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My Imaginary GF posted:Any Eastern Europeans kind enough to translate this report? Using google chrome you can right click and click translate to English. Who knows how accurate it is. MOSCOW, Sept. 10 - RIA Novosti. Russian Ministry of Health does not confirm information about the case of Ebola in Yekaterinburg. "We do not confirm information about the case of infection with Ebola in Ekaterinburg" - told RIA Novosti press office. Earlier, some media reported, citing a source in the Ministry of Health that the 25-year-old student of Urfa arrived in Yekaterinburg on August 29 after staying with her parents in the capital of Guinea-Bissau. From the moment he was in a medical facility at the university because he had symptoms of infection. The number of victims of the Ebola virus has reached 2296 people Earlier Tuesday, the World Health Organization (WHO) released information that the number of victims of the deadly Ebola virus has reached 2296 people; all fever infected with 4293 person. On the whole, comprise the WHO, the Ebola virus continues to spread in West Africa. Currently, cases of infection have already been registered in Liberia, Sierra Leone, Guinea, Nigeria, the Democratic Republic of Congo and Senegal. Mortality from fever is 53%. An effective vaccine against the virus does not exist yet. WHO recognized the ethical use of experimental drugs to treat the disease.
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DrProsek posted:Maybe he's assuming that the bank that holds the funds he pays his taxes out of holds his currency in hryvnia and every time he pays his taxes, the bank takes a 2%+ currency conversion fee out of the transaction? But that only makes sense if he does the stupidest thing possible and never exchanges a single hryvnia into rubles until he needs it, and then just converts the exact sum he needs for that transaction.
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Cheatum the Evil Midget posted:http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/11/despair-luhansk-residents-count-dead Russia bears responsibility for this ruin, and so long as they maintain an environment of permanent crisis in the East the chances of relief and reconstruction are small. Neighbouring Ukrainian oblasts must see images of Luhansk and dread becoming the next city Putin decides to "liberate".
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Dolash posted:Russia bears responsibility for this ruin, and so long as they maintain an environment of permanent crisis in the East the chances of relief and reconstruction are small. Neighbouring Ukrainian oblasts must see images of Luhansk and dread becoming the next city Putin decides to "liberate". Yes yes, the fact Russia instigated this removes any responsibility for the Ukrainians to behave in a moral fashion and not Grad civilian areas
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TeodorMorozov posted:You can lol if you want but 13% taxes in rubles is really more expensive than 15% in hrivna. And this only one factor that makes Makarevich rear end burning like a blast furnace. The second factor is... who do you think gave Makarevich all his business and all real estates in Crimea? $) Post the math and prove it. It's not that difficult to prove if it's actually true.
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Cheatum the Evil Midget posted:Yes yes, the fact Russia instigated this removes any responsibility for the Ukrainians to behave in a moral fashion and not Grad civilian areas Ukrainian army has stated from the very beginning that they are not using artillery on civilian areas. Multiple Ukrainian soldiers/officers that are participating in the ATO have stated the same thing in interviews. There are however a lot of reports of separatists blowing up infrastructure and buildings, quickly followed by Russian news crews filming the destruction on site and blaming the damage on the Ukrainian homonazi army tho. In terms of conclusive proof there's least one video of separatists randomly lobbing mortars into shahtersk's residential area from the city's soccer field. I'm on my phone otherwise I'd post the link to the page that has the clip and the Google maps satelite view of where those assholes were firing.
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Killer-of-Lawyers posted:Post the math and prove it. It's not that difficult to prove if it's actually true. The only way I could see him justify is to say that the Hryvnia is going to devalue quicker than the Ruble in the long-run, but even then it is a bit fishy. That said, the Ruble has been taking a hit lately and it is up to 37.68 to the dollar, during 2013 it was hovering around 31-33 to a dollar. The Hryvnia has recovered some of its losses but it still around 13 to a dollar from around 8 before the crisis which is a big hit. I suspect Russia's drop would be much higher if it wasn't backed by still substantial currency reserves, while the Ukrainian central bank at this point is mostly depleted. If peace was restored I am sure at least some confidence would return but Ukraine's fiscal balance sheet is very bleak and in some ways they are beyond broke at this point. Present posted:Ukrainian army has stated from the very beginning that they are not using artillery on civilian areas. Multiple Ukrainian soldiers/officers that are participating in the ATO have stated the same thing in interviews. According to the interviews I have seen from Vice, the residents in newly occupied separatist areas do full believe they were being shelled by ATO/Ukrainian forces. They talked to residents in multiple towns as well. I don't know if makes much sense for the separatists or the Russians to shell their own position even for propaganda value. Ardennes fucked around with this message at 07:31 on Sep 12, 2014 |
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It's not exactly unlikely that the Ukrainian army has been doing some shelling and that's contributed to the devastation, and responsibility for that act remains on them, but the larger desolation belongs to Russia for instigating this war purely for conquest. Luhansk being a warzone with no power or water and crumbling civil institutions goes beyond just the shelling. Also, the link in question made mention of mines and I'm pretty sure so far it's just been separatists who've used those. Ukraine's a signatory on mine-banning international agreements and Russia is not, if I'm not mistaken.
