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oldswitcheroo posted:Israel is America. Nope, other way around.
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DrSunshine posted:Wait a second -- what?? In the 21st century?! I thought corporal punishment was banned across the country. What kind of savages are these people?! Jesus Christ. You thought very wrongly, SO many people are ok with corporal punishment. Any conversation about it will involve someone telling you that they were beaten as a kid and they turned out fine. When I was in public schools, they made parents sign a thing saying they could beat the kids if they acted up. Though I guess if the guardian didn't consent to it the district wouldn't do it.
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Sep 13, 2014 18:29
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oldswitcheroo posted:You thought very wrongly, SO many people are ok with corporal punishment. Any conversation about it will involve someone telling you that they were beaten as a kid and they turned out fine. When I was in public schools, they made parents sign a thing saying they could beat the kids if they acted up. Though I guess if the guardian didn't consent to it the district wouldn't do it. Its just creepy to beat kids in school. Coincidentally, corpral punishment in school is banned in states with significant catholic populations.
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Sep 13, 2014 18:35
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It was banned in Korean schools while I was living there, but still went on. Worst I ever saw was one teacher who'd make the kid go on all fours, arched up, and then get a running start and kick the kid square in the gut. People were agitating to bring it back, since they banned it but schools there have no other means of discipline (there are no detentions or suspensions, you can't really dock grades since they're fake anyway, etc) so now there are no punishments for the kids at all. This works about as you'd expect.
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Sep 13, 2014 18:56
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Arizona apparently has it still legal but I can't think of anyone who has been beaten in school or know any teachers who would approve of the practice. A quick google search shows there were like, 16 incidents in 2008 so I'm going to chalk this up to A) rural areas with B) mormons.
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Sep 13, 2014 19:03
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To be fair I grew up in three of those red states and never got whipped once and never saw anyone else get it either.
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Sep 13, 2014 19:03
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oldswitcheroo posted:You thought very wrongly, SO many people are ok with corporal punishment. Any conversation about it will involve someone telling you that they were beaten as a kid and they turned out fine. When I was in public schools, they made parents sign a thing saying they could beat the kids if they acted up. Though I guess if the guardian didn't consent to it the district wouldn't do it. The good news is most Americans even in the south don't think grade schoolers should be spanked. The bad news is most Americans especially in the south approve of spanking their kids otherwise http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=90406 quote:Spanking has its place, most Americans say — but not in school. also corporal punishment is always going to come down to the regional school district(if a state doesn't have a ban on it)
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Sep 13, 2014 19:07
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Is there corporal punishment in state schools in these states or is it just private ones? In the UK private schools were allowed to use corporal punishment for decades after it was banned in state schools.
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Sep 13, 2014 19:12
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Public schools I assume. I believe private ones can do whatever they want anywhere. I grew up in a non corporal punishment state and had friends getting ruler whacked by nuns at private school.
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Sep 13, 2014 19:14
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Grand Fromage posted:Public schools I assume. I believe private ones can do whatever they want anywhere. I grew up in a non corporal punishment state and had friends getting ruler whacked by nuns at private school. Oh wow, so worse than I assumed. I can hardly believe my parents' stories about getting the belt at school in the 50s/60s, insane that it still goes on in the first world in 2014.
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Sep 13, 2014 19:19
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I had no idea it was still legal anywhere in the US either. Legal and actually done are different things, though. I suspect it's not very commonly practiced but there's no political will to change the laws.
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Sep 13, 2014 19:23
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marktheando posted:So what forms of corporal punishment are used by the US government? Does the map refer to waterboarding and beating terror suspects or is corporal punishment used in prisons too? According to wikipedia, judicial corporal punishment was last used officially in Delaware in 1952. The founding fathers were big fans of this practice, though, with e.g. Jefferson writing a law that punished witchcraft with 15 lashes of the whip.
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Sep 13, 2014 19:41
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System Metternich posted:According to wikipedia, judicial corporal punishment was last used officially in Delaware in 1952. The founding fathers were big fans of this practice, though, with e.g. Jefferson writing a law that punished witchcraft with 15 lashes of the whip. During the time period that was basically the only kind of punishment there was. The idea of locking someone up for a period of time instead of beating them or killing them was still pretty new.
