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boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich
Why on Earth would anyone who gives a poo poo about things like artificial flavors drink at Starbucks in the first place? "My god, my processed foodstuff... is processed!"

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Al Harrington
May 1, 2005

I used to be an adventurer like you, then I took an arrow in the eye
:siren: GMO :siren:

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Popular Thug Drink posted:

Why on Earth would anyone who gives a poo poo about things like artificial flavors drink at Starbucks in the first place? "My god, my processed foodstuff... is processed!"

*Clears his throat aggressively* :supaburn::derp:TOXINS:derp::freep:

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.
The source is fullbore crazy. From her wikipedia page section on microwaves:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vani_Hari posted:

Hari has argued against the use of microwave ovens, for reasons that include the claim that they cause water molecules to form crystals that resemble crystals that have been exposed to "negative thoughts or beliefs," including the names of Hitler and Satan. She cites the work of Dr. Masaru Emoto in support of this claim. Dr. Novella calls Emoto's claims "pure pseudoscience" and states that "Hari's conclusions about microwaves are all demonstrably incorrect and at odds with the scientific evidence."

That's Rense Network levels- literally, it's something he's claimed. I particularly appreciate the "toxic dose of sugar" entry, given the recent sugar discussion. The different food conspiracy theories feed into each other, as this sort of posting demonstrates. Her site is used as an indirect market for a number of "pure product" companies that sell various "chemical free" products, so I doubt it's just her, she's effectively the mascot for a larger marketing effort. A heavy source of "detox" diets and products, too, from a quick search of her previous posts. If you know someone endorsing or agreeing with this stuff, it's actually quite important to get them out of this particular area of nuttery- many of the diets or lifestyle changes this particular area of internet horror promotes can have really negative health consequences, including eating disorders, malnutrition, organ damage and death by a variety of means.

Here's a couple more fun ones:




No better sign of evil than the approval of Dr. Oz.



There's a policy danger here, too. FoodBabe has successfully used twitter campaigns(#FoodBabeArmy) to pressure companies into dropping or changing ingredients, which can have adverse effects on food costs or, potentially, safety.

Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Sep 9, 2014

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe
And now, a miracle website that will literally allow you to live forever!*







*I've been required to inform you that this claim, while feeling true, is untrue.

snorch
Jul 27, 2009
Pretty sure you can do this with pretty much anything by simply adding the appropriate neo-hippie dogwhistles.

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin

thathonkey posted:



This was on my Facebook today. A pumpkin latte or whatever is no doubt a lovely drink but prob not for those reasons.

:siren: monsanto milk :siren:

Al Harrington
May 1, 2005

I used to be an adventurer like you, then I took an arrow in the eye
lol if you don't spend all day funneling coffee into your rear end

snorch
Jul 27, 2009
Isn't nutmeg like super toxic?

Neruz
Jul 23, 2012

A paragon of manliness
Guys it contains a toxic dose of sugar! That means that 50% of the people who drink it suffer toxicity! :colbert:


One of these days someone is going to make one of these images that has actual legit data and facts behind it and nobody will notice because of all of the lying bullshit that preceded it.

TerminalSaint
Apr 21, 2007


Where must we go...

we who wander this Wasteland in search of our better selves?
Maybe it doesn't have any pumpkin because it's a pumpkin pie spice latte, not a pumpkin pie latte.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

snorch posted:

Isn't nutmeg like super toxic?

I am not a doctor.

First and foremost, nutmeg is an abortifacient- you should monitor your consumption if you're pregnant, although it'd take a heavy dose. Otherwise, consuming significant amounts of it (we're talking grams of the stuff) is toxic- organ damage, and potential death, can result (the same is true of cinnamon and a bunch of other spices, actually- one reason to never do the "cinnamon challenge", or any equivalents). Nutmeg has also been the source of rumors about a "legal high" since at least the 60s- there were a few hospitalizations and a death or so each year from people trying to smoke it. The practice has thankfully almost completely disappeared, since the psychogenic effects are nigh-universally incredibly unpleasant, and the dose required is toxic.

