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SocketWrench posted:I won't. Because honestly, no matter who it was, even the whitest of white people with the same background, the same poo poo would be going down as is now because conservatives are mostly hosed in the head. Incorrect, no one questioned Clinton's country of origin despite him being no less From America than Obama. And no one questioned Romney (who if he was darker, would be classified as a Mexican) and McCain (who if he was darker, would be classified as a Panamanian) at all. Hush up because it's nothing but racism.
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Prism posted:Except it doesn't (see: Ted Cruz). Ted Cruz is completely irrelevant to the point he's making, though, as he's not a Democrat. For my own part, I don't think it's "just" racism, and saying that anyone who thinks it's "just" racism makes someone complicit is loving retarded. The same fucks I know who push the birther bullshit were all gung ho for Herman loving Cain. It's obviously not "just" racism. It seems more likely that racism is a necessary but not sufficient cause. GlyphGryph fucked around with this message at 16:25 on Sep 9, 2014 |
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GlyphGryph posted:Ted Cruz is completely irrelevant to the point he's making, though, as he's not a Democrat. It's absolutely just racism, you're not getting away with this. I've never met a Cain supporter who wasn't inordinately proud of it and using it to prove that they are not racist. That's racist.
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Wow, it's almost as if you managed to read a post that said it wasn't racism, but I can't find that post anywhere in your quote. Crazy!
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I can't be racist, I voted for Alan Keyes!
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Herman Cain is one of the good ones so he doesn't count.
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If the idea was to hatch and plant Obama as some sort of secret Muslim Manchurian Candidate who would one day become president and destroy America from the inside, why didn't they change his loving name?
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GlyphGryph posted:For my own part, I don't think it's "just" racism, and saying that anyone who thinks it's "just" racism makes someone complicit is loving retarded. The same fucks I know who push the birther bullshit were all gung ho for Herman loving Cain. It's obviously not "just" racism. You can be racist against a group and still like/approve of select members of that group. This phenomenon tricks many racists into ignoring their own racism, e.g. "I have black friends". Especially if said individual seems to share animosity against that group as well, like when Cain and Allen West both invoked plantation imagery to refer to the Democrat welfare state, implying the majority of African Americans were dumb and helpless.
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GlyphGryph posted:
Quoting for emphasis, since people are continuing to act like he's defending birthers. They hold their nose and support Cain because they have other motivations in addition to racism. They are racist AND partisan. Refusing to let human beings, however terrible, be reduced to caricatures with only a single personality trait (racism) is not being complicit with racism, jesus loving christ. If anything, it paints them in a worse light because it expresses how willing they are to engage in blatant, cynical hypocrisy.
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Blue Footed Booby posted:Quoting for emphasis, since people are continuing to act like he's defending birthers. Incorrect, without racism there would be no conservatism. It's impossible to caricature these "people" (term employed loosely) as they have made caricatures of themselves. They are partisan racists, it is inseparable and fueled entirely by racism. They gleefully support Cain because they are racist, want some way to demonstrate that they are not racist, and know that Cain doesn't have a shot. If Cain was viable, all of his support would evaporate immediately. The answers are simple, face it.
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^speaking of caricatures, you're building up one about yourself really well.SedanChair posted:Incorrect, no one questioned Clinton's country of origin despite him being no less From America than Obama. Let me know when Clinton was born of some father with links to being *gasp* Muslim and have a strange name quote:And no one questioned Romney (who if he was darker, would be classified as a Mexican) and McCain (who if he was darker, would be classified as a Panamanian) at all. Because they were running for the same party these fuckups vote for. Hell, their party was splitting just over the fact Romney was Mormon and thus not a "true Christian" Jesus H Christ... SocketWrench fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Sep 9, 2014 |
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BiggerBoat posted:If the idea was to hatch and plant Obama as some sort of secret Muslim Manchurian Candidate who would one day become president and destroy America from the inside, why didn't they change his loving name? Hahaha, oh man, there are so many Obama name conspiracies you wouldn't believe.
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SocketWrench posted:Let me know when Clinton was born of some father with links to being *gasp* Muslim and have a strange name So let you know when Clinton was things that are triggering to racists?
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Key word there, triggering. That doesn't mean "is", that means "can be". Not everything is 100%
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SedanChair posted:Incorrect, without racism there would be no conservatism. It's impossible to caricature these "people" (term employed loosely) as they have made caricatures of themselves. They are partisan racists, it is inseparable and fueled entirely by racism. This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read in D&D. Conservatives have a lot of dumb beliefs, and racism is only one of them.
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Slanderer posted:This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read in D&D. Conservatives have a lot of dumb beliefs, and racism is only one of them. It is their core belief. Without racism the rest of their "ideals" vanish. I feel like I've gotten a good handle on the sort of thing that offends you though, so this myopia is not surprising.
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SedanChair posted:It is their core belief. Without racism the rest of their "ideals" vanish. I feel like I've gotten a good handle on the sort of thing that offends you though, so this myopia is not surprising. "American political history is irrelevant, because according to Postmodern Historical Analysis recorded history does not take precedence over my pet theory that conservatism is entirely about The Black Problem."
