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Lunsku posted:They're pretty great size for hauling my magic stuff with me. One can nicely fit two deck boxes, dice and counters, tokens and lands for drafts. Also more like third the price here for that quarter. Right. I guess I just buy opened ones for $5 at most when I need one. It's the cost of a pack and you'll actually get $5 out of it!  I'm spoiled when I'm at school cuz star city always gives away tons of poo poo during prerelease weekend. I think it's probably going to be fat pack boxes, a playmat, and sleeves this time around.
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MTGSalvation bums me out so hard. It's like those surveys that show 90+% of Americans consider themselves middle class. A whole site full of self-described Spikes who are absolutely terrible at card evaluation. The gold standard they hold up as the power level of sets is Zendikar; and while Zendikar certainly was higher-power than RTR/Theros/Khans, it also had Kabira Evangel, Lullmage Mentor, Sadistic Sacrament, Electropotence, Predatory Urge, Blade of the Bloodchief etc etc. People only ever remember the highest power cards from a given environment, so all past environments look stronger than the present.
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Sep 9, 2014 17:18
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Sep 9, 2014 17:18
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Sep 9, 2014 17:20
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Entropic posted:Between the I get that 3 color needs fixing, but this is going to be like DGM packs where it is just poo poo tons of cluestones.
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Sep 9, 2014 17:21
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Entropic posted:Between the If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:MTGSalvation bums me out so hard. It's like those surveys that show 90+% of Americans consider themselves middle class. A whole site full of self-described Spikes who are absolutely terrible at card evaluation. Also they equate high-power=healthy environment. Zendikar block brought us Jace and stone forge mystic dominated formats. Also, the fixing is exactly what the limited environment needs to be fun. They have said repeatedly that shards block's biggest problem was not enough fixing.
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Sep 9, 2014 17:22
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DGM limited had a lot of three-color decks and the fixing was mostly confined to a set of common ETBT duals and cycling mana rocks. If you want a 3-color limited format, use what you know works.sarmhan posted:Yea, it's really awful. I agree, but go back and look at the visual spoilers for Zendikar and Worldwake. It was a high-powered format, but the VAST majority of the rares and mythics were unplayable garbage. Felidar Sovereign, Lorthos the Tidemaker, Terra Eternal, Thada Adel, the list goes on. Stoneforge Mystic and Daddy Jace were the ONLY constructed playable rares/mythics in their respective colors in Worldwake. A set that's 85% garbage and 10% needs-to-banned broken cards is a terrible set. DAD LOST MY IPOD fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Sep 9, 2014 |
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Sep 9, 2014 17:23
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jassi007 posted:I get that 3 color needs fixing, but this is going to be like DGM packs where it is just poo poo tons of cluestones. I don't think so, there were 10 cluestones in a small set vs. 5 clan banners in a large set... I don't think it will even be close.
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Sep 9, 2014 17:23
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jassi007 posted:I get that 3 color needs fixing, but this is going to be like DGM packs where it is just poo poo tons of cluestones. Except clanbanners take up approximate 1/3 the space of the set that cluestones did?
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:MTGSalvation bums me out so hard. It's like those surveys that show 90+% of Americans consider themselves middle class. A whole site full of self-described Spikes who are absolutely terrible at card evaluation. The internet at large is god awful at card evaluation in spoilers season. Ain't nothing new there. The pessimism can get annoying, but then it's super interesting to see how wrong everybody was on certain cards, including yourself.
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Sep 9, 2014 17:23
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jassi007 posted:I get that 3 color needs fixing, but this is going to be like DGM packs where it is just poo poo tons of cluestones. DGM was a small set, Khans is large
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Sep 9, 2014 17:24
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jassi007 posted:I get that 3 color needs fixing, but this is going to be like DGM packs where it is just poo poo tons of cluestones. It won't be that bad. 5 cluestones instead of ten, plus it's a large set, not a small set like DGM was.
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Sep 9, 2014 17:25
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Yeah they're unremarkable but they are strictly better. Sometimes the simplest answer is the best one.
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Sep 9, 2014 17:27
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Bread Set Jettison posted:Yeah they're unremarkable but they are strictly better. Sometimes the simplest answer is the best one. Nope, still need three mana to activate the draw. People need to stop using strictly better without realizing what strictly means.
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Sep 9, 2014 17:34
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Butcher of the Horde looks pretty good, but I'm doubtful people will be clamoring to play in that color combination. I hope I'm wrong. Honestly, I'm crossing my fingers that any of the non-green clans will be playable, because I can all too easily envision a Standard where all the decks are Caryatid/Courser.
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Sep 9, 2014 17:36
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qbert posted:Butcher of the Horde looks pretty good, but I'm doubtful people will be clamoring to play in that color combination. I hope I'm wrong. The only problem with those colors is that they don't lend themselves well to fixing due to lack of green. That said, I could definitely see a Mardu token-based build that uses this guy as a finisher. This guy + Akroan Horse gives you an activation every turn.
