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Zorak posted:Even with these new leaks we still don't know ~80 cards. Yeah there's a lot of cool stuff going on. The one thing I want to see from the set that I haven't yet is a spell that costs U and contains the rules text "Draw a card." Come onnnnnn, it's got to be in there somewhere...!
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So this is what I'm thinking for Mardu aggro. It's a rough draft; the sideboard's pretty basic since we don't know what the post-launch meta will look like, and I'm iffy on the maindeck removal suite, but: Deck: Mardu Aggro    //Lands 4 Battlefield Forge 4 Bloodstained Mire 4 Caves of Koilos 4 Mana Confluence 2 Mountain 4 Swamp //Spells 2 Mardu Ascendancy 2 Mardu Charm 4 Ulcerate //Creatures 4 Bloodstained Brave 2 Butcher of the Horde 4 Gnarled Scarhide 4 Goblin Rabblemaster 4 Mardu Skullhunter 4 Tormented Hero 4 War-Name Aspirant 4 Chief of the Edge //Sideboard 2 Mardu Charm 2 Erase 4 Thoughtseize 1 Butcher of the Horde 4 Hero's Downfall 2 Ephemeral Shields  Display deck statistics
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Sep 12, 2014 05:44
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I'm stupid and don't what I'm talking about, but the set feels a bit vanilla to me. Not that that can't make for very interesting and deep games.
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Sep 12, 2014 05:53
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Rinkles posted:I'm stupid and don't what I'm talking about, but the set feels a bit vanilla to me. Not that that can't make for very interesting and deep games. What do you mean by vanilla?
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Sep 12, 2014 05:57
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Attorney at Funk posted:What do you mean by vanilla? Uncomplicated mechanically. Morph is complex rules-wise, but it's pretty straightforward once you've played a few games with it. It adds a new dimension to the battlefield (one I love), but there usually aren't many synergies (beyond the poker games that come with more morphs). I might feel this way because I played a lot with morphs already.
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Sep 12, 2014 06:04
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Rinkles posted:Uncomplicated mechanically. Morph is complex rules-wise, but it's pretty straightforward once you've played a few games with it. It adds a new dimension to the battlefield (one I love), but there usually aren't many synergies (beyond the poker games that come with more morphs). That makes sense. What's an example of a recent set that you thought was reasonably complex?
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Sep 12, 2014 06:08
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I hope a lot of the cards left unrevealed are morphs with simple turn face-up triggers, like Skirk Marauder or Skinthinner were. A lot of the common/uncommon morphs revealed so far just get bigger, and the dichotomy between small utility morphs and fatty morphs was always way more interesting than commando/craghorn stuff
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Sep 12, 2014 06:10
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Attorney at Funk posted:That makes sense. What's an example of a recent set that you thought was reasonably complex? Heh, I haven't really followed recent sets closely enough to say. Though Innistrad seems very interesting. (I probably consider Mirrodin/Odyssey my favorite sets if that says anything. Although, Onslaught's still no. 1 just cause.) Big Ol Marsh Pussy posted:I hope a lot of the cards left unrevealed are morphs with simple turn face-up triggers, like Skirk Marauder or Skinthinner were. A lot of the common/uncommon morphs revealed so far just get bigger, and the dichotomy between small utility morphs and fatty morphs was always way more interesting than commando/craghorn stuff Same, not that many utility morphs shown yet.
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Sep 12, 2014 06:12
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For me my reservation is that none of the clan mechanics are that exciting except Delve. Most of the other exciting cards we've seen so far are exciting more because they have high power/toughness relative to their mana cost rather than because they have a particularly unique effect. I liked Prowess at first but I've cooled on it a bit now that it seems like it's going to be a minor perk on already-efficient creatures rather than something to build around. Also more utility morphs, it seems like most of the spoiled morphs are fatties with morph cost equal to their mana cost minus 1 colorless.
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Sep 12, 2014 06:13
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Though, the original Ravnica's the actual best block ever, right?
