star and didn't buy that she had to be a literal man to do it. Boiling her popularity down to "petite asian girl in a gimp suit" is the dumbest thing I've read in a while. That might be all you see in the character but that really says more about you than Cass. At first she was this incredible fighter but it had cost her the ability to interact with others in any kind of nonviolent way, but as the character went on they gradually removed all her disabilities, because I guess writing a comic about a character that can't talk is hard, and people got lazy and didn't know what to do with her. She eventually got shuffled off to Hong Kong during Batman Inc despite only recently learning English, but hey she's Asian so close enough.
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My only exposure to Casandra Cain has been the numerous post on the internet about how great of a character she is and so my perspective is biased but honestly I don't see nothing really remarkable about her, she seems to me like your archetypical mysterious waif with some characteristics to show how cool she is (she can't socialize but she can kick Batman's rear end) In a way, she seems to me to follow the same template as Jean Paul Valley.
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Cassandra had another great hook, at least one I loved. She's a part of the elite Batman crew of Detectives, but she couldn't read or do any of the complex detective work. It essentially meant that even the simplest case was a huge challenge to her. (Her school of detective work was "walk into a bar and punch thugs and hope that someone knows something." Which if you've ever played in an RPG party with good combat characters but no social interactive characters, you will recognise.) Anyway it doesn't matter if the rest of you all don't like Cassandra, I got to give my 6 year old daughter a Tiny Titan's trade paper back for her birthday, and this volume has Cassandra Caine Batgirl in it. (Just called Cassandra in an adorable way of minimilization.) So anyway, that's one more Cassandra Caine fan in the world.
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:In a way, she seems to me to follow the same template as Jean Paul Valley.
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Travis343 posted:Cassandra Cain was something really radical at the time. Not only was she a minority character she was also mute, at least for a while. There hadn't been a Batgirl for years at that point, and suddenly here was this creepy one with her face stitched shut. It was a great cover image. At the time I wasn't a big fan of DC comics, but seeing that at a comic store made me do a double-take and think maybe I should check it out. She was driven and focused in a way that very few Batfamily members were. She used to say that she wanted to be Batman someday. Not Batgirl or Batwoman but Batman. She wanted to be the star and didn't buy that she had to be a literal man to do it. Boiling her popularity down to "petite asian girl in a gimp suit" is the dumbest thing I've read in a while. That might be all you see in the character but that really says more about you than Cass. Relax. I read all 73 issues of her series. I though her hook in terms of both concept and visual were at least on par if not superior to Harley Quinn's. The difference is that
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Sorry I'm kind of defensive about Cass. You're completely right in that she never really got the stories she deserved though. The New52 is only a few years old though so a lot of people other than Dustin Nguyen and Tumblr remember Cass. Not nearly as many people as are carrying a torch for Stephanie but she's mentioned pretty frequently when people complain about characters who've been lost to the reboot. I think since Wally and Stephanie have both shown back up recently Cass is on a lot of people's minds lately.
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Sep 7, 2014 14:38
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She'll probably show up in a few fashions for a bit, but it'll be really funny when death couldn't keep Jason Todd from coming back to life and having his own title after twenty years, while a simple reboot and some shirking off beforehand in favor of Stephanie gets Cassandra completely whittled away from continuity. But that's probably too dour an outlook. We'll see.
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I guess poor Cass will come back at some point, but it seems like no one at DC really knows how to write the character at all. It really shouldn't be that hard. She's basically someone who's learned English as a second language and isn't fully-versed in it, even after the point when they randomly decided she had learned to read and write thanks to magic Alfred tutoring. But everyone writes her with exactly the same voice as every other generic teenage character. Even if she comes back, it's probably not going to be as the character I liked. I mean, look at that (horribly miscolored in every conceivable way) cameo from whatever issue that was posted a little while back. That dialogue could have been said by any character and doesn't read at all like Cass. And that's become the standard for the character over the years. It's a shame, because if there's ever been a character that's needed a reboot to remove about the last ten years of poor characterization, it's Cass.
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Sep 7, 2014 19:34
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Haven't read comics in years, some manga, but that's it. I picked up the Gotham Central-thing after reading this thread a bit and I honestly really like it. The premise is great and I enjoy the theme and the feeling it has, a bunch of overworked detectives trying to do their jobs and not managing to do that very well for various reasons. It kinda gives a reason for Batman to exist because the man has the resources and skills while the police has not. I also enjoy the art too. I'm pleasently surprised. I think the hype holds up.
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Cassandra is the same character as X-23, except one is Wolverine and the other is Batman. There's better X-23 stories and she isn't handled pissed poorly ALL the time. There's some good issues of her latest on-going where she babysits the Richards kids, bonds with Gambit (Who treats her like a daughter and not a toy)and she makes friends with Jubilee
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The real problem is that they brought over every single male Robin but apparently only had room for one Batgirl and had to get rid of a prominent disabled character to even do that.
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