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Dj Meow Mix posted:More varied characters, more grinding, extremely goofy attempt at a plot with some cool setpieces. I can't comment for if the PS4 actually manages the cooler ones with a decent frame rate though, other consoles struggled a bit. PS4 has no framerate issues that I've noticed. There are a couple of missions where the AI bugs out, but that's about it.
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Maleketh posted:PS4 has no framerate issues that I've noticed. There are a couple of missions where the AI bugs out, but that's about it. I found one of those. Chi Bi level the AI likes to spin around in circles on one of the ramps leading to the shore. Also, gently caress all y'all. Lu Meng is my boy. The greatest this land will ever know.
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Drakenel posted:I found one of those. Chi Bi level the AI likes to spin around in circles on one of the ramps leading to the shore. That was one of them, though I managed to trick the AI and fix that one. Far worse was the Battle of Luo Castle (where you recruit Okuni). The game kept telling me to go to a certain garrison with Lianshi, which I would have liked to do, but Lianshi apparently felt that it was more worthwhile to stay where she was and kill and endless stream of mooks.
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I just bought the bundle, do I actually have to download the original WO3 to use as base data, or can I just get the even-bigger WO3U file?
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I'm going to correct myself and say the popin on WO3 Ultimate PS4 is getting pretty shameful; I'm only on chapter 3 and already I can't see enemy officers sometimes until they're smacking me in the face.
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Is there a fast way to raise bonds in Orochi 3? That seems like the most annoying thing when it comes to unlocking characters.
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Sep 5, 2014 14:19
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Use the tea house once it gets upgraded.
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I had forgotten that WO3 was more like an older school DW game where an enemy officer could take off an entire energy bar with one move. On normal. 
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Sakurazuka posted:I had forgotten that WO3 was more like an older school DW game where an enemy officer could take off an entire energy bar with one move. On normal. Himiko is my bane, and if I see her, I save the damned game, because it seems her musou one-shots me no matter what. Also, I just simply had to buy the hairdryer big star weapon for Jia Xu.
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ImpAtom posted:Is there a fast way to raise bonds in Orochi 3? That seems like the most annoying thing when it comes to unlocking characters. Moon Viewing, which you get for the Teahouse near the end of chapter 3, is the best way to do it. Colgate posted:Also, I just simply had to buy the hairdryer big star weapon for Jia Xu. Hah, yeah. Most of the gag weapons are really dumb, but a few of them are pretty great. Hell if Sima Zhao doesn't look perfect running around beating dudes with a baseball bat. EDIT: Aaaah holy poo poo these new weapon elements. Wind and Slay in one slot, you say? 
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ImpAtom posted:Is there a fast way to raise bonds in Orochi 3? That seems like the most annoying thing when it comes to unlocking characters. Think the best way is to Tea House (moon viewing the characters you need the relationships with) then take them all into Battle for Tong Gate Redux, go through the ships at the bottom, run past Nezha, then just beeline for Cao Pi and kill him.
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New to the series. Not to be super reductive but is this game really just hammering one button, occasionally swapping your weapon or have I missed something fundamental? I started playing DW8 last night and got through the first Wei mission. Is it going to open up a bit more? Again, not trying to poo poo on the games
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Meliv posted:New to the series. Not to be super reductive but is this game really just hammering one button, occasionally swapping your weapon or have I missed something fundamental? I started playing DW8 last night and got through the first Wei mission. Is it going to open up a bit more? If you think the game is too simple, it ain't gonna get any better really. If you want deep thoughtful gameplay mechanics, look elsewhere. This game is for people who revel in effortlessly hacking down legions of faceless dudes. Gimnbo fucked around with this message at 19:28 on Sep 7, 2014 |
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Meliv posted:New to the series. Not to be super reductive but is this game really just hammering one button, occasionally swapping your weapon or have I missed something fundamental? I started playing DW8 last night and got through the first Wei mission. Is it going to open up a bit more? If you're just mashing the basic attack button with the occasional special you're not getting the most out of your character. There's a bunch of combos using (on the PS3, square and triangle) that are far better than the basic attack. You do also have 3 specials (Circle, Circle+R1 and circle in midair) per character. On harder difficulties you really do need to know the more advanced moves. Are you on PC or console? Is it the "Complete" edition including XL or just the base game? XL has ambition mode which is a bit more open. Campaign missions do get somewhat more complex as they go too. The games are mostly about being an ancient Chinese badass slaughtering their way through hordes though. That's just part of the charm.