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin

Discendo Vox posted:

I am not a doctor.

First and foremost, nutmeg is an abortifacient- you should monitor your consumption if you're pregnant, although it'd take a heavy dose. Otherwise, consuming significant amounts of it (we're talking grams of the stuff) is toxic- organ damage, and potential death, can result (the same is true of cinnamon and a bunch of other spices, actually- one reason to never do the "cinnamon challenge", or any equivalents). Nutmeg has also been the source of rumors about a "legal high" since at least the 60s- there were a few hospitalizations and a death or so each year from people trying to smoke it. The practice has thankfully almost completely disappeared, since the psychogenic effects are nigh-universally incredibly unpleasant, and the dose required is toxic.

Surgeon General Warns Teens Cinnamon Challenge Is Not For Pussies

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.
All things have a toxic dose, and you we humans have a remarkable ability to come up with excuses to expose ourselves to that dose. Someone dies during a water-drinking contest every few years. The organizers go to jail, but it just keeps happening.

Swan Oat
Oct 9, 2012

I was selected for my skill.
I am shocked that Starbucks, a global company with a global supply chain, has PRESERVATIVES in some of their coffee drinks. What the gently caress?

Rigged Death Trap
Feb 13, 2012

BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP

Discendo Vox posted:

I am not a doctor.

First and foremost, nutmeg is an abortifacient- you should monitor your consumption if you're pregnant, although it'd take a heavy dose. Otherwise, consuming significant amounts of it (we're talking grams of the stuff) is toxic- organ damage, and potential death, can result (the same is true of cinnamon and a bunch of other spices, actually- one reason to never do the "cinnamon challenge", or any equivalents). Nutmeg has also been the source of rumors about a "legal high" since at least the 60s- there were a few hospitalizations and a death or so each year from people trying to smoke it. The practice has thankfully almost completely disappeared, since the psychogenic effects are nigh-universally incredibly unpleasant, and the dose required is toxic.

Welllll it is a 'legal high' in that it lasts ~3 days and is typically delirium of a worse degree than feckin Datura.

Gooth
Jul 9, 2012

Makes the world taste good!

Discendo Vox posted:


No better sign of evil than the approval of Dr. Oz


Isn't that the ooze that created the ninja turtles?

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe

snorch posted:

Isn't nutmeg like super toxic?

You can get crunk on it, read The Autobiography of Malcolm X

Though I understand it to be a very unwelcome form of crunk which is only slightly preferable to severe drug withdrawal.

Fuckt Tupp
Apr 19, 2007

Science

SedanChair posted:

You can get crunk on it, read The Autobiography of Malcolm X

Though I understand it to be a very unwelcome form of crunk which is only slightly preferable to severe drug withdrawal.

So like salvia then?

seiferguy
Jun 9, 2005

FLAWED
INTUITION



Toilet Rascal

thathonkey posted:

A pumpkin latte or whatever is no doubt a lovely drink but prob not for those reasons.

Pumpkin Spice lattes own, sorry (though you should probably get one from a place not called Starbucks - support your local baristas etc etc).

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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Did this absolute fuckup underline "vanillin" ?

Spangly A
May 14, 2009

God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

Discendo Vox posted:

The practice has thankfully almost completely disappeared, since the psychogenic effects are nigh-universally incredibly unpleasant, and the dose required is toxic.

most of what you wrote was wrong and this bit was the most wrong. The toxic dose is dangerously close to the onset of the recreational effects, which are reportedly enjoyable, and this leads to imprecise/heavy doses having overlap with toxic doses. Mild stomach cramps are the worst you'll see at correct dose levels.

The side effects are less important in dwindling use than the fact that drinking nutmeg is extremely difficult and not cost effective compared to hawaiian baby woodrose seeds. I'll concede that health services think it disappeared but this doesn't make it true; it just makes it a pain in the loving arse waiting on the tox lab to get back to us.