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Berke Negri posted:Arizona apparently has it still legal but I can't think of anyone who has been beaten in school or know any teachers who would approve of the practice. A quick google search shows there were like, 16 incidents in 2008 so I'm going to chalk this up to A) rural areas with B) mormons. Except it's banned in Utah. Maybe Mormons don't put up with that poo poo.
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Sep 13, 2014 19:45
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I did see kids get the paddle when I was coming up. Never got it myself though. It always struck me as normal, guess I'm just desensitized. They didn't start until like 3rd grade, so think 9-10 year olds. It's barbaric, but this was Rankin County, Mississippi; a horrible place filled with horrible people. 
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Sep 13, 2014 19:49
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Golbez posted:Except it's banned in Utah. Maybe Mormons don't put up with that poo poo. I'm referring to Mohave County, armed compounds and child brides, not members of the Church of Latter Day Saints.
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Sep 13, 2014 19:53
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Modern Day Hercules posted:During the time period that was basically the only kind of punishment there was. The idea of locking someone up for a period of time instead of beating them or killing them was still pretty new. Alternatively, we had stockades and other means of public shaming, such as tarring and feathering.
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Sep 13, 2014 19:56
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I have to say I guess I don't see what the big deal with school corporal punishment is, as long as it's done with parental permission, as it seems it almost always is. There's nobody to blame but their own lovely parents.
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Sep 13, 2014 19:56
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Sucrose posted:I have to say I guess I don't see what the big deal with school corporal punishment is, as long as it's done with parental permission, as it seems it almost always is. There's nobody to blame but their own lovely parents. Maybe we could bring it into the workplace. Instead of firing people for failing a drug test, just knock them about a bit, teach them a short sharp lesson.
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Sucrose posted:I have to say I guess I don't see what the big deal with school corporal punishment is, as long as it's done with parental permission, as it seems it almost always is. There's nobody to blame but their own lovely parents. The biggest problems are that 1: It teaches kids that violence is the answer to their problems, 2: it's REALLY hard to draw the line between power-tripping adults and people who really want to keep discipline, 3: It may sharply contrast with the disciplinary philosophy of a child's parents, and that can cause repercussions both at school and at home, and 4: It often teaches kids they should fear their educators, especially if punishments are doled out unevenly. On top of all that, it's very difficult to draw the line between reproving and child abuse with corporal punishment in general, schools really don't have much of a place doing it. Jaramin fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Sep 13, 2014 |
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Sep 13, 2014 20:42
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Grand Fromage posted:I had no idea it was still legal anywhere in the US either. Legal and actually done are different things, though. I suspect it's not very commonly practiced but there's no political will to change the laws. I have to imagine this is the case. I went to school in Mississippi and Alabama and maybe remember one kid getting spanked and that was in Elementary School. I didn't even know it was an option in Middle and High School nor do I remember it ever being threatened.
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Sep 13, 2014 20:44
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Uhm, you folks saying that you saw people getting beaten by teachers... care to say how long ago that was? A decade can make a big difference here.
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Sep 13, 2014 20:51
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Kainser posted:It's a bit out of date, Spain and Portugal has apparently banned it entirely as well. Are those 3 pixels supposed to be the Faeroes? I support thier attempt at accuracy despite tiny image size.
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Freudian posted:Maybe we could bring it into the workplace. Instead of firing people for failing a drug test, just knock them about a bit, teach them a short sharp lesson.  I meant that I don't see a great deal of difference between parents hitting their children, and parents giving schools permission to hit their children. The blame ultimately still rests on the parents deciding that it's good policy to hit their children.
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Sep 13, 2014 21:53
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Sucrose posted:
So you're saying that schools should not only condone lovely parenting but implement it on their behalf because... they won't get blamed for it?
