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Does anyone else hate mania 29 as much as me? I didn't catch it live, this is seeing it for the first time a little over a year later. I was doing like a PPV double feature w my friend, we were gonna watch one good and one bad one. We MADE IT THROUGH new blood rising, then went "let's check out last year's mania" and were actually less entertained. The Alberto Del Rio match is the highlight of the night. The rest is people trying really really hard and putting on good work for horrendous, Vince's idea of "safe" booking. Also I've only been watching wrestling again since mania 30. Anything after invasion and before xxx never happened, right? Under the vegetable fucked around with this message at 05:05 on Sep 8, 2014 |
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Under the vegetable posted:Does anyone else hate mania 29 as much as me? I didn't catch it live, this is seeing it for the first time a little over a year later. I was doing like a PPV double feature w my friend, we were gonna watch one good and one bad one. We MADE IT THROUGH new blood rising, then went "let's check out last year's mania" and were actually less entertained. The general consensus was that it was a dog poo poo Mania with Punk vs. Taker as a lone bright spot. Edit: I guess I should explain why it sucked. They were running behind schedule hard core so none of the matches got very much time. There were no promos or video packages, P Diddy performed for some reason, Brock was concussed at the beginning of his match and HHH was frost bitten from the liquid nitrogen during his entrance. Personally I couldn't muster up a care in the world for rock vs. Cena 2 so that match may have been OK. But most of the matches were heat less. Strawberry Panda fucked around with this message at 05:06 on Sep 8, 2014 |
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WM29 p.much summed up WWE's current business model: We'll put a bunch of matches up and wedge as much advertising in as possible. COMMERCIALS. DURING A PPV. WHY AM I YELLING?
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coconono posted:WHY AM I YELLING? coconono posted:COMMERCIALS. DURING A PPV.
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I'm glad to hear I wasn't the only one let-down by WM29 aside from Punk/Taker which was really good. They were running really short on time which is why Jack Swagger didn't even get an entrance despite WWE paying for a huge-rear end ATV to cart him and Zeb Coulter to the ring (this is like WCW-level to pay for something and get no real use out of it). Then you had the dumb payoff to an even dumber storyline in "Cena had his worst year ever in 2012" by giving him the title for the millionth time and having The Rock raise THE CHAMPS hand ruining the amazing heat between the two that had everyone questioning if it was real because of how venomous Rock was to Cena. Oh, and WWE didn't learn their lesson from last year and had big-rear end skyscrapers blocking the view of the ring for the crowd.
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Neodoomium posted:Ed Leslie has had a hundred gimmicks and I have cared about none of them. I was very into Brutus the Barber in 1987-88. He did a cool high knee and then cut peoples hair off. That's entertainment right there.
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Two of the worst PPVs I have ever seen are Extreme Reunion aka Shane Douglas digs up ECW's corpse and beats it once again. The other is Starrcade 94. The main event was Hulk Hogan v Zodiac!
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was Extreme Reunion worse/better than Hardcore Homecoming? Also looks like I gotta watch Starrcade 94 now.
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coconono posted:was Extreme Reunion worse/better than Hardcore Homecoming? Its the show that had Raven coming out with a new flock and one member was Cripple H, and it ended up with Sandman beating the poo poo out of him. Every single match was complete poo poo and there was no enjoyment to be found in the show. It had chants of retire and refund.
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coconono posted:was Extreme Reunion worse/better than Hardcore Homecoming? Holy poo poo. I looked up the match listing, and I had no idea WCW used Mr. T in 1994. The worst part is that they had Savage sitting, doing nothing.
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Red posted:Holy poo poo. I don't think there really was any time for a build for a Savage match. This was still pre-Nitro, and WCW was still taping all its stuff well in advance. Seriously, Savage had only been in WCW for like a month before Starrcade.
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ayn rand hand job posted:I don't think there really was any time for a build for a Savage match. This was still pre-Nitro, and WCW was still taping all its stuff well in advance. Yet the had time to give Hogan a parade. They show clips of it during the show.
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Having been at Mania 29, I mainly remember that the crowd was confused by the finish to Ryback/Henry, Jack Swagger's entrance was boss (so it not being on TV is just weird), then the crowd blew up so much for Punk/Taker that they wouldn't have had anything left even if Brock/Triple H didn't suck.
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I'm glad others think 12's main event was super boring. I remember as a kid thinking it was going to be this amazing thing and a few times I was so tired of it I even left the room and did something else. So it wasn't just me being a dumb kid it really was lame.
