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Raskolnikov38 posted:Commander of the army of the Potomac was probably the shittiest command job in the war. The abundance of rivers and confederate controlled rail lines ensured that absent a gigantic confederate blunder, Richmond would be one of the last cities captured. 'Confederate rail line' is an oxymoronic phrase. Rivers were still the most rapid means of transportation in America until the standardization of national rail gauge completed and reconstruction thusly ended.
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Something about this cube makes me feel it's incomplete without a bunch of labeled arrows pointing out of it or a stress tensor next to it
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Sep 11, 2014 07:30
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Plus I was talking about Grant's presidency (not the Civil War which Grant won) so yes let us hear all the ways Grant was a failure in war, the war won
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Sep 11, 2014 07:34
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Berke Negri posted:Plus I was talking about Grant's presidency (not the Civil War which Grant won) so yes let us hear all the ways Grant was a failure in war, the war won He had horrid camp discipline and cleanliness standards, the two factors which resulted in two thirds of all civil war casualties.
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My Imaginary GF posted:'Confederate rail line' is an oxymoronic phrase. Rivers were still the most rapid means of transportation in America until the standardization of national rail gauge completed and reconstruction thusly ended. Err... Not sure why you think the Confederate rail lines were a non-factor considering it was the Union cavalry action at Appomattox Station and the loss of the ability to rearm/transport his troops that ended Lee's hopes of slipping away from Grant. Hell, it was Grant's seizure of Sutherland Station that forced Lee's withdrawal from Richmond in the first place. Strategically the Confederates were of course completely outmatched by the Union when it came to rail lines, but that doesn't mean that it never played into the situation. I'm willing to take it to a military history or American history thread somewhere if you want to hash it out.
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Sep 11, 2014 07:45
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My Imaginary GF posted:He had horrid camp discipline and cleanliness standards, the two factors which resulted in two thirds of all civil war casualties. We're supposed to believe the absence of germ theory was unique to Grant's campaign in that point in history and that most casualties in wars throughout wars in history weren't from this factor?
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Sep 11, 2014 07:47
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:Err... Not sure why you think the Confederate rail lines were a non-factor considering it was the Union cavalry action at Appomattox Station and the loss of the ability to rearm/transport his troops that ended Lee's hopes of slipping away from Grant. Hell, it was Grant's seizure of Sutherland Station that forced Lee's withdrawal from Richmond in the first place. Strategically the Confederates were of course completely outmatched by the Union when it came to rail lines, but that doesn't mean that it never played into the situation. I'm willing to take it to a military history or American history thread somewhere if you want to hash it out. We can ask there. My understanding is that confederate rail lines were pretty much completely separate gauges with no standard truckage production, in addition to the absolute lack of supplementary canal systems throughout the south due to their anti-sabbatarian stances. I'm saying the south's limited logistical infrastructure development was in such a state that it had little bearing on the conduct of the war, while having the utmost bearing on the outcome of the war and the reconstruction which followed. E: Berke Negri posted:We're supposed to believe the absence of germ theory was unique to Grant's campaign in that point in history and that most casualties in wars throughout wars in history weren't from this factor? McClellan established best camp practices for the Army of the Potomac. Grant didn't follow them. And it wasn't absense of knowledge of best practices, it was disregard for managing them. Simply, don't poo poo within four feet of where you plan to have men walk barefoot in the south. Dig some loving outhouses for your camp. My Imaginary GF fucked around with this message at 07:54 on Sep 11, 2014 |
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Sep 11, 2014 07:51
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Majorian posted:Captain Ramius, is that you?! No but Sean Connery was right, Halsey was a fool and acted stupidly. Guadalcanal was 100% dumb luck and Samar ranks as one of the most impressive victories of a vastly inferior force in history due to the balls of the captains involved when by all accounts they should have been crushed because of Halsey's idiocy. Typhoon Cobra was where his luck finally went to poo poo and it did so in spectacular fashion.
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Sep 11, 2014 07:59
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And McClellan didn't give a poo poo for crushing the slave power, but Grant did, and did. I thought you were a pragmatic soul?
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Berke Negri posted:And McClellan didn't give a poo poo for crushing the slave power, but Grant did, and did. I thought you were a pragmatic soul? Grant evolved on the issue with Lincoln. McClellan gave a poo poo about early war aims, when decisive victory was perceived as the quick end to the war with a political settlement on slavery then possible.
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Sep 11, 2014 08:04
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americans love talking about the civil war because it's the only war they've ever won
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Sep 11, 2014 10:00
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Exclamation Marx posted:americans love talking about the civil war because it's the only war they've ever won The War of (Southern/Northern) (Treason/Aggression).
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Exclamation Marx posted:americans love talking about the civil war because it's the only war they've ever won What about Ronald Reagan's brave stand against runway pavement contractors? 
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Exclamation Marx posted:americans love talking about the civil war because it's the only war they've ever won Please don't disrespect the veterans of Grenada.