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Sep 13, 2014 22:06
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oldswitcheroo posted:You thought very wrongly, SO many people are ok with corporal punishment. Any conversation about it will involve someone telling you that they were beaten as a kid and they turned out fine. When I was in public schools, they made parents sign a thing saying they could beat the kids if they acted up. Though I guess if the guardian didn't consent to it the district wouldn't do it. I started school in Oklahoma in 1977 and every year on the first day of school they would give us a note that our parents could sign and return to tell the school not to use corporal punishment. Every year I begged my Mom to sign it and she always refused. Both times that I got paddled in elementary school, it was because another kid lied to the teacher - once a girl told the teacher I said "gently caress" and another time a boy said I stole his toy car, and I don't think he even brought one to school and I sure didn't have it. I got spanked a couple of times in middle school over tardiness, once in high school for punching a kid in the nose, and twice for getting caught smoking cigarettes. In high school we could choose whether to get detention or take "licks" (one lick per hour of detention), almost all boys chose licks and the few times I went to detention it was 90% girls.
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DrSunshine posted:Wait a second -- what?? In the 21st century?! I thought corporal punishment was banned across the country. What kind of savages are these people?! Jesus Christ. republicans
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Grand Fromage posted:I had no idea it was still legal anywhere in the US either. Legal and actually done are different things, though. I suspect it's not very commonly practiced but there's no political will to change the laws. Some private schools and rural public schools still do it in Texas. In my schools the parents had to give explicit permission, I don't recall it ever happening.
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Sep 13, 2014 23:55
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Grand Fromage posted:It was banned in Korean schools while I was living there, but still went on. Worst I ever saw was one teacher who'd make the kid go on all fours, arched up, and then get a running start and kick the kid square in the gut. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_Royale_(film) Maybe you can even have annual North versus South competitions! I think the kids from the south would have the edge in biometrics but the northerners would probably have nothing to lose.
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Grand Fromage posted:It was banned in Korean schools while I was living there, but still went on. Worst I ever saw was one teacher who'd make the kid go on all fours, arched up, and then get a running start and kick the kid square in the gut. Students can be shifted around from school to school until they end up at a "last stop before jail" technical high school. They're not fun places to be.
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Proud Corsica remains furry less.
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Sep 14, 2014 12:39
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Check out the sharp divide between Germanic Europe and the rest.
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Sep 14, 2014 12:41
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I now see what the gently caress is wrong with flanders and why they (we) may want to secede from the rest. I need to move to the south of the country stat!
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Sep 14, 2014 13:02
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One potential issue with that map: Isn't the Internet still sorta dependent on your first language for many people? I'm pretty sure I saw a map/infographic that had France as being not particularly connected to the English-speaking Internet, where for example the Netherlands and the Nordic Countries were very well integrated. (For obvious reasons.) It seems entirely possible that there is a significant French furry community, just one that doesn't overlap as much with the English-speaking furry community.
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Sep 14, 2014 13:52
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A Buttery Pastry posted:It seems entirely possible that there is a significant French furry community I'm trying to figure out a circumstance where a Finn becomes enamored with being a furry and if one exists, you can bet there are at least a million French furries.
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Sep 14, 2014 14:11
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I like how closely this overlaps with the borders of the Roman Empire (England is an aberration, obviously).
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Sep 14, 2014 14:19
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There are two of them living in my town, and they're friends with each other. How many furries does YOUR location have?A Buttery Pastry posted:One potential issue with that map: Isn't the Internet still sorta dependent on your first language for many people? I'm pretty sure I saw a map/infographic that had France as being not particularly connected to the English-speaking Internet, where for example the Netherlands and the Nordic Countries were very well integrated. (For obvious reasons.) It seems entirely possible that there is a significant French furry community, just one that doesn't overlap as much with the English-speaking furry community. There seems to be a version of the site in every major language, but yes, that's almost certainly the case. Do you still have that map? I love that type of statistics.
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A compelling argument for Scottish independence.
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Only noble Mecklenburg-Vorpommern remains furryless among the germans But yeah, I'm guessing that 'furrymap.net' isn't the most accurate source for the worldwide distribution of Furries.
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