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Slanderer posted:"American political history is about racism, only."
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Oh, I get it now. You're trolling us. Derp. Sorry, I actually took you seriously.
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GlyphGryph posted:Oh, I get it now. You're trolling us. Derp. Sorry, I actually took you seriously. You're trolling me with this whole "there are things other than racism that create conservatism in America" deal.
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No, no, it's alright, you don't have to try and make me feel better by pretending you were arguing sincerely. :/ I get it.
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SedanChair, I know that you're trying to make some kind of point here. It's kind of falling flat though. Unless you're broadening "racism" in your terms to include general class warfare or just fear of any "other".
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Oh my loving god shut up shut up shut up.
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Grognan posted:SedanChair, I know that you're trying to make some kind of point here. It's kind of falling flat though. Unless you're broadening "racism" in your terms to include general class warfare or just fear of any "other". Nope, there would be no class warfare if not for racism. It'd be solved in this country, the New Deal would have ushered in shared prosperity for all and there'd have been no opposition. Poor and middle class whites would have united to demand their rights because they wouldn't have had to worry about blacks getting those rights as well.
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SedanChair posted:is about racism, only." oh
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A Rambling Vagrant posted:Oh my loving god shut up shut up shut up.
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SedanChair posted:Nope, there would be no class warfare if not for racism. It'd be solved in this country, the New Deal would have ushered in shared prosperity for all and there'd have been no opposition. Poor and middle class whites would have united to demand their rights because they wouldn't have had to worry about blacks getting those rights as well. Clearly class warfare in places like India are due to white on black racism as well and the hutus were actually white people when they killed the tutsis, but then became black african again after they were done Martello fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Sep 9, 2014 |
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None of those countries were being discussed. I was being America-centric (because of racism).
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e: gently caress it, this isn't what the thread is for
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Hello, do not try to argue with Sedan Chair. Thank you.
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Slanderer posted:This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read in D&D. Conservatives have a lot of dumb beliefs, and racism is only one of them. I'm glad to see someone else say this. I went through a series of discarded post drafts, the most civil of which was "how do you get your pants on the right way?" then decided it would be better to not respond. Does conservatism not exist in a society before it encounters other races? How does conservative opposition to any action on climate change reduce to racism? That last part is actually relevant to the thread. It always boggles my mind when people trust the makers of electronic gadgets, but not climatologists. Like, how can you believe that scientists are willing to conspire en masse to perpetuate a giant hoax, yet still own a cell phone, let alone a GPS enabled smart phone?
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SedanChair posted:None of those countries were being discussed. I was being Afro-centric (because of racism).
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Less unstable crazy people making nonsensical arguments and more unstable crazy people making nonsensical arguments: I'm not quite sure which conspiracy Dees is going for here, but now I kind of want crazies to start dressing up as WTC7 and crashing political events.
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I think the argument is that the Republican Party took on its current, insane, destructive, paranoid, us-vs-them, authoritarian position in part because the Democratic Party took on civil rights as part of its platform starting in the 60s. This alienated all the racist Democrats who were just fine with the New Deal and the Great Society so long as it was understood as for poor whites only. Once they learned that wasn't the case, they leaped over to the other party and radicalized it/it radicalized itself in response to their presence, and all racists became an opposition party dedicated to destroying the social safety net they had previously supported. Before the 60s, both parties had a lot of openly racist members, and the Democrats did better with poor and working-class people because they favored an expanded social safety net. Once black Americans started working toward getting access to that safety net, most of the racists jumped away from the Democrats and never looked back. The Republicans welcomed them with open arms and reframed their rhetoric to be about protecting whites from the advancing black hordes by killing socialism in America (using code words, of course). In that sense, class warfare as it has been waged since the 80s has been structured by racism, perhaps even getting its distinct flavor of "work hard and you'll be rewarded by capitalism" from outrage at the idea that poor black people were exploiting welfare paid by poor whites who did work hard: Reagan got himself elected by pushing that button as hard as he could. It's probably true that if the nation as a whole were still as racist as it had been in the 1930s, we would be as socialist as Canada, at least.
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duz posted:Less unstable crazy people making nonsensical arguments and more unstable crazy people making nonsensical arguments: I've said it before, but you only need to scroll down and glance at the top half of one of these pics to realize that it was from David Dees. Someone posted a thought on the reason once before, but now I'm leaning towards his distinct "magazine cut out collage, but in photoshop" style, along with something I can't put my finger on about the color...
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duz posted:Less unstable crazy people making nonsensical arguments and more unstable crazy people making nonsensical arguments: That doesn't look like an authentic Dees. Only one star of David and the cops aren't shooting vaccines at WTC7.
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Say what you will about Dees, but he's developed such a distinctive style that you know you're looking at a Dees. Not every artist can say that. Though he may be the first artist whose chosen medium is "photoshop." It blows me away that he makes his living doing for-hire illustrations for Sesame Street books. I wonder what he thinks about PBS.
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Sir Tonk posted:That doesn't look like an authentic Dees. Only one star of David and the cops aren't shooting vaccines at WTC7. The cops are herding tower 7 back to mommy and daddy tower. The plane is going to inject the vaccine.
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