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Present posted:Ukrainian army has stated from the very beginning that they are not using artillery on civilian areas. Multiple Ukrainian soldiers/officers that are participating in the ATO have stated the same thing in interviews. Does the reflex to defend the Ukrainian government no matter what turn off the parts of your brain that do critical thinking or what Dolash posted:It's not exactly unlikely that the Ukrainian army has been doing some shelling and that's contributed to the devastation, and responsibility for that act remains on them, but the larger desolation belongs to Russia for instigating this war purely for conquest. Luhansk being a warzone with no power or water and crumbling civil institutions goes beyond just the shelling. Who do you blame for the destruction caused by the Gaza War?
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sum posted:Does the reflex to defend the Ukrainian government no matter what turn off the parts of your brain that do critical thinking or what Do you have an actual counterargument to the post you've selectively quoted?
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Discendo Vox posted:Do you have an actual counterargument to the post you've selectively quoted?
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sum posted:Who do you blame for the destruction caused by the Gaza War? Israel, which is the foreign occupying power trying to pin the blame on the legitimate government of a much smaller, weaker country through bald-faced lies and a large propaganda budget.
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sum posted:The implied counterargument was that that there have been no admissions of committing war crimes in either official government statements or interviews with soldiers is not at all exculpatory, and that it is considerably more likely the Ukrainian army shelled Lugansk residential areas and then lied about it than the theory that the rebels executed a complex and extended false-flag operation where they intentionally murdered the people they represent for good PR. I hope that this has cleared this up for you, and if you have any further questions about that post please don't hesitate to ask. The Russians shelling a few houses and then bringing in some RT reporters to go, "Look! Look at what murderer's those homonazi's are!  " seems right up the alley of the disinformation campaign that Russia is waging. Not that I believe that this is a widespread tactic, or that I believe the Ukrainian army is pure and virtuous, but I can definitely see it happening a few times for domestic Russian propoganda purposes.
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sum posted:Does the reflex to defend the Ukrainian government no matter what turn off the parts of your brain that do critical thinking or what If you're looking for a 'gotcha,' I blame Russia for all civilian deaths from the conflict they provoked within Ukraine and I blame Hamas and their funders for all civilian deaths in Gaza their actions provoked during the most recent Gazan War. E: SoggyBobcat posted:The Russians shelling a few houses and then bringing in some RT reporters to go, "Look! Look at what murderer's those homonazi's are! This is my fundamental view of these conflicts as well.
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Ardennes posted:According to the interviews I have seen from Vice, the residents in newly occupied separatist areas do full believe they were being shelled by ATO/Ukrainian forces. They talked to residents in multiple towns as well. Residents believing it doesn't mean they are right, considering the distance over which artillery fires, and that often the only news source for residents is Russian TV.
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OddObserver posted:Residents believing it doesn't mean they are right, considering the distance over which artillery fires, and that often the only news source for residents is Russian TV. The central issue with that line of thinking is that the residents were in a town occupied the separtists, so pro-Russian forces would have to shell an area their troops are operating for in propaganda purposes. Personally, I find that quite unlikely, especially since it was far from light ordinance. You don't have to side with Putin to admit, that the Ukrainians probably have been doing shelling on their own, it is more or less open war with less than precise weaponry. I am less comfortable with the idea any time an issue like it comes up, it becomes a conspiracy, since if anything it leads to the circular finger pointing that already has been plaguing this war.
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Ardennes posted:The central issue with that line of thinking is that the residents were in a town occupied the separtists, so pro-Russian forces would have to shell an area their troops are operating for in propaganda purposes. Personally, I find that quite unlikely, especially since it was far from light ordinance. To be fair, Putin and his terrorists ARE a pack of torturers and slaughterers who've been targeting civilians before and continue to do so right now. Massacring civilians via indiscriminate artillery fire to make up reasons to cause horrific terror to more innocents later seems to fit their M.O. perfectly.
