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blugu64 posted:Them duke boys are at it again! 
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Did they really put the Cossack with Musket on the chest? For someone so contemptuous of anything Ukrainian to use the crest of Zaporizhian Sich is bizarre.
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OddObserver posted:Did they really put the Cossack with Musket on the chest? For someone so contemptuous of anything Ukrainian to use the crest of Zaporizhian Sich is bizarre. They've explicitly laid claim several times to the heritage of the Black Sea Cossacks who were basically the latter-day imperialised heirs of the Zaporizhian Sich so it's not that weird I think.
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TinTower posted:incrediblyshrinkingisrael.png Except insanely enough, the other way around. Russia. You are literally the last country in the world to complain about that you've given too much land up, whatever the consequences.
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TheBalor posted:Kiev used to be THE center of Russian civilization, before the Golden Horde rolled in, murdered everyone, and burned it to a cinder. It eventually came back to Russian control, but never again regained its preeminence. So Russians could semi-reasonably argue that Kiev and the environs has been a Russian place longer than it has any other ethnicity. I know about the Kievan Rus, I was asking about "kill all Ruthenians". That's why I was talking about Rusyns. It's not just a funny spelling of Russian. Wiki says "[Rusyns] descend from a minority of Ruthenians who did not adopt the use of the ethnonym "Ukrainian" in the early 20th century." I had a misconception that Ruthenian pretty much equals modern Rusyn, I get your post now. I guess I have a politically loaded map to post now though. Wiki posted:The use of the term Rusyn was prohibited by some governments, as seen after 1945 in Soviet Transcarpathia, Poland, and Czechoslovakia. Maps taken from the Carpatho-Rusyn Societye webpage. Carpathian Rus' in the 19th century:  Carpatho-Rusyn homeland before WWI:  Carpathian Rus' in 2000: 
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Grab bag of random racist maps:  
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from the d&d pics thread:HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Male-female literacy differential map, 2005. Indicates, not the overall level of literacy, but the gap between male and female literacy rates. looks like some carribean islands, lesotho, and andorra of all places have significantly more literate women than men? also french guyana is just missing data rather than sharing data with france, department or no.
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Lord Hydronium posted:Grab bag of random racist maps:  
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Tree Goat posted:from the d&d pics thread: What's up with Portugal?
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OddObserver posted:What's up with Portugal? I would hazard a guess that it's due to the more rural character of Portugal? Literacy there is still 95%, though.
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OddObserver posted:What's up with Portugal? They're only slightly more urbanized than Angola.
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SaltyJesus posted:I know about the Kievan Rus, I was asking about "kill all Ruthenians". That's why I was talking about Rusyns. It's not just a funny spelling of Russian. Wiki says "[Rusyns] descend from a minority of Ruthenians who did not adopt the use of the ethnonym "Ukrainian" in the early 20th century." I had a misconception that Ruthenian pretty much equals modern Rusyn, I get your post now.  I know not to expect much out of lovely racist maps, but it's interesting to see the Turkic peoples of Central Asia depicted as brown.
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BBJoey posted:That was just my impression of an insane Russian nationalist. I mean, once all of Kievan Rus' has been reclaimed by the Russian Empire, what are they going to do with all these misguided Ruthenian "Ukranians" squatting in Russia's land? I think Russians prefer to see them as "Little Russians" (Little Russia: Малая Русь / Малороссия) than some "Ruthenian" other, ie. just uppity Russians who want to pretend they're not. Kinda goes hand in hand with the opinion that Ukrainian is just a "dialect" of Russian rather than a language of its own. I'm gonna crib a couple of quotes from different wiki pages: quote:The Little Russian identity was a cultural, political, and ethnic self-identification of the elite population of Ukraine who aligned themselves as one of the constituent parts of the triune Russian nationality. The identity was not supported by the majority peasant population, instead preferring the ethnonym Ruthenians (Rusyny, русини) or Rus' people (Rus'kyi narod, руський народ). quote:The All-Russian nation, also known as the pan-Russian or triune Russian nation is a Russophile ideology which sees the Russian nation comprise three historical, regional branches: Great Russians, Little Russians and White Russians. An imperial nation-building dogma, Russians unsuccessfully attempted to transform their Empire into a nation-state on the basis of a triune "All-Russian" nationality that consisted of, in addition