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MothraAttack posted:Your friend is misquoting an alternative news story that claims Snowden said that NSA leaks show that the US funded ISIS. This was originally a Press TV story, and Greenwald denied its veracity. Don't forget that conspiratards are randomly circling a guy's face in the pictures claiming that it's al-Baghdadi prior to the proclamation of the caliphate. McCain was just there to give them support behind it all played out!  Radio Prune posted:From what I've seen, Wikileaks has been posting a lot of crazy conspiracy stuff on twitter lately and posting links to RT et al.
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Count Roland posted:Like what? It is a leaks site after all, much of its content will be "conspiracy stuff" by definition. Looking at their homepage doesn't set off any alarm bells for me. Cant really recall many off the top of my head, but I seem do seem to remember them pushing MH17 stuff. I don't follow wikileaks on Twitter so I only see stuff because people retweet it (in a "look at this bullshit" sense.) 
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David Icke is an interesting figure, since his whole schtick seems increasingly appropriate for our information environment. whodunnit? who cares?
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Radio Prune posted:Cant really recall many off the top of my head, but I seem do seem to remember them pushing MH17 stuff. I don't follow wikileaks on Twitter so I only see stuff because people retweet it (in a "look at this bullshit" sense.) A quick Google search shows this. https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/492033939142619136 quote:A new angle on MH17: Rebels fired at Ukraine fighter jet which was using MH17 as decoy http://www.maxkeiser.com/2014/07/we...ians-would-die/ … and http://rt.com/news/174412-malaysia-plane-russia-ukraine/ Also learned that WikiLeaks is accepting Bitcoin donations, oh joy!
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Nckdictator posted:A quick Google search shows this. I googled Max Keiser to see who this guy was. wiki posted:He hosts Keiser Report, a financial program broadcast on Russian state media channel RT. Until November 2012, Keiser anchored On the Edge, a program of news and analysis hosted by Iran's Press TV. Sounds like what one would expect, to be honest.
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Count Roland posted:Like what? It is a leaks site after all, much of its content will be "conspiracy stuff" by definition. This is a fundamental misunderstanding of either what leaks are, or what conspiracy stuff is.
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Saint Celestine posted:If you were on the other end, could you see something like that coming in? It would look like a tiny dark dot jittering slightly, with maybe a heat distortion behind it, growing bigger as it approached. We've had a video were a tank crew did spot it and bailed at the last second but I imagine you'd have to be looking right at it / see the launch to have a chance to track it visually.
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Also, if you aren't alert for something like that, it's probably really easy to overlook, especially in a desert environment.
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Radio Prune posted:I googled Max Keiser to see who this guy was. Max Keiser is somewhere between hilarious and just sad. I came across him in '08 when the financial crisis hit. His whole shtick is basically getting really mad at everything and proclaiming imminent catastrophe (due to a lack of gold standard, natch) and it just so happened that in '08 there was a catastrophe, so all the gold bugs at Zero Hedge became huge Keiser fanboys.
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Thank you very much for the reading material! SedanChair posted:What's with this idea? Do you have an anti-conspiracy theorist field surrounding you which repels friendship? Is your company so rarefied? Yes, i do. When you start talking about politics and everything, everytime everywhere is made by and controlled by the U.S. i find you a stupid fucker. If you base your world view on unprovable, ridiculous conspiracy theories while refusing to read anything because it's all "bourgie news" except RT then i don't want to be your friend.
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Police shot at al-Houthi protestors in Sana'a today, killing a few. Things are spiraling out of control and if war breaks out it could be very, very bad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_4jeoKPp6I (video is a little gory) Svartvit fucked around with this message at 16:07 on Sep 9, 2014 |
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botany posted:Max Keiser is somewhere between hilarious and just sad. I came across him in '08 when the financial crisis hit. His whole shtick is basically getting really mad at everything and proclaiming imminent catastrophe (due to a lack of gold standard, natch) and it just so happened that in '08 there was a catastrophe, so all the gold bugs at Zero Hedge became huge Keiser fanboys. I agree the man is extremely obnoxious, but predicting a catastrophe (the 08 financial crisis) and profiting from it (by buying gold) isn't the best way to make fun of/discredit the guy. I'm sure he's said way more stupid stuff that hasn't come true.
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Anybody who wasn't invested in being a pundit predicted the crisis. This reduces the number of things that give Keiser's life value to zero.