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Sep 12, 2014 06:14
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Rinkles posted:Heh, I haven't really followed recent sets closely enough to say. Though Innistrad seems very interesting. (I probably consider Mirrodin/Odyssey my favorite sets if that says anything. Although, Onslaught's still no. 1 just cause.) Ahhh, I get you. They don't quite make sets like they used to (on purpose - have you ever read New World Order?). They've done a lot to simplify commons for the sake of acquiring and retaining new players. Rinkles posted:Though, the original Ravnica's the actual best block ever, right? You get a lot of different answers for this, though RGD is a pretty common one. I think Innistrad's the best single set they've ever made but the rest of the block doesn't live up to that.
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Sep 12, 2014 06:16
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Also ffs can we please just get a reprint of Zombie Cutthroat, the best and most fun limited morph of all time (not named Wall of Deceit, RIP damage on the stack)
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Sep 12, 2014 06:16
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Big Ol Marsh Pussy posted:Also ffs can we please just get a reprint of Zombie Cutthroat, the best and most fun limited morph of all time (not named Wall of Deceit, RIP damage on the stack) They don't want any turn-over-this-morph-to-completely-trump-another-morph situations for less than 5 mana, so no!
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Sep 12, 2014 06:19
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Attorney at Funk posted:Ahhh, I get you. They don't quite make sets like they used to (on purpose - have you ever read New World Order?). They've done a lot to simplify commons for the sake of acquiring and retaining new players. I have. It seems smart as long as they don't over do it, but I'd probably prefer it otherwise (Time Spiral did seem to go overboard, though).
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Sep 12, 2014 06:22
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Rinkles posted:Though, the original Ravnica's the actual best block ever, right? Shadowmoor. 
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Sep 12, 2014 06:24
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Rinkles posted:I have. It seems smart as long as they don't over do it, but I'd probably prefer it otherwise (Time Spiral did seem to go overboard, though). I think Time Spiral was really cool, as someone who only started playing and following the game way later. But I would not have wanted Time Spiral to be my first exposure to Magic.
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Sep 12, 2014 06:26
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Rinkles posted:Though, the original Ravnica's the actual best block ever, right? That's a lovely way to spell Invasion block.
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Sep 12, 2014 06:26
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Toshimo posted:That's a lovely way to spell Invasion block. I remember my (stolen from me) playset of Flametounge Kavus fondly (I didn't realize they were quite so bonkers powerful back then). And Vampiric Dragon seemed like the sickest card at the time. e:Oops, embarrassing that's an odyssey card!
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Sep 12, 2014 06:32
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The best blocks ever are Tempest, Odyssey, Time Spiral, Shadowmoor, and Innistrad, in no particular order.
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Sep 12, 2014 06:35
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The mention of Flametongue Kavu makes me wonder - what do you think the oldest creature is that's too strong to reprint for Standard? Setting aside combo piece creatures like Goblin Welder or creatures you don't want to attack with like Mother of Runes.
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Sep 12, 2014 06:36
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Tempest, Odyssey, and Onslaught were my favorites growing up.
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Sep 12, 2014 06:37
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Scrouge is great, and so was the rest of Onslaught. Lorwyn/Eventide is good too. I think I'm one of the few who liked Coldsnap though.
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Sep 12, 2014 06:38
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Attorney at Funk posted:The mention of Flametongue Kavu makes me wonder - what do you think the oldest creature is that's too strong to reprint for Standard? Setting aside combo piece creatures like Goblin Welder or creatures you don't want to attack with like Mother of Runes. Maybe Cloud of Faeries?
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Sep 12, 2014 07:01
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Attorney at Funk posted:The mention of Flametongue Kavu makes me wonder - what do you think the oldest creature is that's too strong to reprint for Standard? Setting aside combo piece creatures like Goblin Welder or creatures you don't want to attack with like Mother of Runes. Probably Bloodbraid Elf. Creature quality has increased drastically over the course of time. Silver2195 posted:Maybe Cloud of Faeries? Cloud of Faeries is just OK when it's not in a format with enablers like High Tide. Would be pretty gross in the current format with Nykthos and Master of Waves though.
