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Jerusalem posted:If we never get any more of an "answer" to that question beyond the Doctor's musing about his subconscious trying to tell him something I'll be absolutely satisfied. It's a question that doesn't really need to be asked or answered. I really hope the Doctor's explanation amounts to "sometimes I just like a specific face" and it's not some huge mystery. Or if it is sufficiently sci-fi, it's really just a throwaway line about temporal duplicity or what have you. Also, the arrow seemed a bit...silly. I would've liked a throwaway line about how the Doctor can attach the homing bit to it, but he can't shoot NEARLY accurately enough and they need to get it at least close enough. That would've made it a lot less dumb. But, overall, I enjoyed the episode. It was great seeing Twelve and Robin go at it. And hearing the Doctor get called out on using the sonic to fix everything . And Twelve stealthily flipping Robin Hood off.
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Autonomous Monster posted:The "First Nottingham, then Derby, then Lincoln, then..." "...Worksop?" "THE WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORLD!!!" scene was solid gold, though. That poo poo was magical.
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# ? Sep 7, 2014 02:54 |
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The individual scenes were extremely campy and fun, but was it just me or was there absolutely no flow to the episode? It felt very much like things were just jumping from setpiece to setpiece.
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# ? Sep 7, 2014 02:58 |
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I didn't really get that sense other than in the peasants revolt scene, which felt very rushed - mostly because the episode hadn't seemed all that concerned with what was going on with them until it suddenly became an integral part of the story towards the end. Other than that, I thought it flowed well - from meeting Robin and his Merry Men to attending the contest together to the squabbling in the dungeon, then having the simultaneous scenes of Clara conning the Sheriff while the Doctor and Robin discovered the control room before Robin and Clara escape. After that the revolt felt like it kind of came out of nowhere before things got back on track with Robin coming to the Doctor's rescue and fighting the Sheriff, and then the teamwork to delay the spaceship's destruction.
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# ? Sep 7, 2014 03:09 |
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The karate chop was the best.
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# ? Sep 7, 2014 03:12 |
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I guess it just bothered me that it seemed a lot of tell not show. The whole bit with the Doctor and Robin in shackles, they go from showing a scene fumbling keys to them walking out of the room connected to a big stone to completely free of the shackles. Then everyone has plates with the show literally just showing us that the laser can be reflected so why does everyone have plates already?Riven posted:The karate chop was the best. I agree. Venusian Aikido saves the day again.
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# ? Sep 7, 2014 03:13 |
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You mean it's my turn to be the negative nancy this week? Awesome! It just didn't work for me. I think because Robin was too perfectly Robin Hood. I kept expecting the big reveal, that the radiation made him think he was Robin, that he was a robot, something. But it never happened and the episode just didn't gel for me. Also, Robin and the Doctor's escape felt like BBCA skipped over some stuff.
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# ? Sep 7, 2014 03:16 |
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Master-Post incoming. Forgive my nerd-stuff.DoctorWhat posted:Ainley didn't have poo poo on Delgado, sadly. He came close in Survival but it was always a pale imitation. JNT just wanted the Master to be WAY over the top. I seem to remember hearing or reading Ainley wanted a much lower-key performance, and most of the time JNT said no, he has to be hugely over-played. Until "Survival." Jerusalem posted:What Ainley had going for him was that he LOVED being the Master. He had it made financially already so pretty much his only interests were playing cricket or being the Master, and every so often he'd call up JNT just to say,"Hey got any stories with the Master coming up? I'm down!" If I had enough money and was cast as the Master, I would do the same exact thing. Aside from Cricket. I don't care about Cricket. DoctorWhat posted:Except he apparently refused to come back to Big Finish unless they paid him an exorbitant amount. Which led us to having Beevers as the Big Finish Master, which is not a bad thing. At all.
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# ? Sep 7, 2014 03:20 |
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After two serious episodes, this was just a FUN story. A bit of "show don't tell," some stuff was rushed, but this was one of those productions where the viewer can tell that everyone just had a flat out BALL making it. My fiancee and I enjoyed it for the banter and chemistry between the Doctor and Robin Hood, and the kiddo and her stepsister enjoyed it for the sword fighting and archery.
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# ? Sep 7, 2014 03:26 |
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howe_sam posted:You mean it's my turn to be the negative nancy this week? Awesome! I did like how the Doctor is so adamant that Robin Hood can't possibly be real and must be an android, but no, he's the real deal. Like the rest of the episode, it works better as a joke than a serious plot. Also, it did feel as though some scenes were cut, to the episode's detriment. The escape and Robo-Sheriff most notably.
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# ? Sep 7, 2014 03:29 |
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Aparently robo-sheriff was cut due to ISIS beheading the journalists. Kind of a dumb reason, but I can mostly see the logic.
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# ? Sep 7, 2014 03:34 |
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Fantastic episode, not perfect but Perfect. I'm loving the new season.