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bobkatt013 posted:Two of the worst PPVs I have ever seen are Extreme Reunion aka Shane Douglas digs up ECW's corpse and beats it once again. The other is Starrcade 94. The main event was Hulk Hogan v Zodiac! The Butcher, actually. One of The Three Faces of Fear, along with Avalanche and Kevin Sullivan. After this match Sullivan ran away into a jungle and found his father the Master and then the Dungeon happened.
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How many good Starrcades were there?
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Fag Boy Jim posted:How many good Starrcades were there? I liked 1997 a lot, though it would have been better if Hogan would have allowed himself to just lose.
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projecthalaxy posted:I liked 1997 a lot, though it would have been better if Hogan would have allowed himself to just lose. To elaborate: Hogan was meant to pin Sting and a super fast count was to occur so Bret could pop in, go "NO ONE SHALL BE SCREWED AS I WAS SCREWED!" and restart the match with Sting then winning. What happened instead was Hogan pinned Sting for a very clear and almost slow 3 count so the subsequent stuff made no sense.
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How have I read so many comments about Wrestlemania XI being the worst and not read a single one mentioning the main event being LT vs. Bam Bam Bigelow?
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LightsGameraAction posted:How have I read so many comments about Wrestlemania XI being the worst and not read a single one mentioning the main event being LT vs. Bam Bam Bigelow? Because that match owned.
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That was the co-main, the main was Michaels vs Nash. Just like HHH vs Jericho was the main of X8, not Rock vs Hogan. People forget that because WWE wills it. E: Actually, I checked and was wrong! Taylor vs Bam Bam went on last. Wowsers! projecthalaxy fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Sep 9, 2014 |
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projecthalaxy posted:That was the co-main, the main was Michaels vs Nash. Just like HHH vs Jericho was the main of X8, not Rock vs Hogan. People forget that because WWE wills it.
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Charles Gnarwin posted:Because that match owned. Yeah non-wrestlers tend to get poo poo on a lot for their matches, but LT really seemed to try his best. (same with Karl Malone and his WCW matches) Carlton Banks fucked around with this message at 01:33 on Sep 9, 2014 |
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This basically sums up New Blood Rising for me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fslVUNDCJIU
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Endorph posted:No, people forget that because HHH/Jericho was a poo poo match and everyone was buying it for Rock/Hogan. I wouldn't call it a poo poo match but it was a dumb mistake to have Rock/Hogan NOT as the main event because the crowd was so drained for the main event (even with a Women's Title match being the cooldown match in between). The same thing happened with HHH/Orton at WM25 (though that match had other problems as well) with the crowd being drained after Taker/HBK. People crap on Cena/Rock main-eventing WM28 and 29 but it made sense to just have those as the main events given what happened when WWE had their title in the main event.
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People are getting too hung up on what match goes on last. What's promoted as the show-selling match is more important.
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Fag Boy Jim posted:How many good Starrcades were there? 85 is my all time fave. By the time the main event hit, the mat looked like Jackson Pollock painting.
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Justin Godscock posted:I wouldn't call it a poo poo match but it was a dumb mistake to have Rock/Hogan NOT as the main event because the crowd was so drained for the main event (even with a Women's Title match being the cooldown match in between). The same thing happened with HHH/Orton at WM25 (though that match had other problems as well) with the crowd being drained after Taker/HBK. People crap on Cena/Rock main-eventing WM28 and 29 but it made sense to just have those as the main events given what happened when WWE had their title in the main event. maybe I am wrong, but didn't Canada have limited access to WCW in the 90s? As in, the last time many Canadians saw Hogan regularly was when he was the Hulkster, and they were not fatigued of him the way many Americans were?
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81sidewinder posted:maybe I am wrong, but didn't Canada have limited access to WCW in the 90s? As in, the last time many Canadians saw Hogan regularly was when he was the Hulkster, and they were not fatigued of him the way many Americans were? I don't know about that, I live in Ontario and I grew up watching WCW Nitro around 96-98 period. Lots of Hollywood Hogan and nWo stuff.
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81sidewinder posted:maybe I am wrong, but didn't Canada have limited access to WCW in the 90s? As in, the last time many Canadians saw Hogan regularly was when he was the Hulkster, and they were not fatigued of him the way many Americans were? Nah, we had Nitro and Thunder on TBS up here for regular watching along with the Americans. It was RAW on TSN that was screwy because the CRTC (our FCC) censored the gently caress out of RAW taking out man-on-woman violence and anything too raunchy. I can't really explain why Canada goes nuts for Hogan.
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Montreal vetted Hogan.
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