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SedanChair posted:Take a look at what you got wrong, sputum How dare white people be voted in through a democratic process. Those monsters.
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on the left posted:"People should be ashamed of being a racial minority in their neighborhood and try to live and work near others of their own race" --Self proclaimed "anti-racists" in TYOOL 2014
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Sep 10, 2014 03:44
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You could also ensure re-election until forever if you'd listen to the people and cease to be poo poo.
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Sep 10, 2014 03:44
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Guy just said that he was arrested and having seizure issues while in jail and no one did anything. The next shift came in and released him. He went to complain to an attorney, attorney said "file a complaint." He went back to file a complaint and they arrested him again.
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Sep 10, 2014 03:44
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Hopefully this will be the big case for the merger, which around here would basically be racial integration.
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Sep 10, 2014 03:45
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*drops mic*
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Sep 10, 2014 03:45
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That would be so awesome to hear.
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"This is white supremacy right here. This is white supremacy at this table." Edit: Oh poo poo, white guy being loving awesome! This rant is one long 
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Sep 10, 2014 03:46
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Vahakyla posted:You could also ensure re-election until forever if you'd listen to the people and cease to be poo poo. If only 10% of the population cares to go out and vote in council elections, you only really need to listen to that 10%. Last council elections in Ferguson, only 1,500 out of 15,000 voted.
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Sep 10, 2014 03:50
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on the left posted:If only 10% of the population cares to go out and vote in council elections, you only really need to listen to that 10%. Last council elections in Ferguson, only 1,500 out of 15,000 voted. "Disenfranchisement? What's that?"
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Cassandra Poe @cassiepoe 1m "In 3 lines I'm supposed to sum up all that's wrong? NOT ENOUGH PAPER. THIS IS ME SHAMING YOU. HOW DARE YOU." #fergusonCCM speaker. Chris King @chriskingstl 1m White brother with grey soul patch talking mass incarceration and getting huge hollers from the crowd. #FergusonCCM Mme. Librarian @AmandaTintero 3m Speaker: My question is: "How did YOU feel when you saw Mike Brown lying in the street?" #FergusonCCM Leah Goldstein @Leah_Goldstein 1m Dad tells of son @ protest "'I wanna go home' Why? 'I don't want to get shot.' By who? 'The police.' I didn't teach him that." #FergusonCCM
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Sep 10, 2014 03:55
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The city council has spent the entire hour sitting blank and expressionless. They are terrified to commit to anything or look like they are acknowledging any questions or comments.
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Sep 10, 2014 04:02
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armoredgorilla posted:The city council has spent the entire hour sitting blank and Mild edit for comedy, but pretty much sums it up. They really want this whole thing to blow over so that Officer McChildmurderer can go back to work and just don't get it that the the status-quo is going to have to change.
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Sep 10, 2014 04:06
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Who What Now posted:"Disenfranchisement? What's that?" I kind of wonder, based on articles like this... quote:The report alleged that the Ferguson Municipal Court routinely began hearing cases 30 minutes before the scheduled start time, then locked the doors to the building five minutes after the official start. As a result, those who arrived late faced an additional charge for failing to appear. The Ferguson court also limited access to hearings to only defendants and lawyers. Earlier this summer, the presiding judge of the St. Louis County Circuit Court sent a letter urging municipal judges and cities to open their courts to the public. At least they don't have a vendetta against bicycles and pedestrians, I guess. Evil_Greven fucked around with this message at 04:18 on Sep 10, 2014 |
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Sep 10, 2014 04:10
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They want money to fund their little kingdoms and provide for the noblemen. Everyone else is subject to taxation.