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Meliv posted:New to the series. Not to be super reductive but is this game really just hammering one button, occasionally swapping your weapon or have I missed something fundamental? I started playing DW8 last night and got through the first Wei mission. Is it going to open up a bit more? The only difference between Warriors games and, say, Final Fight is that instead of one big long corridor you get a big square area with a 'go here' marker.
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Meliv posted:New to the series. Not to be super reductive but is this game really just hammering one button, occasionally swapping your weapon or have I missed something fundamental? I started playing DW8 last night and got through the first Wei mission. Is it going to open up a bit more? You can mash on attack to succeed, but the fun comes in in using your available weapons and combos to tear through things as efficiently as possible. You want to toss crowds in the air, knock people back, set them on fire, etc using the secondary attack button in your combos. I think it'll click when you find someone with a really good crowd control move. Zhou Tai has this big awesome slice move that usually takes out 50 or 60 dudes in one swing, for example, and you can just tear through crowds in seconds.
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Also harder difficulties reward positioning and situational awareness more. It's a lot easier to get stunlocked or wrecked by a high-powered enemy.
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I still wish I knew how the stage difficulty interacted with the difficulty level that you set. It seems to me that the stage difficulty influences the fun part of difficulty, i.e. how fast enemies attack and how many archers are firing arrows at you, while the difficulty you set mostly just changes enemy hp/damage. What that means is that the game gets more fun the more difficult stages you unlock and there isn't much of a way to speed that up unfortunately.
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So I'm looking to get back into the series after a long break (last time I played DW4/SW1 were the most recent games). Would you guys recommend DW8: Xtreme Legends Complete or WO3U? I am kind of looking for something with a little more difficulty in it, and from what I have read the AI in Orochi seems to be more in line with that. Is that really true?
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Mborg009 posted:So I'm looking to get back into the series after a long break (last time I played DW4/SW1 were the most recent games). Would you guys recommend DW8: Xtreme Legends Complete or WO3U? I am kind of looking for something with a little more difficulty in it, and from what I have read the AI in Orochi seems to be more in line with that. Is that really true? I'd say Warriors Orochi 3. It's easier but it feels fresher (due to the wacky crossover shenanigans) and is absolutely brimming with content. In terms of difficulty, Orochi 3 is pretty feast-or-famine. Your characters are less durable than they are in DW8 and enemies hit harder so it's a lot more possible to actually die on something below Chaos, especially if you're not careful. However your characters are also exceptionally more powerful so you can clear a lot more enemies or do powerful stunlock combos or such. If you die in Orochi 3, it's probably gonna be in a few seconds as you get overwhelmed and wrecked.
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Mborg009 posted:So I'm looking to get back into the series after a long break (last time I played DW4/SW1 were the most recent games). Would you guys recommend DW8: Xtreme Legends Complete or WO3U? I am kind of looking for something with a little more difficulty in it, and from what I have read the AI in Orochi seems to be more in line with that. Is that really true? Orochi 3 Ultimate has more aggressive AI, but is also significantly easier to break without trying. I wouldn't say either game is significantly harder than the other.