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# ? Sep 7, 2014 03:38 |
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Well that was an awesome episode. I don't know what bizarro alternate world version the people who watched the workprint saw and hated, but I thought it was fantastic. One of the most genuinely funny episodes I've seen, with some great serious moments as well, like the ending conversation with Robin and The Doctor. Robin was so hilariously Action Hero he reminded me of Jack Laser in the 6th Doctor audio The Fourth Wall. Capaldi really shone here as well. I am digging his take on the character.
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# ? Sep 7, 2014 03:44 |
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Oh, yeah, LOVED the Troughton cameo.
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# ? Sep 7, 2014 03:46 |
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Partway through Mindwarp and I've gotta say all of the Six serials I've seen have a really strong lingering sense of grossness about them that I don't get from ones with the others in.
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# ? Sep 7, 2014 03:58 |
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I can't say I cared utterly for the episode but whatever. I have a question. Why do *SO MANY* different robots care so much about Paradise? We have both the Clockworks from the future and these bucket heads from the past. Why?
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# ? Sep 7, 2014 04:03 |
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Watched the episode at a friend's house and I was very surprised by how much I enjoyed it. I can watch Peter Capaldi being grumpy all day long apparently.
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egon_beeblebrox posted:Which led us to having Beevers as the Big Finish Master, which is not a bad thing. At all. Beevers and MacQueen. MacQueen is my favorite. Hello, you. Astroman posted:Robin was so hilariously Action Hero he reminded me of Jack Laser in the 6th Doctor audio The Fourth Wall. Capaldi really shone here as well. I am digging his take on the character. poo poo I knew there was something familiar...
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# ? Sep 7, 2014 04:23 |
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This was completely bonkers in the best possible way. Probably falls apart if you look at it too closely, but I kind of don't care. I guess the implication was that, since the robots (presumably) set everything else up to mirror the Robin Hood story as a cover for their activities, someone like Robin Hood happening was almost inevitable. Could have done with a little more support from the story -- as it was, the impossibility/reality of Robin Hood was kind of a Chekhov's Bow that never went off -- but what the hell, it was fun, and the Doctor's increasing frustration as the story went on only made it more so. I think my favorite thing was Clara admonishing the Sheriff that he was about to change the course of history, and his response of "I SURE HOPE SO". Interesting repeated motif of robots not just mindlessly seeking "The Promised Land" but having to bootstrap themselves through human history to do so. It looks like this is the year of none-too-subtle parallels between the Doctor and another prominent figure in the story. (Questions of identity after so many centuries of transformations with Clockwork Dude, Doctor as Good Dalek in Rusty's eye, and now a person trapped within the shadow of his own larger-than-life legend). Can't say I'm complaining about that, either, especially since it plays into the general idea of the Doctor trying to figure out who he is* and not necessarily liking the answers he's getting. ___ *Dear Mr. Moffat, this would have been a much better way to work an obvious "Doctor Who?" motif into the storyline than the Time Lords shouting it at him from another dimension or whatever. Just a man, a mirror, and a whisper. If you had to do it at all, I mean.
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# ? Sep 7, 2014 04:24 |
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docbeard posted:I guess the implication was that, since the robots (presumably) set everything else up to mirror the Robin Hood story as a cover for their activities, someone like Robin Hood happening was almost inevitable. Could have done with a little more support from the story -- as it was, the impossibility/reality of Robin Hood was kind of a Chekhov's Bow that never went off -- but what the hell, it was fun, and the Doctor's increasing frustration as the story went on only made it more so. I dunno I think the implication is that Robin Hood just actually existed, dude.
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# ? Sep 7, 2014 04:30 |
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One of NuHu's best episodes thanks to Capaldi. It feels like the first Moffat era comedy episode that didn't take itself too seriously for its own good.
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Burkion posted:Why do *SO MANY* different robots care so much about Paradise? Because it appears to be part of this season's arc and we'll hopefully find out by the finale. It's not something that was explained previously if that's what you were hoping for. Maybe the Doctor dropped a Bruce Springsteen CD at some point in the past when he also accidentally gave somebody the idea to build robots.
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# ? Sep 7, 2014 04:52 |
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I dunno why, but that felt like a lost David Tennant episode with Capaldi swapped in. I liked it more than I was anticipating, loving the Sherrif and the robots that looked remarkably old series one they revealed their faces. I could have done without the Spoon bit, but Capaldi did his best to sell it.
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# ? Sep 7, 2014 04:55 |
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So I'm watching the Day of the Daleks episode 2 and the Doctor just killed someone with a ray gun. When exactly did his "no guns" thing come about?
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# ? Sep 7, 2014 04:56 |
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Cliff Racer posted:So I'm watching the Day of the Daleks episode 2 and the Doctor just killed someone with a ray gun. When exactly did his "no guns" thing come about? Revival.
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# ? Sep 7, 2014 04:58 |
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Yay, an episode i liked that didnt turn out to be "The new worst ever" in the SA thread The last time this happened, Freema Agyeman was the assistant.
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# ? Sep 7, 2014 04:59 |
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Yeah it had good banter based on the Doctor being wrong about something for once. It was fun!
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# ? Sep 7, 2014 05:01 |
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I thought it was good fun. It probably won't be an episode I vividly remember in 2-3 seasons, but it was fun. My only complaint is that I thought the arguing between Robin Hood and The Doctor in prison went on a little too long.
