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Now that I think about it... Rincewind: are there going to be Manichean pops just sort of scattered all around the place, what with the silk road and Transoxanaia being a haven for the religion and all?
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It sucks we don't have any New World or African holdings; we can't soak in those sweet sweet immigrant pops when the poo poo hits the fan.
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Sep 10, 2014 01:06
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Funky Valentine posted:It sucks we don't have any New World or African holdings; we can't soak in those sweet sweet immigrant pops when the poo poo hits the fan. The new world bonus is moddable, I think. It might not even exist here, what with the much less successful European colonization and the survival of native urban civilization.
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Sep 10, 2014 01:14
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Clayren posted:You've a point there, here's an exact sized one White hurts my eyes, but the black scaled down nicer than I thought it would.
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Sep 10, 2014 01:17
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Now that I think about it... China is going to bite it, big time. It's just too big to live. It's going to be an amazing collapse. So where are people going to go, fleeing what is going to be an utterly terrifying situation? Either the far away new world, or the west. The west is actually more likely, I think, because of the sinicized successor states, who would offer tempting refuge to many people looking to make their fortune or escape strife at home.
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Sep 10, 2014 01:23
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Clayren posted:You've a point there, here's an exact sized one All of these have tintcure violations, try shifting the stag so that it's only on one background.
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Sep 10, 2014 01:25
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NewMars posted:The new world bonus is moddable, I think. It might not even exist here, what with the much less successful European colonization and the survival of native urban civilization. Given that Rome/Byzantium is one of the few republics on the map, I could easily see us getting an influx of immigrants, especially if some of the larger empires start to collapse.
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Sep 10, 2014 01:33
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RZApublican posted:Given that Rome/Byzantium is one of the few republics on the map, I could easily see us getting an influx of immigrants, especially if some of the larger empires start to collapse. Won't it just be the Americas getting all the immigrants and that's it? ...I just realized that at some point, Ming is going to gently caress itself up. It seems inevitable. And then people are going to emigrate. Oh god.
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Sep 10, 2014 01:37
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Tulip posted:All of these have tintcure violations, try shifting the stag so that it's only on one background. Not sure what a tintcure violation is but it sounds like something from drivers ed.  Fun fact: this was done entirely on mspaint. I mean I have Indesign, but I'm too lazy to wait for it to update and load for something this small.
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Sep 10, 2014 01:40
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TheMcD posted:Won't it just be the Americas getting all the immigrants and that's it? That's what I mean for the new world bonus. The new world bonus massively outweighs any other bonus in the game for immigrants. I think it can be modded though... Edit: Yes, as it turns out that modifier is completely modifiable. NewMars fucked around with this message at 01:48 on Sep 10, 2014 |
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Sep 10, 2014 01:44
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Clayren posted:Not sure what a tintcure violation is but it sounds like something from drivers ed. Regardless, much better. Tintcure's a rule from English heraldry that's generally considered a good principle for flags and such. Basically, yellow and white are 'metals' and everything else is a color, don't put metal on metal or color on color.
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Sep 10, 2014 01:59
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Tulip posted:Regardless, much better. That said, Albania doesn't give a gently caress.
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Sep 10, 2014 02:02
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RZApublican posted:Given that Rome/Byzantium is one of the few republics on the map, I could easily see us getting an influx of immigrants, especially if some of the larger empires start to collapse. Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, and I'll send them off to die in the navy!
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Sep 10, 2014 02:23
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We need to reclaim Rhodes so we can put the Statue of Liberty there.
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Sep 10, 2014 02:30
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NewMars posted:That's what I mean for the new world bonus. I've heard that the USA tag is hardcoded to receive extra immigration on top of the new world bonuses (and also the ridiculous statue of liberty event). Probably best to not reuse that tag.
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Sep 10, 2014 02:37
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Perhaps Byz. Republic should get a immigration bonus due to it's tolerant reputation?
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Sep 10, 2014 02:39
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I see Silla seems to be slowly moving west through Siberia, claiming the amazingly still not colonized parts of the region. I wonder how they are convincing people to move there. Go northwest, young man!
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Sep 10, 2014 02:39
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willing to settle posted:I've heard that the USA tag is hardcoded to receive extra immigration on top of the new world bonuses (and also the ridiculous statue of liberty event). Probably best to not reuse that tag. I think you mean best we use that tag. 
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Sep 10, 2014 02:43
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Oceania also gets immigration bonuses, so... Glorious Korean Australia :korea:  needs to go independent.Now I am wondering what Australia is even called in this timeline.
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Sep 10, 2014 02:49
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I've seen other nations get more immigrants than the USA in Vic 2. In fact, one game I played Australia in it became larger than America in terms of immigrants.
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Sep 10, 2014 02:52
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willing to settle posted:I've heard that the USA tag is hardcoded to receive extra immigration on top of the new world bonuses (and also the ridiculous statue of liberty event). Probably best to not reuse that tag. That was Ricky, V2 doesn't have that. You can mod immigrant attraction by continent in V2 easily enough and you can add country modifiers (like the Statue of Liberty in vanilla) to manage it.
