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prefect posted:i have to look it up every so often to find out -- i think it means that the icon for a folder you store digital files in should look like a real-life folder you would store real-life files in I guess that make sense except for all the times it probably blows up spectacularly
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eschaton posted:you don't need open or save dialogs if you have a decent desktop file manager and a standard stationery system for apps to hook into. I don't understand your proposal. What do you do instead of having a Save dialog? It launches the file manager, and then the user does... what exactly?
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Suspicious Dish posted:I don't understand your proposal. What do you do instead of having a Save dialog? It launches the file manager, and then the user does... what exactly? you just forget about files and hierarchies entirely and when you click save it puts the file in the butt on its own and when you click open it goes looking in the butt
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api call girl posted:you just forget about files and hierarchies entirely and when you click save it puts the file in the butt on its own and when you click open it goes looking in the butt users hate this
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Sep 12, 2014 16:54
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:users hate this well sure, who wants to see a proctologist to recover their tax returns form from 2007
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the problem with not having save/open dialogues, using the finder exclusively, is task switching as a user, when i hit command-tab or alt-tab, i'm not presented with a list of open documents to switch among. instead, i have a list of applications to work with. this completely trashes a file- or document-centric view of the world it becomes natural to open excel, THEN look for the thing you wanted to operate on
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As much as I would like that, because I never use folders anymore and rely on desktop search to find my files, I think that's the exact opposite approach users who want to change the Open/Save dialogs would like to go.
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yes, if there's one thing we've learned about linux users, it's that they really don't want to be bogged down with the nitty-gritty of file management...
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this is a small issue, but is there much going on to make gnome lower overhead? If you're on a slow computer and you go into finder, it'll take a while to populate a directory - but then if you back out one level and come back it repopulates the whole thing again. On really slow computers moving directories will bog the system for a bit, but if I go to the shell and move it it's fine. I know there's a bunch that can't be changed, but it'd be nice if that could be made zippier.
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Broken Machine posted:this is a small issue, but is there much going on to make gnome lower overhead? If you're on a slow computer and you go into finder, it'll take a while to populate a directory - but then if you back out one level and come back it repopulates the whole thing again. On really slow computers moving directories will bog the system for a bit, but if I go to the shell and move it it's fine. I know there's a bunch that can't be changed, but it'd be nice if that could be made zippier. I recently showed the maintainer of nautilus about "perf top", and he spent his whole weekend fixing performance issues in nautilus. This next release will likely be much faster.
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Suspicious Dish posted:I recently showed the maintainer of nautilus about "perf top", and he spent his whole weekend fixing performance issues in nautilus. This next release will likely be much faster. That's good to hear. I don't know what actually goes on internally but it seems like it copies then deletes when it moves instead of just moving the pointer; a move should be quick but I don't know what obstacles there are to it actually being that simple. I wouldn't want to hack on it myself so bless you folks for doing so. A lot of the time people develop on fast enough machines they don't really see those issues unless they profile their code carefully.
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Moves across the same mount should be fast. Moves across two different mounts, even if they're on the same volume, needs to be a copy.
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Suspicious Dish posted:I recently showed the maintainer of nautilus about "perf top", and he spent his whole weekend fixing performance issues in nautilus. This next release will likely be much faster.  I already thought perf was awesome for getting flamegraphs of both apps and the whole system, and now i've only just discovered perf topperf is magical
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Suspicious Dish posted:I don't understand your proposal. What do you do instead of having a Save dialog? It launches the file manager, and then the user does... what exactly? user double-clicks stationery in the file manager to create a new document user never has to save because of auto-save (but "save" still exists to checkpoint immediately, without bringing up a panel) this is how Lisa worked and how the Mac was supposed to work, the original Mac just didn't have enough RAM to achieve it (it would probably have needed another 32 or 64KB)
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Broken Machine posted:this is a small issue, but is there much going on to make gnome lower overhead? If you're on a slow computer and you go into finder, it'll take a while to populate a directory - but then if you back out one level and come back it repopulates the whole thing again. On really slow computers moving directories will bog the system for a bit, but if I go to the shell and move it it's fine. I know there's a bunch that can't be changed, but it'd be nice if that could be made zippier. my new computer does this really fast and doesn't bog down the system it's a BeBox, and it's old enough to vote
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eschaton posted:my new computer does this really fast and doesn't bog down the system the computer in question is a toaster
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eschaton posted:user double-clicks stationery in the file manager to create a new document I'm sure users will be ecstatic if we rewrite even more of the last 40 years of computing.
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the Windows Explorer save/open dialogs basically perfected the formula, GNOME should've copied that, but that would've required Nautilus being some kind of reusable component
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does GNOME have an analogue to KParts?
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it had some CORBA monstrosity that I think has been completely abandoned because it was a CORBA monstrosity
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Shinku ABOOKEN posted:does GNOME have an analogue to KParts? Not anymore, thank god.
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Suspicious Dish posted:Not anymore, thank god. tell me teh horrors 
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Compound documents are just a terrible idea to begin with.
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but how will I put my spreadsheet in my presentation???!!!
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"I do not want to see the light." - Linus Torvalds 2014  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSgUPqygAww
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pseudorandom name posted:it had some CORBA monstrosity that I think has been completely abandoned because it was a CORBA monstrosity bonobo and CORBA was not really the problem with it
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:bonobo it was certainly a problem with it
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so I noticed that some of my students were opening the terminal and immediately typing su and I asked why, I mean, we were just p-langing some stuff "oh, the linux teacher taught us to always be root, without it you can't do anything on the terminal"
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Marsol0 posted:lol quoting for effect
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wow it's like windows vista but somehow less functional
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Symbolic Butt posted:so I noticed that some of my students were opening the terminal and immediately typing su and I asked why, I mean, we were just p-langing some stuff 
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My former colleagues on the desktop team at Red Hat now have a job open for anybody interested to take over my place. You won't regret it -- it was an amazing team to work with. https://jobs.redhat.com/jobs/descriptions/senior-software-engineer-westford-massachusetts-job-1-4732322
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Suspicious Dish posted:My former colleagues on the desktop team at Red Hat now have a job open for anybody interested to take over my place. You won't regret it -- it was an amazing team to work with.
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on my desktop, the oomkiller just shot pulseaudio in the head 16 GB of ram used by the audio server gg code:
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can't wait for systemd memory leaks to kill my system thanks, lennart thaaaaart
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It's "thennart".
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:sacrifice child
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