VideoTapir
Oct 18, 2005

He'll tire eventually.

Brawnfire posted:

Did this absolute fuckup underline "vanillin" ?

Don't you get it? It's ARTIFICIAL vanillin, it could be made from ANYTHING.

Neruz
Jul 23, 2012

A paragon of manliness
Its always entertaining when people start screaming about things with fancy scientific names because they have no loving clue what those names actually mean.

OH poo poo IT HAS SODIUM BENZOATE IN IT! Yep, better watch out for that deadly, deadly salt. Nasty stuff, made by plants you know.

sentientcarbon
Aug 21, 2008

OFFLINE GAMES ARE THE FUTURE OF ONLINE GAMING

The numbers don't lie. 99.99% of every Diablo 3 player wants the game to be offline. This is a FACT.

OH SHIT IS THAT A WEBCAM? HOLY CRAP GET THAT AWAY FROM ME! (I am terrified of being spied on, because I am a very interesting person)

Sgt. McKill posted:

I got this e-mail from my dad the other day, I think it's a popular one.

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before,
but had once failed an entire class.

That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.

The professor then said, "OK,
we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan".

All grades would be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade so no one would fail and no one would receive an A.

After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B.
The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy.

As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.
The second test average was a D!
No one was happy.

When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.

The scores never increased as bickering,
blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

All failed, to their great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.


Someone posted a great response to this a while back, where instead of the grades being distributed under 'socialism', they were distributed the way money is actually distributed in america under capitalism. Something like "1% of the class has a GPA of 10000.0 because their fathers went to that university and forced all the black students to do their work for them and took their GPA's, the bottom 50% of the class has a GPA of 0.1 even though they study for far more hours." Anyone know the response I'm talking about?

Neruz
Jul 23, 2012

A paragon of manliness
I wonder if any of the people screaming "If we don't force people to be productive members of society they won't be!" will ever realize that in fact the vast majority of human beings want to be a productive member of society and contribute something of worth to other human beings. This isn't even something that is up for debate; it's been shown time and time again that given the opportunity most people would rather do something productive than sit around all day being fat.

Do these people just not understand that boredom is a thing?

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


Neruz posted:

Guys it contains a toxic dose of sugar! That means that 50% of the people who drink it suffer toxicity! :colbert:


One of these days someone is going to make one of these images that has actual legit data and facts behind it and nobody will notice because of all of the lying bullshit that preceded it.

One of the funniest thing about it is they even decry the "Natural flavoring" because they have to say everything about it is bad.

VideoTapir
Oct 18, 2005

He'll tire eventually.

Neruz posted:

I wonder if any of the people screaming "If we don't force people to be productive members of society they won't be!" will ever realize that in fact the vast majority of human beings want to be a productive member of society and contribute something of worth to other human beings. This isn't even something that is up for debate; it's been shown time and time again that given the opportunity most people would rather do something productive than sit around all day being fat.

Do these people just not understand that boredom is a thing?

At heart, they are the lazy ones. They're also the ones who want to marry dogs.

A Fancy 400 lbs
Jul 24, 2008

I posted this one on FB yesterday and had people who just skimmed it freaking out about Monsanto. It was hilarious.

poop device
Mar 6, 2010
Lipstick Apathy

VideoTapir posted:

Don't you get it? It's ARTIFICIAL vanillin, it could be made from ANYTHING.

most likely petroleum.

Neruz
Jul 23, 2012

A paragon of manliness

VideoTapir posted:

At heart, they are the lazy ones. They're also the ones who want to marry dogs.

I actually think that the people who say poo poo like this are mostly people who have never had the opportunity to be bored; for whatever reason their lives are constantly filled with obligations and things that need doing and they like to fantasize about not having to do anything ever without actually realising how soul-crushingly dismal not doing anything ever actually is.

poop device posted:

most likely petroleum.

Ancient long-dead ferns; the source of everything wrong with food.