to ethnic Russians, all indigenous East Slavic inhabitants of historic Ruthenia (namely, Ukrainians and Belarusians). The concept was coined predominantly by the Kievan clergy and became the official state-sponsored national identity of the Russian Empire, which by the 19th century was embraced by many imperial subjects (including Jews and Germans) and served as the foundation of the Empire. The title of the Russian rulers after Peter the Great, Of All Rus', reflect this dominated ideology in the Russian Empire. quote:In the West, the name "Ruthenia" denoted the former Rus' lands of those Eastern Slavs (many of whom later became subjects of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth) who included both Ukrainians and Belarusians. In the 17th century the term Malorossiya was introduced into the Russian language; in English the term is often translated Little Russia or Little Rus’, depending on the context. Ukrainians, in varying circumstances, have called themselves Ruthenians (alternatively Ruski, Rusyny, and Rutsentsi) and Little Russians (Malorosy) In more recent times, the term Little Russian began to acquire pejorative overtones, denoting both lesser importance and provincial backwardness; in contemporary Ukrainian the term has become entirely derogatory, associated with one who "lacks national consciousness" and with those who would identify as a branch of the all-Russian ethnos. An 1897 map titled "Distribution of main ethnicities of European Russia (by native language)":  Legend:
A 1747 English map and an 1895 German map referring to Ukraine as "Little" and "Klein" Russia respectively:   It is interesting to note that the German map also has "Süd Russland" roughly corresponding to what nationalists claim as the whole "Новоро́ссия" today. It might be illustrative to post maps of the Little Russian Governorate (Малороссийская губерния) and New Russian Governorate (Новороссийская губерния) of the Russian Empire circa 1800. NB: The spelling on the maps is in pre-reform Russian orthography.   Compare with the proposed Federal State of Novorossiya (Федеративное государство Новороссия)  quote:Donetsk and Luhansk Oblast (dark green) and the maximum envisaged territorial control of Novorossiya (light green), according to the leader of the Donetsk People's Republic, Pavel Gubarev. Now, if you want a really politically loaded area/toponym sprinkle in some Red Russia/Ruthenia (Червоная Русь). It used to be frequently contested between the Grand Dutchy of Lithuania, Kingdom of Poland, and Kingdom of Galicia-Volhynia (that last one being one of the historical uses for Malorossiya I believe). poo poo really hit the fan during WWII. It's relevant to the dumb nationalist maps because that's where Western Ukrainians being called Nazis comes from since Bandera's UPA was active in that region. quote:Conflicts in Ruthenia and Volhynia between Poles and Ukrainians also intensified during this time, with skirmishes between the Polish Home Army (AK), Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA), German Wehrmacht, and Soviet partisans. These conflicts included the massacres of Poles in Volhynia, and within Ruthenia, revenge attacks on Ukrainians and Operation Vistula. Despite these warring factions, and despite Ukrainian Galicians joining the UPA and supporting its anti-Soviet and anti-Polish terrorism, some also joined Germany in its fight against the USSR, forming the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS Galizien (1st Ukrainian).  Also I found this:  Donbas is the heart of Russia. (Kosovo is the heart of Serbia har har) Here's a bunch of thread-relevant garbage:        
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Tree Goat posted:from the d&d pics thread: A map from 2005 showing East Germany as a separate country. Good map.
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SaltyJesus posted:Here's a bunch of thread-relevant garbage: 
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A Buttery Pastry posted:[tIMG]UkrainianTrianon.jpg[/tIMG]
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ArchangeI posted:A map from 2005 showing East Germany as a separate country. Good map. hong kong is also separate the mspaint figures on the legend weren't giving me a great vibe either
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This was posted in DnD Pictures thread:Pornographic Memory posted:So thanks to Vox I found one of those "what if instead of current political boundaries we redrew them so this union of states was divided into units of equal population" maps. Except instead of being a fantasy map of redrawn US states, this time it's a map of Europe.  This is politically loaded map personified.
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I think those look really interesting. Kind of like the end of a Europa Universalis game that ended in a stalemate for everyone.
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Lord Hydronium posted:Grab bag of random racist maps: Id like to see an aggregate map from a bunch of white supremacists that measure whiteness. Like im guessing germany, scandanavia, britain and northern france would be white according to 100% of respondents and turkey would be zero percent but how white would italy be? Greece? For most of european history russia was out in the vaugely defined lands marked Here Be DRagons, would they be whiter than the rest of the slavs?