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Exclamation Marx posted:americans love talking about the civil war because it's the only war they've ever won Pretty sure we kicked the poo poo out of Mexico that one time.
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Sep 11, 2014 11:11
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happy 9/11 day everyone. never forget https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NecoBo0BhEk
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Shear Modulus posted:I've been wondering this for a while but am I the only American who finds the actual combat actions and strategies and commanders and stuff and not the political or social part of the Civil war kind of uninteresting? If I read this correctly then no I'm the same way, the military stuff is only interesting to me inasmuch as it's an easy starting point for 'what-if's. Same with the world wars.
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Sep 11, 2014 11:36
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I feel like we should come up with some cheery 9/11 day traditions.
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Sep 11, 2014 12:59
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paragon1 posted:I feel like we should come up with some cheery 9/11 day traditions. Get bombed and eat NY-style pizza?
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Sep 11, 2014 13:12
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Feasting should definitely be a part of it. I agree with Joementum that Americans don't have enough feast holidays.
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Sep 11, 2014 13:19
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Was Obama's imperial message inspiring? I somehow forgot to watch it. Are the troops readied? Is our vigilance constant?
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Sep 11, 2014 14:05
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euphronius posted:Was Obama's imperial message inspiring? I somehow forgot to watch it. Are the troops readied? Is our vigilance constant? Maybe, but we've certainly had some private sector job growth.
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paragon1 posted:Feasting should definitely be a part of it. I agree with Joementum that Americans don't have enough feast holidays.
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Sep 11, 2014 14:12
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Randler posted:It's kind of impressive how during the 20th century America moved from a traditionally isolationist position more towards the big meddler, because once you pop you can't stop. I wish, though I know it is impossible, the USA would go back to being isolationist.. think how great it would be, locked down, internal development, maybe pumping money into our cool and good schools and making them sick and modern, learning science and stuff, people taking pride in their community ftw.
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Sep 11, 2014 14:13
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It's been a year since VileRat died. Has anyone heard from his family recently? Are his kids okay?
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Sep 11, 2014 14:15
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euphronius posted:Was Obama's imperial message inspiring? I somehow forgot to watch it. Are the troops readied? Is our vigilance constant? We're gonna have more jobs than General Giap had sharpened bamboo sticks, because we're strong
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ssbbud posted:Maybe, but we've certainly had some private sector job growth. Guns AND butter? the miracle of capitalism.
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euphronius posted:Was Obama's imperial message inspiring? I somehow forgot to watch it. Are the troops readied? Is our vigilance constant? Sarah Palin was bitching about him doing it half assed. I thought her incoherent word vomit was hilarious at least.
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Sep 11, 2014 14:17
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euphronius posted:Was Obama's imperial message inspiring? I somehow forgot to watch it. Are the troops readied? Is our vigilance constant? Gulf War 3: Third time is the charm.
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Sep 11, 2014 14:18
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Well the Caliphate is going to get the war they wanted I guess.
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We're gonna degrade and ultimately1 destroy ISIS *pivots incomprehensibly to stump speech, as though a stroke suddenly cut off blood flow to the area of the brain governing tact and propriety* 1code for "in decades, after they've evolved into Steel ISIS 7 and killed one billion Arabs"
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Sep 11, 2014 14:21
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ReindeerF posted:Americans of the Jewish faith (or cultural tradition) seem to have a lot. Yeah but we also have that one day where you can't eat so that balances out.
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zakharov posted:Yeah but we also have that one day where you can't eat so that balances out. I just ignore Yom Kippur. Only 'eat more' traditions please.
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Sep 11, 2014 14:26
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Back in the day, young go-getter leaders-to-be would organize their own militias to go fight Imperial Threat of the Day. Now they complain on their weblogs about how much their flavored coffee costs.
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Sep 11, 2014 14:27
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Wouldn't an actual American intervention basically be what the Iraq war was supposed to? As in, the US is actually welcome by the population and seen as a liberator.
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Sep 11, 2014 14:29
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zakharov posted:Yeah but we also have that one day where you can't eat so that balances out. Deeply religious orthodox Jews technically have four more fasts. There's also the week where you can't eat anything that might accidentally become unleavened-bread-like.
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WHENEVER those states which have been acquired as stated have been accustomed to live under their own laws and in freedom, there are three courses for those who wish to hold them: the first is to ruin them, the next is to reside there in person, the third is to permit them to live under their own laws, drawing a tribute, and establishing within it an oligarchy which will keep it friendly to you. Because such a government, being created by the prince, knows that it cannot stand without his friendship and interest, and does its utmost to support him; and therefore he who would keep a city accustomed to freedom will hold it more easily by the means of its own citizens than in any other way. We already tried the third option and I doubt Obama's going to move to Baghdad for the second one, so Ruin it is!
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Sep 11, 2014 14:33
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His peace prize should be held in blind escrow like Cheney's Halliburton shares.
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Sep 11, 2014 14:35
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Yeah so someone at the DC Public School system is in a bit of hot water...
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they are both male quadrupeds who spoke indo-european languages. Come on.
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