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Sep 9, 2014 17:39
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Ramos posted:Nope, still need three mana to activate the draw. ~~Strictly better~~ than Obelisks!!
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Sep 9, 2014 17:39
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Zoness posted:~~Strictly better~~ than Obelisks!!
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Sep 9, 2014 17:45
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 Here's a card people will totally underevaluate (this would be miserable at uncommon)
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Sep 9, 2014 17:49
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Zoness posted:Except clanbanners take up approximate 1/3 the space of the set that cluestones did? + a cycle of 10 common lands + a cycle of 5 uncommon lands + a cycle of 5 clanstones. I know it will make draft enjoyable but with 15 commons and 5 uncommon fixers most packs are bound to have 1 if not more than 1.
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Sep 9, 2014 17:52
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Alaan posted:It's a super narrow range in the middle of two T cards it could be. Between Th______ and To_________ I think. Basically a guaranteed new card. Tomb, Ancient
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Sep 9, 2014 17:53
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Zorak posted:
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Sep 9, 2014 17:54
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Is there still room in this set for a Serene Master reprint? Would fit really nicely into the set I think.
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Alaan posted:It's a super narrow range in the middle of two T cards it could be. Between Th______ and To_________ I think. Basically a guaranteed new card.
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jassi007 posted:+ a cycle of 10 common lands + a cycle of 5 uncommon lands + a cycle of 5 clanstones. I know it will make draft enjoyable but with 15 commons and 5 uncommon fixers most packs are bound to have 1 if not more than 1. Except most of that is -good- fixing? I don't get what you're trying to get at here drawing a comparison to cluestones, which were miserable. Like, these refuges are way better than gates, since they offset the tempo loss to an extent, and trilands are amazing. Drawing a comparison to RTR in terms of fixing density is misleading too, when the goal is to rectify the lack of fixing in Shards. I mean, don't get me wrong, I don't mind the IPA idea of make 3-5 color decks with extremely flimsy fixing and get there because your cards are that powerful, but that's no the kind of limited that people are likely to want to play any more. Also IPA featured strategies like open FTK. Zoness fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Sep 9, 2014 |
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jassi007 posted:+ a cycle of 10 common lands + a cycle of 5 uncommon lands + a cycle of 5 clanstones. I know it will make draft enjoyable but with 15 commons and 5 uncommon fixers most packs are bound to have 1 if not more than 1. That's exactly WHY there are so many: every pack you open in limited giving you a good chance to get color fixing. Limited is awesome and you don't open packs for constructed, so I don't see any problems here.
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Sep 9, 2014 17:58
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Zorak posted:
BW TOKENS
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Zorak posted:
Well it's miserable at rare too
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Bread Set Jettison posted:This card is bonkers. Mardu Rabble.
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You want some pearls? Have some goddamn pearls!
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Also the actual problem with DGM was that you were lucky to see 5 playable cards per pack, not that the packs would all have a cluestone and gate in them.
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The problem with cluestones was not that they were mana fixing. The problem was that there were way more than anyone needed. Even slow decks usually didn't want more than 2. Compare with gates, which were fought over intensely and it was hard to get enough of them.
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Esser-Z posted:That's exactly WHY there are so many: every pack you open in limited giving you a good chance to get color fixing. Cards that only really have a purpose in limited bum me out sometimes. I like cards like 4B murder with delve because I can think of uses for them besides just in a draft. I'm happy limited will have good fixing. I am unhappy with the fact that I know I will be looking for 4x of a card and have to sift through a huge loving pile of mana fixing cards that see no play except for the occasional pauper or edh.
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So with all this abzan bullshit, ajani steadfast looks to be pretty well positioned, right?
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jassi007 posted:Cards that only really have a purpose in limited bum me out sometimes. I like cards like 4B murder with delve because I can think of uses for them besides just in a draft. I'm happy limited will have good fixing. I am unhappy with the fact that I know I will be looking for 4x of a card and have to sift through a huge loving pile of mana fixing cards that see no play except for the occasional pauper or edh. First, I'm pretty sure the fixing will be useful in Standard and it'll definitely be used in dinner table magic. Second, I'm sure Wizards is happy with your approach to getting playsets.
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I really want to play control or counterburn this Standard and it bizarrely looks like Temur's the clan for that, but that makes me sad because I really don't want to buy/trade for a playset of Coursers  . I have had at some point or another probably close to 15 Caryatids but I flip them almost as quick as I get them since they are great trade fodder.
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A big flaming stink posted:So with all this abzan bullshit, ajani steadfast looks to be pretty well positioned, right? Considering Mentor of Heroes is G/W and can dole out +1/+1 counters like candy or dig for more creatures and walkers I'd say both Ajanis are sitting pretty.
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Zorak posted:
Also a reminder that this card is not a combo with this one. At least, in flavor cube. Zoness fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Sep 9, 2014 |
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Zoness posted:Also a reminder that this card is not a combo with this one. You should never flip Pearls before Swine, because then all of your dudes will be 2/2s. Other way around gives you 4/4s.
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