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ImpAtom posted:I'd say Warriors Orochi 3. It's easier but it feels fresher (due to the wacky crossover shenanigans) and is absolutely brimming with content. Maleketh posted:Orochi 3 Ultimate has more aggressive AI, but is also significantly easier to break without trying. I wouldn't say either game is significantly harder than the other. I like the sound of this, seems like Orochi 3 Ultimate is the way to go then. Thanks guys. EDIT: I just noticed Sterk from the Arland games is in here, they somehow found a way to make an anime look even more anime Mborg009 fucked around with this message at 00:02 on Sep 8, 2014 |
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Anyone else playing WO3U on PS4 had a problem with the game not showing up in their trophy list at all? I still get trophies, I just can't look at the list.
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Sakurazuka posted:Anyone else playing WO3U on PS4 had a problem with the game not showing up in their trophy list at all? I still get trophies, I just can't look at the list. Same with me, I'm just assuming its part of the same issues that the game had since launch. Bought it on tuesday and only yesterday did it actually start downloading.
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Looking at it, (trophies still show up in notifications) it only lists PS3 and Vita versions as having trophies. 
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Article about Dragon Quest Heroes. The note about the giant monster fights being "inspired" by Toukiden gets me all hyped up.
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Hi guys, like my new avatar? 
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In WO3 Ultimate, in Chapter 1, there's a stage where you encounter Wang Yi, but don't recruit her. Do I encounter her later, or is there a way to recruit her there?SirPhoebos posted:Hi guys, like my new avatar? It's not benevolent enough. Have you considered adding more benevolence?
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Colgate posted:In WO3 Ultimate, in Chapter 1, there's a stage where you encounter Wang Yi, but don't recruit her. Do I encounter her later, or is there a way to recruit her there? You'll get to recruit her later. As long as you play every stage, you'll get everyone. Unlike in WO1, there aren't any recruitment objectives to fail that I know of. The only exception is Lu Bu, and the game drops enough hints that figuring out how to get him shouldn't be hard.
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So, historically, what's the deal with the whole Jing province thing? It's an important strategic point, so it makes sense if Shu reneged on their agreement with Wu and allowed their alliance to collapse over it. However, the game seems to frame it as if it may have been Guan Yu acting independently of, or even in defiance of, Liu Bei's orders. Did he just stubbornly want his own fiefdom, or was it Shu's attempt to wash their hands of their own dishonesty, or was it just an angle added by the game? (I'm referring to the Wu campaign here, the Shu campaign kind of glosses over that angle.)
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It also is played like that in the TV series. It was probably either Guan Yu refusing to give up his land to Wu (who is historically and fictionally held a lot of contempt for) or a plot by Zhuge Liang to keep the blame off of Liu Bei and constantly have an excuse.
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Also Guan Yu's pride to prove to his brother that he's more useful than Zhuge Liang possibly. Jealousy is a complete possibility, a shame Shu loses their generals to self destruction more often than Wu's loss through random magic.
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Anonymous Robot posted:So, historically, what's the deal with the whole Jing province thing? It's an important strategic point, so it makes sense if Shu reneged on their agreement with Wu and allowed their alliance to collapse over it. However, the game seems to frame it as if it may have been Guan Yu acting independently of, or even in defiance of, Liu Bei's orders. Did he just stubbornly want his own fiefdom, or was it Shu's attempt to wash their hands of their own dishonesty, or was it just an angle added by the game? (I'm referring to the Wu campaign here, the Shu campaign kind of glosses over that angle.) Belzac posted:It also is played like that in the TV series. It was probably either Guan Yu refusing to give up his land to Wu (who is historically and fictionally held a lot of contempt for) or a plot by Zhuge Liang to keep the blame off of Liu Bei and constantly have an excuse. Another factor was that Guan Yu had developed a massive arrogant streak since, as commander of the Shu forces in Jing, he'd been delegated not only an important strategic point but what was essentially