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Sep 10, 2014 04:15
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Evil_Greven posted:I kind of wonder, based on articles like this... are there even enough people in Ferguson for that bolded figure to be plausible? Edit: 2-300 cases an hour would mean 1 in 100 residents were in court at a time on certain days. Xandu fucked around with this message at 05:10 on Sep 10, 2014 |
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Sep 10, 2014 05:07
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Xandu posted:are there even enough people in Ferguson for that bolded figure to be plausible? As I recall, in 2013 there were 1500 arrest warrants issued in Ferguson for every 1000 people that lived there. So as it turns out, the number of people living there is not an actual barrier to the number of people you can drag into court. EDIT: Actually in the quoted bit. So ya, I can believe it. Especially when you consider it could also be people who were passing through and are being forced to come back to deal with a ticket/fine they got on their way through. ProfessorCurly fucked around with this message at 05:19 on Sep 10, 2014 |
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Sep 10, 2014 05:17
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Also several cases can be heard at once, and the defendant does not have to be present, eithet. So you can basically look at a folder of cases by yourself, then move on to the next 15 cases for that person.
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Sep 10, 2014 05:22
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Vahakyla posted:Also several cases can be heard at once, and the defendant does not have to be present, eithet. So you can basically look at a folder of cases by yourself, then move on to the next 15 cases for that person. Yeah, this is where a lot of people (especially those who studied at the Hogwarts School of Admiralty Law) disconnect from reality. Not every hearing involves speeches and arguments and a jazzy intro for the bailiff. If the prosecuting attorney is present but the defense is not because they were given a different time to appear, and the same is true for 15-20 other items before the bench involving the same city/county prosecutor's office, then it's going to be a pretty short hearing for all of them because it's a matter of taking attendance and disposing based on that. Which is really hosed up when you're straight up lying to people about when they should be in court, then locking the doors before that time to prevent them from appearing at the time you gave them. I don't even know how that part isn't a blatant violation of constitutional rights.
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Sep 10, 2014 06:02
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Yeah, the hearing is literally the bailiff giving a stack of papers to the judge who then looks at them, signs poo poo and gives the stack back. In those two minutes, 23 cases were "heard", for example. This is standard even in non-corrupt courts. There are even ways where you can tie a big bunch of cases together and only sign and write on the cover sheet, effectively mass-signing poo poo. Court is a heck of a less dramatic than people think.
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Sep 10, 2014 06:15
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Vahakyla posted:There are even ways where you can tie a big bunch of cases together and only sign and write on the cover sheet, effectively mass-signing poo poo.
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Sep 10, 2014 06:25
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on the left posted:How dare white people be voted in through a democratic process. Those monsters. White people in all positions of power in a community that is like 90% black in an area where historically white people bossed blacks around? How could you crazy liberals find anything wrong with that?!
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Sep 10, 2014 07:16
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The worst sort of racism: The kind against white people. (Note: It is also the only kind that easily be recognized, oddly)
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Sep 10, 2014 07:17
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on the left posted:How dare white people be voted in through a democratic process. Those monsters. If you missed the point any more aggressively, the point could file assault charges.
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Sep 10, 2014 07:30
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Arthur Crackpot posted:If you missed the point any more aggressively, the point could file assault charges. I know that people are gunning pretty hard at the voter disenfranchisement angle, but people really don't give much of a gently caress about local elections and would be hard-pressed to tell you anything meaningful about the candidates. Things will continue through inertia, and the current council members will probably retain their jobs due to the fact that all of the new challengers who step up to the plate as a result of this incident will have fractured voting bases that are hard to mobilize and keep as voters. If only 1500 people voted in the last council election, a well-networked person could carry votes on extended personal networks alone.
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Sep 10, 2014 07:35
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Only a fool argues with a fool.
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Sep 10, 2014 07:46
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Dudes! posted:Only a fool argues with a fool. The fool can't be fooled again.
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Sep 10, 2014 07:53
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Dudes! posted:Only a fool argues with a fool. So do you come to D&D to just get validation of your existing viewpoints? What a healthy worldview.
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Sep 10, 2014 07:56
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on the left posted:So do you come to D&D to just get validation of your existing viewpoints? What a healthy worldview. Healthier than yours.
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Imagine some skinhead strolling into a grocery store and acting all "SO DO Y'ALL JUST COME HERE TO GET VALIDATION FOR YOUR EXISTING VIEWPOINTS?" Who knows what he's referring to - perhaps decent race relations, or maybe a preference for braeburn over red delicious. He's pissed that everyone is there to get validation.