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Sep 10, 2014 02:53
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GSD posted:Oceania also gets immigration bonuses, so... I don't speak korean but Australia just means "southern land." So that should be easy.
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Sep 10, 2014 02:54
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Right now the Korean part of Australia is called the "Silla South Pacific Company" and the Brunei section is called "New South Brunei". So what I'm getting at is, yeah, it needs a better name.
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Sep 10, 2014 02:57
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Considering Brunei is Sincizied as Boni, a Korean or Chinese name makes sense. Maybe go with whichever of the two colonized the region first (if that is known anyway, if it would require digging into old saves it isn't important)? Chinese over Malay because HansaLP already used Selatan  .
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Sep 10, 2014 03:01
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I think the whole immigration to the New World thing doesn't make sense like it does in the OTL, considering the Americas are much more settled than they were. Maybe a modifier for "colonial nations" getting a immigrant bonus, like the Silla and Fujiwara possessions, and the Lai Ang and Avalon colonies?
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Sep 10, 2014 03:02
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GSD posted:Considering Brunei is Sincizied as Boni, a Korean or Chinese name makes sense. Maybe go with whichever of the two colonized the region first (if that is known anyway, if it would require digging into old saves it isn't important)? Boni was there first, IIRC. Or at least their colonial nation formed first.
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Sep 10, 2014 03:03
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As a Bruneian state we gain several boni.
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Sep 10, 2014 03:08
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Rincewind posted:Right now the Korean part of Australia is called the "Silla South Pacific Company" and the Brunei section is called "New South Brunei". We in Australia use a heap of Aboriginal names for places, occasionally mixing it with English (like Kippa Ring). But if I may make a suggestion, I think a good name for Australia would be Karatgurk. Seven sisters who refused to share the secret of fire to mankind, and ended up getting tricked by a crow who shared the secret of fire to mankind. Thematically, the seven sisters represent the 7 states of Vic 2 Australia (I don't think the Australian Capital Territory is represented) and the Crow represent the Asian's bringing civilization to Australia.
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Sep 10, 2014 03:19
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Not sure what to call the colonies in Australia themselves but voting for "Nambu" as the melting pot cultural POP of the Malay/Silla settlers.
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Lord Windy posted:We in Australia use a heap of Aboriginal names for places, occasionally mixing it with English (like Kippa Ring). Sounds cool to me! I was looking up if anything looked good in Korean or Chinese for "South land," "New Korea," "New Brunei/Malaya" and such things, and nothing sounded particularly exciting when translated. So this has my vote.
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The way I see it, there are a few ways to go about naming the place. First could be looking at the aforementioned Aboriginal names, and Karatgurk might be nice. Next could be looking at something from myth or something related to their current places. But a different approach could be something more... marketable. Give it a name that stands out, perhaps even mimicing Britain's naming of the New World as "Avalon." Come one, come all, ladies and gentlemen! Come to the land of opportunity, a pure land, a land of tranquility! Come to Shambhala! Actually, come to think of it, have you noticed any unusual/amusing goings on among the Asian or New World nations, Rincewind? Religious groups springing up in unusual places, strange rulers deserving of the silliest of hats, crazy buildup of tech levels in unexpected places? I ask because they can serve as fun little points of reference for things to come. At the very least a funny flag or two.
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Sep 10, 2014 03:55
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Alright here are my final suggestions for Hindustan: Monarchy  Republic  Fascist  Communist (hammer and rice sickle)
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Sep 10, 2014 04:12
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Clayren posted:Alright here are my final suggestions for Hindustan: So (Tintcure) metal.
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Sep 10, 2014 04:22
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Sep 10, 2014 05:57
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The word is 'tincture'.
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A bit late on this, but re: "Hindustan" not actually containing the Indus River: The words "Hindustan" and "India" both come from the same root, being named after the river, and the modern Republic of India seems perfectly happy calling itself that even though like 95% the Indus River is inside Pakistan now. So I don't think it should be a big deal. "Hindustan" has always been sort of a general term for the whole subcontinent anyway.
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Sep 10, 2014 13:28
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I like just having Maratha and Orissa for now and putting in a Hindustan tag for if one conquers the other.
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Sep 10, 2014 13:46
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Bharata's a cool name for India too, could use that.
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Sep 10, 2014 13:54
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WeaponGradeSadness posted:A bit late on this, but re: "Hindustan" not actually containing the Indus River: The words "Hindustan" and "India" both come from the same root, being named after the river, and the modern Republic of India seems perfectly happy calling itself that even though like 95% the Indus River is inside Pakistan now. So I don't think it should be a big deal. "Hindustan" has always been sort of a general term for the whole subcontinent anyway. Tell me more of this mythical realm of Hindustan.
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ninjahedgehog posted:Tell me more of this mythical realm of Hindustan. It was a word commonly used to describe the Mughals' holdings in Mughal Court Persian and, as such, was a pretty popular term for India throughout the EU4 timeframe? Even the British tended to use it in some respects, like referring to the "Hindustani" language (Hindi and Urdu). EDIT: Of course, Hindi wasn't exactly the language of choice of the areas that our Hindustan controls, either, so back to square one.
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