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SedanChair posted:Anybody who wasn't invested in being a pundit predicted the crisis. This reduces the number of things that give Keiser's life value to zero. I find it funny how in retrospect apparently everyone predicted the crisis. And yet people kept buying houses at insane prices, and ridiculed anyone who bought gold as some sort of apocalyptic cult member.
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Count Roland posted:I find it funny how in retrospect apparently everyone predicted the crisis. And yet people kept buying houses at insane prices, and ridiculed anyone who bought gold as some sort of apocalyptic cult member. Plenty of people saw the crisis, but "seeing the crisis" doesn't tell you the when it's going to pop, and without that info the ability of consumers or even individual institutions to do anything about it is basically zilch. What are you going to do about it, be homeless? Short mortgage-backed securities and hold out against the inevitable short squeeze until the bubble finally pops? The funny thing is that gold is just as much of a bubble nowadays as the housing market was then. There's nowhere near $1200/oz of actual real-world value in gold, its value is a psychological phenomenon. It's the Ur-Bitcoin. However much like housing, there's not really anything you can do about the problem - it's entirely possible that it continues to rise in price before the bubble pops, potentially for years, so you'll almost certainly get short-squeezed to death going against it. Deflating bubbles is something that needs government-level action, basically. And they are usually unwilling to do that for a lot of reasons. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Sep 9, 2014 |
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quote:Kirkuk (IraqiNews.com) A security source in Kirkuk province on Thursday stated that “The ISIS group have kidnapped 50 civilians who belong to one of the villages in the province, shortly after the people of the village burned the ISIS flag to declare their opposition of the ISIS existence in south of Kirkuk.
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Count Roland posted:I agree the man is extremely obnoxious, but predicting a catastrophe (the 08 financial crisis) and profiting from it (by buying gold) isn't the best way to make fun of/discredit the guy. I'm sure he's said way more stupid stuff that hasn't come true. SedanChair posted:Anybody who wasn't invested in being a pundit predicted the crisis. This reduces the number of things that give Keiser's life value to zero.
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Looks like someone just wiped out Ahrar Al Sham's leadership. Reports coming out that 45 commanders, including their leader, were killed in a suicide bombing attack on their Idlib headquarters. If confirmed, this may seriously undermine the organization and leave its members, who are Salafis, looking for other groups to join. Edit: for context, Hassan Abboud is the group's leader believed to have been killed. He was the former leader of the SILF as well as a top political officer of the Islamic Front, and probably the only Salafi commander who garnered respect from FSA/SRF types and civil activists. Although they are an extreme group, this is a blow to moderate rebels. MothraAttack fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Sep 9, 2014 |
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MothraAttack posted:SILF Saudi I'd Like to gently caress.
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Pelosi, Boehner, Reid, and McConnell are meeting with Obama on ISIS right now.
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Volkerball posted:Pelosi, Boehner, Reid, and McConnell are meeting with Obama on ISIS right now. Reminder the majority of Americans do not believe any of Obama's work on fighting the terrorist group ISIS is sincere, and Obama is actually playing more golf than Bush ever did.
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Has anyone noticed the media again cheerleading for bombs? I've seen several prominent stories claiming that somehow ISIS is planning attacks on US soil citing dubious 'anonymous sources', despite ISIS having said little about attacking us domestically or even having the capability to do so. Just a lot of fearmongering going on that has quickly convinced most people that we need to drop the bombs already.
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botany posted:This is nonsense. Very few people predicted the crisis, partly because some of the central mechanisms that led to the collapse weren't known until afterward, such as the faulty pricing models used to evaluate CDOs. A lot of people rightly complained about (a) the enormous consumer leveraging in the US and (b) the housing bubble in the US, but calling those two things correctly is not the same thing as calling the financial crisis. There was a lot more going on, much of which was only understood afterwards. To really predict the crisis in 2006, i.e. before it began to unravel, you had to be at a level where you understood the new financial instruments better than the people who were, at the time, pioneering the work with them. There's not a whole lot of people who can claim to havefully understood the interplay between CDS and synthetic CDOs that early. Did Keiser? No? All right then.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Has anyone noticed the media again cheerleading for bombs? I've seen several prominent stories claiming that somehow ISIS is planning attacks on US soil citing dubious 'anonymous sources', despite ISIS having said little about attacking us domestically or even having the capability to do so. Just a lot of fearmongering going on that has quickly convinced most people that we need to drop the bombs already. Yeah, turns out ISIS' PR campaign isn't getting much support among Americans.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Has anyone noticed the media again cheerleading for bombs? I've seen several prominent stories claiming that somehow ISIS is planning attacks on US soil citing dubious 'anonymous sources', despite ISIS having said little about attacking us domestically or even having the capability to do so. Just a lot of fearmongering going on that has quickly convinced most people that we need to drop the bombs already. I assume it is because of the anniversary around the corner? Less Claypool fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Sep 9, 2014 |
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You just had Sen. Bill Nelson from my terrible state claiming that they 'won't rest until ISIS' flag is over the White House' like that's even remotely possible. Greenwald also correctly points out that in the end airstrikes may just further inflame that region and make it easier for a group like ISIS to gain support.