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TheBigBudgetSequel posted:I dunno why, but that felt like a lost David Tennant episode with Capaldi swapped in. I think if it had been Tennant he would have spent the first few minutes going,"What? What? WHAT!?!" and,"But that's impossible!" and immediately changed to,"Well that's impossible... and that's BRILLIANT! " Capaldi just refusing to accept anything he was seeing or even pretending to play along was great, especially when it got to him explaining what he thought was the Sheriff's plan to him and the Sheriff replying,"But that would be stupid...?"
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# ? Sep 7, 2014 05:06 |
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Burkion posted:I have a question. Because Moffat.
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# ? Sep 7, 2014 05:34 |
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So as it turns out, the part that was removed actually contained a plot point that makes a line said after it make more sense. Specifically, that the Sheriff actually is at least part robot, which makes his otherwise non sequitur declaration that he's "half man, half engine" make a lot more sense. It makes it a bit more explicit that the only real thing in the whole situation was actually Robin Hood and his guys. It doesn't completely solve how wibbly wobbly the entire plot is, but at least that's one hole that only resulted due to outside influence.
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SimplyCosmic posted:I, for one, am still shocked that they managed to not only to convince Anthony Ainley to come back from the dead to play the Sheriff The first time the Sheriff appeared, I exclaimed, 'Holy gently caress, that's Anthony Ainley.' at the same time Mr Boods went, 'Holy gently caress, that's Ben Miller!' Ben, you know what you must do. And, yes, Robin made me miss Rik Mayall
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TheBigBudgetSequel posted:I dunno why, but that felt like a lost David Tennant episode with Capaldi swapped in. I liked it more than I was anticipating, loving the Sherrif and the robots that looked remarkably old series one they revealed their faces. I could have done without the Spoon bit, but Capaldi did his best to sell it. I'm 100% certain he was flipping off the fact that he had to act out a scene where he fights Robin Hood with a spoon.
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# ? Sep 7, 2014 08:43 |
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2house2fly posted:I'm 100% certain he was flipping off the fact that he had to act out a scene where he fights Robin Hood with a spoon. When the scripts were leaked, this was the scene that pretty much everyone pointed to in order to demonstrate just how terrible this season was going to be. Like most of the scenes everyone was worried about, it was no where near as bad as it sounded and that is mainly due to Capaldi selling it. It was still a goofy scene, but at least it wasn't embarrassing to watch like it was to read.
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# ? Sep 7, 2014 09:03 |
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I can see a lot of his lines reading extremely similarly to Eleven, only to come across completely differently in his new delivery. Except for the bantering references here. That really felt like Eleven poking through a bit, no matter how hard Capaldi tried to sell it.
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# ? Sep 7, 2014 09:06 |
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Was this filmed in the same forest they used for Day of the Doctor? Sure looked like it. Loved the hell out of this episode. It was totally dumb in the best way.
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# ? Sep 7, 2014 09:31 |
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AndwhatIseeisme posted:When the scripts were leaked, this was the scene that pretty much everyone pointed to in order to demonstrate just how terrible this season was going to be. Like most of the scenes everyone was worried about, it was no where near as bad as it sounded and that is mainly due to Capaldi selling it. It was still a goofy scene, but at least it wasn't embarrassing to watch like it was to read. Yeah, If it was Tennant or smith, the spoon fight would have been "oooh, look a spoon! ho ho ho, aren't i wacky! Look at me fight you with a spoon, hA hAA!", but with Capaldi it was "i'm going to loving beat you with just this spoon you green tit". Kin fucked around with this message at 10:23 on Sep 7, 2014 |
# ? Sep 7, 2014 10:10 |
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I was just bored by this episode. I'm glad Clara is getting a personality but the rest was yawn-worthy. That arrow sequence was so stupid. At least it wasn't super long and terrible like Deep Breath however. Into the Dalek was quite decent, here's hoping the next episode is interesting again.
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# ? Sep 7, 2014 10:14 |
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Mo0 posted:but at least that's one hole It's not really a hole since the line that was left in explained what the Sheriff had allowed himself to be turned into (basically a reverse Half-Face Man). It's just that without the scene, the line seems hurried and does a poor job of letting such important information be conveyed to the audience. Not a plothole so much as poor storytelling, due to editing out the pertinent prior scene. Edit: I think this scene might be The Rings of Akhaten of this season for me. A less than exciting trailer that left me thinking I was going to get something unremarkable or even slightly embarrassing, and ending up just being completely carried away by the atmosphere of the story. Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 10:22 on Sep 7, 2014 |
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Kin posted:Yeah, If it was Tennant or smith, the spoon fight would have been "oooh, look a spoon! ho ho ho, aren't i wacky lock at me fight you with a spoon, hA hAA!", but with Capaldi it was "i'm going to loving beat you with just this spoon you green tit". He is rather playing it as Third Doctor (action) + First/Sixth Doctor (grumpiness) + a touch of Malcolm Tucker. I'm amenable!
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