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"Mediterranean Union" is not the smoothest name for a member state/region ever. It's like they started from the North and by the time they got to the South they just said "gently caress it". "Sealand"? When something like this does eventually happen in Europe one day in the distant future I pray the people in charge will have better ideas for names. Fabulous Knight fucked around with this message at 17:27 on Sep 9, 2014 |
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Disco Infiva posted:This was posted in DnD Pictures thread: Sadly no all that laughable given some historic regions on this map. The only one that wouldn't have any historical context is Vasconia.
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"the French overseas territories and departments are included in Mi-France" They thought of everything. 
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Fabulous Knight posted:"Mediterranean Union" is not the smoothest name for a member state/region ever. It's like they started from the North and by the time they got to the South they just said "gently caress it". Something like this wont happen. Even if, in some far, distant future, Europe becomes some kind of federal state, they won't restructure the entire region ignoring virtually all culture and language barriers. Seriously, if the primary goal wasn't equal population, this would be an all around terrible suggestion. e X fucked around with this message at 17:33 on Sep 9, 2014 |
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Fabulous Knight posted:"Mediterranean Union" is not the smoothest name for a member state/region ever. It's like they started from the North and by the time they got to the South they just said "gently caress it". I think for Sealand they just took the names from the provinces of the Netherlands and Denmark that are both named Sealand (Zeeland and Sjælland) Take it up with the medieval Dutch and Danish if you don't like the names icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 17:34 on Sep 9, 2014 |
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Disco Infiva posted:This was posted in DnD Pictures thread: All hail the mighty Adriatica. Now we just have to agree about Venice being the capital. e: Holy poo poo, the MU is Greece plus Magna Graecia. This map somehow makes sense. Take the plunge! Okay! fucked around with this message at 17:36 on Sep 9, 2014 |
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Fabulous Knight posted:"Mediterranean Union" is not the smoothest name for a member state/region ever. France came up with the name.
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A+ would welcome living in Sealand and no longer be associated with those Lowland jerks.
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Truth be told I'd be okay with living in Middle France, we've got Paris and the islands.
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icantfindaname posted:I think for Sealand they just took the names from the provinces of the Netherlands and Denmark that are both named Sealand (Zeeland and Sjælland) Take it up with the medieval Dutch and Danish if you don't like the names Dutch Zeeland isn't in the Sealand on that map though 
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Disco Infiva posted:This was posted in DnD Pictures thread: Yes please, a union of Cyprus, most of Greece and the by far poorest parts of Italy, what could go wrong? On the other hand, I bet A Buttery Pastry is pleased to get back Skania, Schleswig and Holstein, while also gaining Friesia!
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OddObserver posted:What's up with Portugal? The last 40 years weren't enough to fix everything.
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Disco Infiva posted:This was posted in DnD Pictures thread: So the labeled cities are supposed to be what, capitals of autonomous areas? e; Finisterre is a good name for a state.
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Disco Infiva posted:This was posted in DnD Pictures thread: I had to have a second go at this. 1. Why is Cologne suddenly the capital of North Rhine-Westphalia, when it's entirely unchanged from it's current borders as one of the 16 German states, and already has Düsseldorf as it's capital? 2. Good luck convincing the Poles to join a state called Prussia and governed from Berlin. 3. They got rid of the problem of Greece not recognizing Macedonia's name, by taking away Greece Macedonia and joining it to Macedonia and Bulgaria and parts of Romania. Genius! 4. Finally the Baltics can join with their Nordic brothers and sisters, I believe especially Estonia wanted to belong to that club for a long time. Although my only "knowledge" about that issue comes from the Scandinavia And The World webcomic: 
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Torrannor posted:3. They got rid of the problem of Greece not recognizing Macedonia's name, by taking away Greece Macedonia and joining it to Macedonia and Bulgaria and parts of Romania. Genius! Macedonia (fyrom) isn't in the EU, it's a part of the big gray Yugoslavian blob.
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I have a map for you Torrannor, what do you see?
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Kainser posted:Macedonia (fyrom) isn't in the EU, it's a part of the big gray Yugoslavian blob. You are right, shame on me. It still removes the problem of Greece not recognizing them, that job would go to Rumelia. Disco Infiva posted:I have a map for you Torrannor, what do you see? Bulgaria as the Third Rome?
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Torrannor posted:Bulgaria as the Third Rome? Fifth Rome, but that's beside the point. I meant it as Rumelia (Dominated by Bulgaria) now has Greek Macedonia and Torrannor posted:It still removes the problem of Greece not recognizing them, that job would go to Rumelia. also wanting their clay.
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Anyone got any good alt-hist or irredentism maps? 
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