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mfcrocker posted:Flying and trample isn't insignificant but you're right, I'd rather have Whip (which also has the advantage of doing it at instant speed rather than on upkeep) No it doesn't.
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Boxman posted:So, this templating fixes the weird interaction where you can keep the creature if you can find some other effect to flicker it, right? I'm specifically remembering keeping a whipped Obzedat around forever. The "exile it instead of putting it anywhere else" phrase is word-for-word identical to Whip, so nothing's changed. The reason Obzedat and blink effects work with it is that those effects naturally put the card into exile anyway, so that clause doesn't change anything with how they'd work on a normally-cast version of the creature.
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LordSaturn posted:No it doesn't. D'oh, I am a colossal dumb-dumb.
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Abzan and Mardu have the most obviously playable creatures, but all of the Charms are badass, and Savage Knuckleblade, Rattleclaw Mystic, Adamant Negation, Crater's Claws, Mindswipe, Murderous Cut, Pearl Lake Ancient, Heir of the Wilds, Ruthless Ripper, Clever Impersonator, Suspension Field and both walkers are all constructed playable cards.
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Cernunnos posted:Fat Packs retail for $40. Just under half a box. I'm the store that sells boxes at 40% off MSRP but charges full price for fat packs.
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Sep 9, 2014 16:23
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mfcrocker posted:Flying and trample isn't insignificant but you're right, I'd rather have Whip (which also has the advantage of doing it at instant speed rather than on upkeep) Whip can't be used at instant speed but it's 2 less mana to cast and it's static effect is VERY relevant. It's also not going to die to common creature removal. It's much better.
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BXCX posted:I'm the store that sells boxes at 40% off MSRP but charges full price for fat packs. Why would a shop sell boxes for 40% off? Aren't they basically selling them for cost at that point? Seems like a really bad business strategy.
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Sep 9, 2014 16:26
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Everyone posted:No Well, gently caress. Apparently I haven't read Whip in ages.
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Sep 9, 2014 16:26
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You could Whip at Instant speed but to do it requires you to play something that allows you to play a Sorcery at Instant speed like Quicken first. Not that you'd really want to do that unless you desperately need a blocker and have 5 mana available.
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Sep 9, 2014 16:29
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:
You guys need to stop leeching off of Wizards' site. URLs from categorized gaming and entertainment sites are blocked at my work. 
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FreelanceSocialist posted:You should probably just accept that you have a compulsive gambling streak. You've already decided to buy the boxes and open packs. Go do that. Or you could just do this -- jassi007 posted:A set a of fetches if you can wait until Dec-Jan will be $10-15 each. You need 20, so your talking between $200-300. I suspect that about $250 will be where its at. So buy a 4x set of commons/uncommons off ebay for $30-35, a set of fetches for $250, spend another $200ish on singles for a standard deck, get everything you want and not have to crack 216 packs, sort, trade/buylist etc. -- and also budget yourself a little extra to crack some packs. Cracking packs is fun but cracking a lot of packs is a little awful and then suddenly you have 12 good cards and a thousand bad ones.
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Cernunnos posted:You could Whip at Instant speed but to do it requires you to play something that allows you to play a Sorcery at Instant speed like Quicken first.
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Sep 9, 2014 16:31
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Orrery doesn't help either. I only know from reading teferi gatherer rulings
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Sep 9, 2014 16:33
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I don't get why anyone would crack a pack that wasn't in draft or sealed.
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Madmarker posted:I don't get why anyone would crack a pack that wasn't in draft or sealed. My LGS give out packs if you play in FNM and I buy foreign boxes of most sets. Thats pretty much all I crack.
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Sickening posted:Why would a shop sell boxes for 40% off? Aren't they basically selling them for cost at that point? Seems like a really bad business strategy. Because the shop makes a profit buying singles off suckers who buy a box and go to the effort of sifting through it for valuable rares.
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Sep 9, 2014 16:39
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I'm not usually one to crack packs outside of limited, but recently I bought a pack of fallen empires because it was the same cost as the hymn to tourach I needed.
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Madmarker posted:I don't get why anyone would crack a pack that wasn't in draft or sealed. I would believe this if you didn't read a single previous page of this thread.
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Madmarker posted:I don't get why anyone would crack a pack that wasn't in draft or sealed. My roommate and I used to help a friend of ours run a store. There were people who literally asked to trade entire pages of their binders (like, fetches in ZEN standard) just to crack packs. I mean like, not everyone is EV-minded in all their transactions, but this is just, how are you this irresponsible. I'm not sure how common that is, but I'm sure it's way more common than it should be, much like heroin use.
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Sep 9, 2014 16:43
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I think most people in this thread and the trading thread are pretty fiscally smart about magic, but go to any decent sized shop on release night. Tons of people buy one or more boxes and open all the packs, then keep what they want and turn the rest over to the shop for store credit. The store basically profits twice from it. I makes zero financial sense to me, but then I'm an adult with a salary and adult poo poo to pay for so I pinch pennies when it comes to magic.
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Sickening posted:Why would a shop sell boxes for 40% off? Aren't they basically selling them for cost at that point? Seems like a really bad business strategy. Do you know what MSRP on a box is? Most stores sell them 30-40% off.
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Fingers McLongDong posted:I think most people in this thread and the trading thread are pretty fiscally smart about magic, but go to any decent sized shop on release night. Tons of people buy one or more boxes and open all the packs, then keep what they want and turn the rest over to the shop for store credit. The store basically profits twice from it. I makes zero financial sense to me, but then I'm an adult with a salary and adult poo poo to pay for so I pinch pennies when it comes to magic. Is this really much weirder than people who buy lotto tickets all the time, though?