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Ardennes posted:The central issue with that line of thinking is that the residents were in a town occupied the separtists, so pro-Russian forces would have to shell an area their troops are operating for in propaganda purposes. Personally, I find that quite unlikely, especially since it was far from light ordinance. I won't dispute that, but it's far from impossible in larger locations (like, say, Luhansk) for separatists to destroy some residential buildings w/o endangering their troops. (FWIW, most allegations of staged attacks, which weren't verified one way or another, are of use of mortars).
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The Finnish national broadcasting company Yle runs a monthly segment on it's news website called "In the Net of Russia". The articles are specifically about how Finland is perceived in Russian media. They have a tendency to be slightly negative/alarmist but I feel like I should reference the newest one since I'm not sure how much this type of media analysis on Russian web media is done outside Eastern Europe. (Referencing and translation by me, the original full-length article in Finnish here. I'll try to tone down the sarcasm of the original article, since much of it doesn't really translate. It's important to note that everything here is just reported as it is written over the border, not necessarily how it is in real life.) Headline: Are We the Weakest Link? On sanctions: In August, Russian media has been very vocal about EU sanctions and Russian counter-sanctions. The EU sanctions are unanimously described as inefficient and harming only the EU itself. When telling their own citizens about why EU is setting such sanctions, there are no mentions of Crimea or arming the rebels of Eastern Ukraine. Instead, a popular quote is an euphemism from the Finnish prime minister Alexander Stubb, who has said that the sanctions are because of the "Russian actions in the field of foreign and security politics." Russian counter sanctions are praised to be effective and damaging the EU, as well as affecting as large segments of the EU population as possible. On the purpose of the counter-sanctions: The Russian media doesn't forget to report on the hardships in Europe caused by the sanctions but there's another angle that seems more important: cracking the unity of the EU and sowing distrust between the member states. Based on the Russian media during August, the Kremlin sees Finland as the current weakest link. According to dozens of articles, the business world and the farmers of Finland are overwhelmingly against the sanctions and because of them, Finland is going to dive into as deep a depression as it did following the collapse of the USSR. On appeasement policits: Finland has already started to appease to Russia. It detached itself from the other EU members by not agreeing to additional sanctions. President Niinistö was also the first EU Head of the State who rushed to meet with President Putin, after the sanctions war started, to negotiate on "the state and views of bilateral cooperation". The fact that Niinistö continued to Kiev to meet with Poroshenko on the same trip wasn't mentioned until a few days later in passing in another, less reported interview. Finland has also got into news by refusing to send weapons into Ukraine. Finnish general Gustav Hägglund managed to become noted when saying the Russia is not a military threat to Finland. On finlandization: According to professor Stanislav Tkachenko of University of St. Petersburg / University of Bologna, everything president Niinistö and prime minister Stubb have done "represents a stance that is entire satisfactory to us". Without hesitation, he's willing to agree that you could talk about new finladization, comparing Russia and it's neighbours to laws of gravity. The article ends with quotes from some individual people telling how fondly Finland has always thought of it's eastern neighbour since Lenin grated them independence, or even predicting how Finland joining Russia one day is not completely off the table. Finally, tv channels have apprently shown footage of happy Finns buying cheap sanction cheese originally meant for Russian market and images of an advertisement that said "Thank you, Putin!" right next to said people and stacks of cheese. Valiantman fucked around with this message at 11:16 on Sep 12, 2014 |
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Reuters on Russian soldiers (and war dead) in Ukraine: http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/09/12/uk-ukraine-crisis-russians-special-repor-idUKKBN0H70QF20140912
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OddObserver posted:Reuters on Russian soldiers (and war dead) in Ukraine: Conscripts younger than me are being forced at gunpoint to go fight and die alongside terrorists in an illegal war, with their deaths covered up and their parents declared national traitors. Even knowing this, even WITH this information, people in this thread are unironically stating that Russia is a clean country, that Russia is somehow "more democratic" and "more just" than "the Ukraine." The same people who insist on laughing at Ukrainians suffering under Russian rule also have absolutely no care for the actual people of the country they're supposedly cheerleading for, but only want to see as many innocents suffer as much as possible under Putin. There are no words to describe what absolute scumbags they are. Finlander fucked around with this message at 12:06 on Sep 12, 2014 |
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Finlander posted:Conscripts younger than me are being forced at gunpoint to go fight and die alongside terrorists in an illegal war, with their deaths covered up and their parents declared national traitors. Putin is not only the enemy of the Ukrainian people, but he is also the enemy of the Russian people. He has been plundering the nation together with his friends for many years and now he kills the nation's children.