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FAUXTON posted:Imagine some skinhead strolling into a grocery store and acting all "SO DO Y'ALL JUST COME HERE TO GET VALIDATION FOR YOUR EXISTING VIEWPOINTS?" A political debate forum isn't a grocery store. Don't be intentionally disingenuous.
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Sep 10, 2014 10:38
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on the left posted:If only 10% of the population cares to go out and vote in council elections, you only really need to listen to that 10%. How small can that number get before you would stop supporting that claim? 5%? 1%?
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Sep 10, 2014 12:48
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on the left posted:So do you come to D&D to just get validation of your existing viewpoints? What a healthy worldview. You're not arguing for a viewpoint, though. You're just kind of saying, "nuh 'uh" when people bring up voter disenfranchisement. Holding elections on tons of different weekdays separate from each other is a great way to do exactly that. There's no rational basis for advocating that if you actually believe in democracy. It's really hard for a lot of working people to take time off work to vote. Many of them have to give up their income for that day or that time to do so. You have not posted a counter-argument to this beyond, "nuh 'uh." that I can see. Yes, you did say, "Only 1500 people voted. Therefore interest is low!" However, that's a tautology. Your justification for the voter numbers is the numbers themselves. Can you point to any source, such as opinion polling, that would indicate the black voters of Ferguson don't care about their elected officials? Judging from the action on the ground and at that meeting, it would appear as though they care a lot. As well, your statement about only listening to the 10% that vote is incredibly cynical, and I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt by assuming you're not advocating for it. Do you disagree that good representatives should represent the views of their entire constituency, even people who didn't vote? The will of the voters can still be discerned outside of elections. Opinion polls on issues are used for this quite a lot. ErIog fucked around with this message at 12:56 on Sep 10, 2014 |
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Sep 10, 2014 12:51
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ErIog posted:Yes, you did say, "Only 1500 people voted. Therefore interest is low!" However, that's a tautology. Your justification for the voter numbers is the numbers themselves. Can you point to any source, such as opinion polling, that would indicate the black voters of Ferguson don't care about their elected officials? Judging from the action on the ground and at that meeting, it would appear as though they care a lot. I don't disagree that black people are extremely mad at the elected officials, I just think that they are not going to effectively vote their agenda into office for a variety of reasons. Not showing up to vote is one of them, but there are a whole bunch of other reasons why the council is basically shrugging their shoulders and ignoring the complaints of the community. Politicians are going to by default ignore people who won't vote for them. If you want to see a pure example of this in action without confounding issues such as racism and disenfranchisement, watch any election where old people's interests are put up against the interests of college-aged people.
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Top Bunk Wanker posted:A political debate forum isn't a grocery store. Don't be intentionally disingenuous. Try harder.
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on the left posted:I don't disagree that black people are extremely mad at the elected officials, I just think that they are not going to effectively vote their agenda into office for a variety of reasons. Not showing up to vote is one of them, but there are a whole bunch of other reasons why the council is basically shrugging their shoulders and ignoring the complaints of the community. So are you just saying black people don't 'get' voting?
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on the left posted:Politicians are going to by default ignore people who won't vote for them. If you want to see a pure example of this in action without confounding issues such as racism and disenfranchisement, watch any election where old people's interests are put up against the interests of college-aged people. That doesn't make them not (racist) shitheads for doing so, though
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Sep 10, 2014 14:06
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Black folks gonna have a hell of a turnout in Ferguson this year. They're gonna need a bigger ballot box
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Sep 10, 2014 14:54
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bassguitarhero posted:Black folks gonna have a hell of a turnout in Ferguson this year. They're gonna need a bigger ballot box It won't mean a thing for the Ferguson city council though.
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I don't mean that in a snarky way, but uh seriously, check the election calendar. http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/08/18/3472278/this-is-the-most-important-reform-ferguson-can-enact-to-prevent-another-standoff/
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