the entire eastern front of Shu. Previously his command was in cooperation with Zhuge Liang, Zhang Fei, and Zhao Yun, but all three of them (and thereby the remaining VIPs of Shu outside of Yi province) went westward to reinforce Liu Bei when the latter's campaigning in Yi province stalled out with Pang Tong's death... and as one might imagine, the responsibility presumably got to his head. There is at least one scene in the novel where it looks like both Zhuge Liang and Liu Bei try to pass on the blame to Guan Yu, with Liu Bei telling the Wu emissary -- not coincidentally, Zhuge Liang's brother -- that "when I have finished my conquest of Hanzhong, I will transfer Guan Yu to another post, and then I may be able to return Jingzhou." (Problem of course being that -- as Zhou Yu had pointed out back when Zhuge Liang made a similar promise years ago -- Liu Bei could never guarantee just when that was supposed to be...) Nevertheless, at one point Guan Yu outright told Zhuge Liang's brother from Wu that "When a leader is in the field, he receives no orders, not even those of his prince. Although you have brought letters from my brother, yet will I not yield the territories." Speaking of Guan Yu letting his responsibility get to his head, it's no coincidence that Lu Xun gets a more prominent role in DW8, he played a role in the fall of Jing to Wu: when Guan Yu initially put up a defense against invasion by Lu Meng, Lu Xun advised Lu Meng to feign illness and resign from his post, Lu Xun becoming formal commander while Sun Quan gave Lu Meng 'actual' command of the invasion force. Cue Guan Yu dropping his guard and committing his forces against Fan Castle because he only knew of Lu Xun as some boy who even made a show of feigned submission with verbal flattery and gifts... oh, and up until the very end, he refused to believe rumors of Wu advances into Jing even as they piled up until finally Jingzhou City was reported taken. Tae posted:Also Guan Yu's pride to prove to his brother that he's more useful than Zhuge Liang possibly. Jealousy is a complete possibility, a shame Shu loses their generals to self destruction more often than Wu's loss through random magic. 
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Chortles posted:the moment of no-return being when he refused a marriage between his daughter (Yinping) and Sun Quan's daughter in chapter 73 ("How can a tiger's daughter marry with a dog's whelp?")... I guess Guan Yu wasn't the progressive type. 
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^^^^ Correct me if I'm wrong, but Like japan during similar times, Guy on guy was all the rage, but women having the choices and the fun? Pffft.SirPhoebos posted:Hi guys, like my new avatar? It lacks a cross eyed Jiang Wei screaming BENEVOLENCE like a spaz.
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Crossposting from the Wii U thread:iastudent posted:Good news: US is getting a limited edition of Hyrule Warriors.
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Sakurazuka posted:I guess Guan Yu wasn't the progressive type. Drakenel posted:^^^^ Correct me if I'm wrong, but Like japan during similar times, Guy on guy was all the rage, but women having the choices and the fun? Pffft. Sun Quan: What ruffianism! *starts plotting anew to conquer Jing*
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Warriors Orochi 3 Ultimate is so fun.  Always liked Dynasty Warriors. Beat up a thousand useless mooks and then their boss is just really fun. Latest one I played was Next, but this is way better. Less dumb touchscreen gimmicks too. Plus way more characters. Including a guy with what I can only describe as a lightsaber hand which is also the megabuster. Also it's fun seeing all the characters I only know from Pokemon Conquest start fighting a million demon zombie men.I don't really like Gauntlet Mode very much so far though. Don't know if I'm missing something but it just seems that eventually the Miasma builds up too much and everything can kill me really easily and I can't drop the level quick enough again. Is there much you can only get there? Is it any easier to do once you've done more of the story and got stronger things? I'm only in Chapter 1 so far. Also I hope the stage creation thing lets you have an army of Lu Bus fight an army of Lu Bus. I feel like if a custom stage thing in one of these games where you can't do that would be missing a trick or two.
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Barely touched Gauntlet mode but if it's like some the other Warriors games bonus modes you're kind of expected to start with dudes already levelled from the story mode.
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Makes sense. It does seem like it'd be a bit more manageable with stronger characters. Wasn't sure if that was the intended thing or not. I'll stick to story mode for now then, thanks.
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