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Madmarker posted:I don't get why anyone would crack a pack that wasn't in draft or sealed. I don't get why every X pages we need to have this conversation where two sides talk past eachother about "why would you crack a pack beep boop" "because i'm a literal addict and cracking packs owns"
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Sep 9, 2014 16:44
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I'm more excited about the playset binders than any of the post fetchland spoilers.
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Sickening posted:Why would a shop sell boxes for 40% off? Aren't they basically selling them for cost at that point? Seems like a really bad business strategy. Cost of boxes to stores usually runs from $72-75 depending on their deal with the distributor. $85 is usually the lowest you can get them for as a non-retailer and it's not terribly common unless you have a hookup or a store that doesn't care about making money from sealed product since they make up for it in singles. I have a bunch of friends locally who love to buy a box, sell the money singles back to the store, and buy more boxes until they hit a bad box and the gravy train stops. They are then bummed they have a piles of commons and uncommons and no chase rares to build decent decks with. No amount of explaining that they'd make more money back selling the cards online or telling them to at least set up a draft with the packs ever works, they go to the store at midnight of release day and crack all the packs right there 
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The Banners will probably be a slightly higher pick than Cluestones or Obelisks were, which is to say not very high. There is a full set of refuges at common and trilands at uncommon (and fetches at rare), so the banners will be third-tier mana fixing: Still playable, decent for ramping into something big, but you might get beaten down while you're busy casting one.
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Madmarker posted:I don't get why anyone would crack a pack that wasn't in draft or sealed. Its fun if you don't go full retard. I usually go to FNM to play constructed, its $5. I take a $10, entry fee, a pack, and a soda.
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Why would you buy a soda? You can get a full canister of Coke syrup and then mix your own at home. Ugh, I still need to pick up 3 Caryatids. Really should have traded for those beforehand. There are tonnes of people at my LGS who "just hate green", so I guess that helps. I should be able to trade some mythics for them. It doesn't help that I'm going to feel obligated to pick up full playsets of the fetches. Wizards is going to do pretty well in Khans, I think.
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Lets Pickle posted:The Banners will probably be a slightly higher pick than Cluestones or Obelisks were, which is to say not very high. There is a full set of refuges at common and trilands at uncommon (and fetches at rare), so the banners will be third-tier mana fixing: Still playable, decent for ramping into something big, but you might get beaten down while you're busy casting one. We're also still waiting on the last cycle of 5 non-basic lands, too, right? I hope/assume they are dual/color-producing and not stupid poo poo like Radiant's Fountain.
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So pretty much all the cards I thought would spike for next standard season have spiked already... Caryatid, Xenagos, Confluance. Master of Waves is still 4 bucks and Thassa is 7.... Those can't stay like that.
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jassi007 posted:Its fun if you don't go full retard. I usually go to FNM to play constructed, its $5. I take a $10, entry fee, a pack, and a soda. My store has a $10 credit card minimum so I'll grab a pack or two if they don't have any ~$5 singles I'm after on modern nights where I don't have cash on me. The smell of fresh cards is too alluring to pass up. I did good with M15 though, I didn't buy any packs that weren't immediately drafted and any prize packs are still technically in their wrappers for future casual drafts/sealed/wizards towers although I cut them open to check for rares I need for standard, lucky for me they've been 40ish packs of hot garbage  HMS Boromir posted:I don't get why every X pages we need to have this conversation where two sides talk past eachother about "why would you crack a pack beep boop" "because i'm a literal addict and cracking packs owns" The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Games > Traditional Games > Magic: The Gathering: The Megathread: Our Opinions Never Change but it is Fun to Share Them
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I occasionally crack packs, but I don't expect to get my money out of it. I do it to do mini-masters or Winchester drafts with my friends, or sometimes just at the end of a big Target shopping trip I'll throw one in my cart. It's fun and a rush, not a sound way to acquire product. Also, I do sometimes get boxes for ridiculously cheap-- $70 on average. As a judge, sometimes I am also awarded boxes for events. Those I'll draft with friends and crack the remainder.
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I also couldn't blame anyone going apeshit on a box of Modern Masters.
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Babylon Astronaut posted:I also couldn't blame anyone going apeshit on a box of Modern Masters. I dont know, not drafting a box of Modern Masters seems like a war crime.
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odiv posted:Why would you buy a soda? You can get a full canister of Coke syrup and then mix your own at home. I do brew my own beer, does that count?
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Zoness posted:I dont know, not drafting a box of Modern Masters seems like a war crime. I cracked mine to see what rares I got, left them all in the packs. We drafted them. My friends laughed at me, but i had to know!
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MiddleEastBeast posted:We're also still waiting on the last cycle of 5 non-basic lands, too, right? I hope/assume they are dual/color-producing and not stupid poo poo like Radiant's Fountain. There's only one left. There are 21 nonbasic land slots, starting at Bloodfell Caves (229) and going to Wooded Foothills (249). We currently 5 fetches, 5 trilands, 10 refuges, leaving one slot for a colourless/gold land (you could probably narrow down the name if you looked at the existing collector numbers). Okay, there may be 22 if there's another land alphabetically before Bloodfell Caves. Either that or it's an artifact alphabetically after Ugin's Nexus.
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Zoness posted:I dont know, not drafting a box of Modern Masters seems like a war crime.
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Jabor posted:There's only one left. There are 21 nonbasic land slots, starting at Bloodfell Caves (229) and going to Wooded Foothills (249). We currently 5 fetches, 5 trilands, 10 refuges, leaving one slot for a colourless/gold land (you could probably narrow down the name if you looked at the existing collector numbers). Aardvark Arbor.
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