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin

sentientcarbon posted:

Someone posted a great response to this a while back, where instead of the grades being distributed under 'socialism', they were distributed the way money is actually distributed in america under capitalism. Something like "1% of the class has a GPA of 10000.0 because their fathers went to that university and forced all the black students to do their work for them and took their GPA's, the bottom 50% of the class has a GPA of 0.1 even though they study for far more hours." Anyone know the response I'm talking about?

This one?

quote:

An economics professor at Texas Tech said he had never failed a single student before but had, once, failed an entire class. That class had insisted that socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer. The professor then said ok, we will have an experiment in this class on socialism.

All grades would be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade so no one would fail and no one would receive an A. After the first test the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. But, as the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too; so they studied little.. The second test average was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around the average was an F.

The scores never increased as bickering, blame, name calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else. All failed, to their great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great; but when government takes all the reward away; no one will try or want to succeed.
...

The economics teacher concluded his story, "And that's how an entire class failed this course with their experiment in socialism."

A young, brainy, student spoke up "Excuse me, while we're on the subject of grades, I've been having a hard time understanding exactly how grades work at this University, I've asked around a lot and while I have been repeatedly assured that it's fair and that if I work hard I will succeed, I can't actually figure out how my GPA is determined."

The professor perked up and answered "Unlike other schools that punish students for their success, here at Free Republic University we reward our most academically distinguished students. The top students receive first picks at the classes they'd like to take and are also entrusted with the distribution of class supplies, i.e., textbooks, paper and pencils.

Speaking of which, it'd be a good idea for you all to get in contact with our current top student right now, Edgar Moneybags IV, with a GPA of 25.34, he's been entrusted with all of your textbooks."

A student from the back cried out "Edgar isn't here today, he's FAR too busy with his academic pursuits to waste time here, I work for Edgar and you can each rent one of Edgar's textbooks for only 30% of your grades."

The brainy student asked the professor, "How can Edgar have such a high GPA when it's only the first week of class?"

The professor answered, "His father was a student here and when he passed away, Edgar inherited his father's GPA, after all, Edgar Moneybags III earned that GPA, we don't have the right to tell him how it should be distributed."

An angry student stood up "So wait, some student who isn't even here is going to force us to give up 30% of our grade to him just because he was lucky enough to have parents with good grades? We'll all be stuck at a GPA of 2.0"

Edgar's Lackey spoke next "Actually, after all the fees from pencil rental and purchases of paper, we're expecting to get around 40% of your grades, and you're not all going to get perfect scores on every test so you guys can all look forward to a class average of GPA of 1.2 . But that's just from grades alone, if you're motivated like me, you can do some extra work for Edgar and make some extra GPA points, I've got a 4.8 . The GPA points that Edgar spreads around to people who help him actually brings the class average all the way up to 4.4, we call it "Trickle Down"

Another student asked "But wait, doesn't that mean that if we spread the grades around evenly that everyone would have an extremely high GPA?"

The brainy student spoke again, "I heard that half of students have a GPA less than 0.9, I thought you said that no one ever fails."

The Professor interjected "To answer the first question, that doesn't work, remember the story?!, and for the second question, Edgar Moneybags III, as the Valedictorian, was the one who got to choose what counts as a passing grade."

The brainy student spoke up one final time, "I guess that answers my next question, I looked up the grades for that class that did that experiment in socialism. The class earned nearly perfect scores for all three tests! Let me guess, Edgar set the scale so that 100% was a B for the first test, a D for the second test and an F for the third test?"

The professor furiously stammered "Edgar was being generous when he gave them all F's, he should have had them all expelled. Why do you all insist on punishing him for his success!" The professor ran crying from the room.

The brainy student walked to the front of the classroom and spoke "From now on we'll distribute the textbooks to everyone and we'll share the pencils and paper, if you study you'll succeed, if you don't you'll fail. Either way it'll be because of your own effort, not because of what family you happened to be born in."