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Attorney at Funk posted:The mention of Flametongue Kavu makes me wonder - what do you think the oldest creature is that's too strong to reprint for Standard? Setting aside combo piece creatures like Goblin Welder or creatures you don't want to attack with like Mother of Runes. Earliest is probably from the Weatherlight block, unless you think Serendib Efreet is too strong for Standard. Weatherlight had Man-o-war, Mistmoon Griffin, Phyrexian Dreadnought, Veteran Explorer, and Wall of Roots. All of which are probably too good for standard.
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Sep 12, 2014 07:10
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Saeku posted:Cloud of Faeries is just OK when it's not in a format with enablers like High Tide. Would be pretty gross in the current format with Nykthos and Master of Waves though. Avalanche Riders then. Also from Urza's Legacy. L0cke17 posted:Earliest is probably from the Weatherlight block, unless you think Serendib Efreet is too strong for Standard. Weatherlight had Man-o-war, Mistmoon Griffin, Phyrexian Dreadnought, Veteran Explorer, and Wall of Roots. All of which are probably too good for standard. Most of those fall under the "combo piece" and "creatures you don't want to attack with" exceptions. Man-o-War is a good candidate, though. Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 07:12 on Sep 12, 2014 |
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Saeku posted:Probably Bloodbraid Elf. Creature quality has increased drastically over the course of time. No chance of it ever being unbanned from Modern? I just found one in a random pack of Alara Reborn I was given back when I wasn't playing Magic.
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Sep 12, 2014 07:12
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Hypnotic Specter comes to mind. Dunno if it's actually too strong though.
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Psychatog. Although this might be considered a combo piece.
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Talibananas posted:Hypnotic Specter comes to mind. Dunno if it's actually too strong though. It was reprinted in M10, so it's probably OK in general. Not something I'd allow in a Standard with Gray Merchant and friends, though.
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Silver2195 posted:
Veteran Explorer and Wall of Roots are both good even without comboing them with something. Just imagine Wall of Roots with chord of calling in standard right now!
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Elyv posted:The best blocks ever are Tempest, Odyssey, Time Spiral, Shadowmoor, and Innistrad, in no particular order. Innistrad the set is the best set ever printed imo. Innistrad the block.. not as great, but still good as a whole.
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Rinkles posted:No chance of it ever being unbanned from Modern? I just found one in a random pack of Alara Reborn I was given back when I wasn't playing Magic. I could see Bloodbraid Elf getting unbanned from Modern - it was banned to knock Jund down a peg but Jund didn't really even miss it. I think a Deathrite Shaman unban is less likely than a BBE unban and I honestly wouldn't be that surprised to see DRS come off the banlist either.
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L0cke17 posted:Veteran Explorer and Wall of Roots are both good even without comboing them with something. Just imagine Wall of Roots with chord of calling in standard right now! Wall of Roots still isn't something you'd want to attack with, even if it didn't have Defender.
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Attorney at Funk posted:I could see Bloodbraid Elf getting unbanned from Modern - it was banned to knock Jund down a peg but Jund didn't really even miss it. I think a Deathrite Shaman unban is less likely than a BBE unban and I honestly wouldn't be that surprised to see DRS come off the banlist either.
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Hypnotic Specter was in 10th edition, Wall of Roots was in Time Spiral and AEther Adept is very very close to Man o' War. Dreadnaught is a good pick, but I'm not sure it would do anything without a Stifle effect. L0cke17 posted:Veteran Explorer and Wall of Roots are both good even without comboing them with something. Just imagine Wall of Roots with chord of calling in standard right now!
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Sep 12, 2014 07:20
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neetengie posted:Unban BBE, unban Jace and let the meta figure it out. I think unbanning Jace would be a terrible idea, if for no other reason than how hard they'd be to get.
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Sep 12, 2014 07:20
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I don't think Hypnotic Specter is incredibly powerful without Dark Ritual.
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Sep 12, 2014 07:24
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I see they're trying to address some of the pricing problems on MODO - next week is Tempest block flashback drafts and the week after that is triple Innistrad.
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Angry Grimace posted:I see they're trying to address some of the pricing problems on MODO - next week is Tempest block flashback drafts and the week after that is triple Innistrad.
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