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Valiantman posted:According to professor Stanislav Tkachenko of University of St. Petersburg / University of Bologna, everything president Niinistö and prime minister Stubb have done "represents a stance that is entire satisfactory to us". Without hesitation, he's willing to agree that you could talk about new finladization, comparing Russia and it's neighbours to laws of gravity. It's the arrogant tone of it all that pisses me off the absolute most. It's not that Finland seeks to have "friendly" relations with Russia because that might be a decent thing to do with neighbors, it's because ROSIJA GREAT AND STRONG.
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:Putin is not only the enemy of the Ukrainian people, but he is also the enemy of the Russian people. He has been plundering the nation together with his friends for many years and now he kills the nation's children.
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OhYeah posted:http://by24.org/2014/09/11/chineese_army_detected_at_russian_border_on_far_east/ Is by24.org a Russian-owned "news site" or something else? If it's true, then that's a pretty shrewd move by the Chinese, though I'm not really sure what they'd be after. Are they warning Russia that the Chinese are in fact capable of defending themselves? Is it a threat? Or are they actually going to go for an invasion while Russia's distracted with its illegal terror attacks against Ukraine and their own conscripts? Alternatively, if it's made-up Russian propaganda, it's also pretty shrewd. What are they supposedly gaining from this? Are they trying to keep China "in line?" The other alternative, of course, is that it's just made-up clickbait bullcrap, so who knows.
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OhYeah posted:http://by24.org/2014/09/11/chineese_army_detected_at_russian_border_on_far_east/  What's that, Vlad? You have an embassy for DPR located in Jewish Autonomous Oblast that you need to get to for an urgent meeting? Sure, we'll help by waiving the nominal exit visa requirements for anyone who wishes to join you from Ukraine.E: Finlander posted:Is by24.org a Russian-owned "news site" or something else? Both letting Putin know that they own him now, and negotiating improved rates on Russian gas exports.
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Ephemeron posted:Exactly. So if you still want Russia's economy to be ground into dust, letting Putin do his thing is a pretty viable way to achieve that. It's the other way round. I want Russia's economy crippled so that Putin can't do his thing anymore. If there is an alternative to sanctions which prevent Russia from starting more wars against non-NATO countries, I would love to hear it.
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:It's the other way round. I want Russia's economy crippled so that Putin can't do his thing anymore. If there is an alternative to sanctions which prevent Russia from starting more wars against non-NATO countries, I would love to hear it. Let PRC be PRC.
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In case anyone was wondering what Strelkov is up to now following the press conference, well he's apparently moved to Moscow 'to protect President Vladimir Putin from enemies and traitors' and called for a left-right Querfront to support Putin and crush any opposition http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/ukraine-rebel-leader-vows-to-stay-in-moscow-to-protect-putin-against-fifth-column/506872.html http://www.interpretermag.com/is-strelkov-the-ernst-rohm-of-putins-russia/
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Right. Sergei Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister, has issued a statement that the additional sanctions by the EU against Russia are weakening and shaking the Ukranian cease-fire. Which neither EU or Russia is part of. The congnitive dissonance is killing me. e: the exact phrasing is that EU has chosen to shake the cease-fire 
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Found this story on the pro-opposition website Charter 97. If this is true it's very sad, but seems to be normal in Belarus where history is very tightly controlled and anything that puts a negative light on the Soviet Union is not allowed. http://charter97.org/be/news/2014/9/12/115452/ quote:Authorities banned Zaslaul exhibition about the life in Western Belarus
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Oh almighty Obama, Supreme Dark Overlord. I'm begging you, please impose your mighty sanctions on Rostelecom too. That bunch of shitlords back out me again. Thanks in advance, Great almighty Obama, Supreme Dark Overlord of Pindo... oh no... I meant Land of Freedom and Democracy.
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TeodorMorozov posted:Oh almighty Obama, Supreme Dark Overlord. I'm begging you, please impose your mighty sanctions on Rostelecom too.
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TeodorMorozov posted:Oh almighty Obama, Supreme Dark Overlord. I'm begging you, please impose your mighty sanctions on Rostelecom too. "Dark" overlord? Anything you want to tell us, Teodor? Does a Strong, Black Overlord who don't need no Vlad make you uncomfortable?
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