That brainy student's name: Albert Einstein

CowHammer
Feb 18, 2013

Gooth posted:

Isn't that the ooze that created the ninja turtles?

It's a secret :ssh:

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

I got another libertarian post, this time a Mises.org article comparing outlawing those 900% APR Native American payday loans, an ingenious method of going around stifling anti-business regulation, to anti-Japanese land laws in California from the 1920s.

thathonkey
Jul 17, 2012
The scary thing is the person who posted that anti-GMO/PROCESSED INGREDIENTS alarmist Starbucks macro is normally a pretty sane, rational person. In fact, I think she is a biomedical engineering grad student if I recall correctly (which would make it REALLY scary). Sorry, too lazy to go look up who posted it now but it was somebody who I was somewhat surprised to find posting such obvious drivel from a dubious blog source.

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005



Pretty sure it's "Native American Tribes" most of the time.

letthereberock
Sep 4, 2004

I'm sure Monsanto legitimately does a lot of lovely things - but thanks to crazy email forwards I just instantly check out any time I see that name used and assume I am reading something written by a crackpot. It's similar to "toxins" or "sheeple", words that automatically make me think, "this was written by someone who has no idea what the gently caress they're talking about."

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin

letthereberock posted:

I'm sure Monsanto legitimately does a lot of lovely things - but thanks to crazy email forwards I just instantly check out any time I see that name used and assume I am reading something written by a crackpot. It's similar to "toxins" or "sheeple", words that automatically make me think, "this was written by someone who has no idea what the gently caress they're talking about."

I just post this:

Can Somebody Tell Me What Monsanto Is So I Can Hate It?

Dirk the Average
Feb 7, 2012

"This may have been a mistake."
We actually did do something similar to that e-mail about grades in one of my social studies classes in college - the idea was that everyone could donate a percentage of their grade into a pot (up to 10%). Those grades were then doubled and redistributed to everyone in the class. So if the entire class put in ten points, then everyone would get twenty points back and gain a net ten points. Of course, if everyone but you put in ten points, then you'd end up with twenty additional points. Most of the people in the class lived in the same dorm, so there were people who were campaigning hard to get everyone to donate ten points.

In the end, I put in zero, and a few friends I knew put in zero, but that's primarily because we didn't want to risk losing points from our grades. I don't remember what the return was, but I think the class got back around seven or eight points. Some people campaigned for us to repeat the experiment, which we did, and the return that time was something like three points. I feel bad for one unfortunate person who put in ten points both times, however.

I'm not going to claim that this means anything with respect to politics, it's just an interesting example of these sorts of things happening. I even flirted with the idea of joining the people who coerced others into giving up ten points in order to boost my grade when I put in zero. After all, the amount we put in was completely anonymous with respect to the rest of the class and grades were private, so who would know?

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Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

Dirk the Average posted:

We actually did do something similar to that e-mail about grades in one of my social studies classes in college - the idea was that everyone could donate a percentage of their grade into a pot (up to 10%). Those grades were then doubled and redistributed to everyone in the class. So if the entire class put in ten points, then everyone would get twenty points back and gain a net ten points. Of course, if everyone but you put in ten points, then you'd end up with twenty additional points. Most of the people in the class lived in the same dorm, so there were people who were campaigning hard to get everyone to donate ten points.

In the end, I put in zero, and a few friends I knew put in zero, but that's primarily because we didn't want to risk losing points from our grades. I don't remember what the return was, but I think the class got back around seven or eight points. Some people campaigned for us to repeat the experiment, which we did, and the return that time was something like three points. I feel bad for one unfortunate person who put in ten points both times, however.

I'm not going to claim that this means anything with respect to politics, it's just an interesting example of these sorts of things happening. I even flirted with the idea of joining the people who coerced others into giving up ten points in order to boost my grade when I put in zero. After all, the amount we put in was completely anonymous with respect to the rest of the class and grades were private, so who would know?

And that is why it is important to have a progressive taxation system in place in order to fund rational and needs-based welfare programs, with severe and public punishments for evasion.

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