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I found this article on my facebook feed today. it's a interview with a Yazidi girl who survived ISIS sex slave prisons. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/11080165/Yazidi-girl-tells-of-horrific-ordeal-as-Isil-sex-slave.html Is it wrong to want to see ISIS killed to the last supporter.
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I'm old enough to remember 32 days ago when everyone in this thread were wanting Obama to bomb ISIS to give the Kurds breathing room.
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The Political Blog of Charles Pierce at Esquire magazine led me to this article in the New Yorker: The Twenty-Eight Pages. I'm not going to post any excerpts but the bottom line is that the more I read about ISIS, the more I'm convinced that the only reason ISIS exists is because of, and with the full blessing and support of, Saudi Arabia and its little absolute monarchy. The unholy alliance between the House of Saud and the Wahhabi clerics should probably be the focus of any further U.S. bombing in the middle east. Otherwise, anything less is just lipstick on a pig.
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Berke Negri posted:I'm old enough to remember 32 days ago when everyone in this thread were wanting Obama to bomb ISIS to give the Kurds breathing room. I wouldn't challenge FlamingLiberal on his consistency. I'm sure he's been opposed to anything bombs for years now, regardless of context. FlamingLiberal posted:Greenwald also correctly points out that in the end airstrikes may just further inflame that region and make it easier for a group like ISIS to gain support. Sure, they may. There's an argument to have there. You know what did further inflame the region and create a vacuum that allowed ISIS to grow from nothing into a force occupying an area the size of Great Britain? Aside from Brown Moses? Watching the war in Syria stagnate and doing nothing about it.
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Although it's on MH17, I thought you might want to see this. Russia Today attack Bellingcat and citizen journalism in general today https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDvCzzrYLM0&t=339s
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So I take it Greenwald's current gimmick is that ISIS is just an overblown media false flag because Obama loooooooooves death and all they've done is behead some journalists?
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FlamingLiberal posted:He's saying that's not a reason to launch an endless bombing campaign without debate. But James Foley was executed almost twelve days after we announced an air strike campaign?
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FlamingLiberal posted:He's saying that's not a reason to launch an endless bombing campaign without debate. I think that debate would last about 15 seconds.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Has anyone noticed the media again cheerleading for bombs? I've seen several prominent stories claiming that somehow ISIS is planning attacks on US soil citing dubious 'anonymous sources', despite ISIS having said little about attacking us domestically or even having the capability to do so. Just a lot of fearmongering going on that has quickly convinced most people that we need to drop the bombs already. That might have to do with the American public being increasingly pro attacking ISIL. quote:Americans overwhelmingly view Islamic State terrorists as a serious threat to vital U.S. interests and, in a significant shift, widely support airstrikes in Iraq and Syria, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll. http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...4ffd_story.html
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Berke Negri posted:So I take it Greenwald's current gimmick is that ISIS is just an overblown media false flag because Obama loooooooooves death and all they've done is behead some journalists? Greenwald's gimmick is, as always, being contrarian.
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radical meme posted:The Political Blog of Charles Pierce at Esquire magazine led me to this article in the New Yorker: The Twenty-Eight Pages. Take it up with the neocons who decided the Saudis were One Of The Good Ones because they agreed to keep selling us oil. To be honest the more I learn about this, the more sense it makes that the US's entire middle east policy for decades has just been to create stable countries to provide a steady supply of oil. Terrorists are just a fly in that ointment. Dictatorships and human rights abuses are actually a plus. I guess they figured the Saudis' oil made up for the fact they were taking the money and handing it right over to Al-Qaeda and ISIS. Well, that and the fact they're The archenemy of Iran, which did the unthinkable and told the IS to get hosed and threatened to stop the oil. icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Sep 9, 2014 |
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Endless bombing campaigns are pointless - there are more economical bombing options that can completely depopulate ISIL controlled regions. Maybe that will be Obama's speech Wednesday night. 'I've just signed legislation that will outlaw ISIL forever  '
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