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Depends on your level. I'm collecting the 5 star weapons atm and most of my characters are in the 30-50 level range, only focused on a few during Ambition mode. Since you have to do that on Hard or harder difficulty, I'm finding the fun in trying to survive battles, especially since I don't generally use Defence Boost skill (set up tends to be Quick Learner/Accuracy, Havoc, Attack Boost, Mighty Roar). It is easy for an AI opponent to one shot with a Musou at those levels, especially on the later stages where enemy stats are pretty high. I find I avoid most of them as soon as I hear the musou sound effect is to run away some distance, turn and block to be sure. Might have to include Defence Boost somewhere if I plan to entertain Ultimate difficulty runs, might be fun to try speedruns at that level.
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Re: Xu Shu in WO3U: what are you doing here no one likes you where the gently caress were you hiding anyway
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Unlucky7 posted:Re: Xu Shu in WO3U: what are you doing here no one likes you Eh, his weapon's fun to use. What I want to know is where he came from, since he just kind of shows up in camp with no explanation.
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Sep 14, 2014 06:00
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Maleketh posted:Eh, his weapon's fun to use. What I want to know is where he came from, since he just kind of shows up in camp with no explanation. Seriously it was like that one scientist in Half Life 2 Episode 2
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Sep 14, 2014 06:05
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If I remember correctly they slotted him in with Mai Dai and Pang De's group and just have him gently caress off storywise until the new portions. Most of the reason he even is there at all is because he is mega popular and barely squeaked into the 7 series.
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Sep 14, 2014 08:04
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Davincie posted:Guan Yu is vain and a dick to his own officers and others
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Maleketh posted:Eh, his weapon's fun to use. What I want to know is where he came from, since he just kind of shows up in camp with no explanation. Well he's like (most of) the new characters from SW3, he was always around as a generic, he just suddenly looks different and has much better stats! 
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Sep 14, 2014 09:01
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If any of you want to read more about the characters historically, you can check out this blog: http://the-archlich.tumblr.com/character_analysis He starts off with talking about the game side of the characters, so just scroll down in each analysis and you'll come to the history part and some comparisons between game and history. There's a lot to go through, but it's a pretty fun read.
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Sep 14, 2014 10:57
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Well, I am completely shocked the most made up things are Shu-related Turns out Liu Bei gives Stalin a run for his money in being a douchebag.
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Sep 14, 2014 11:32
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Zhuge Liang was quite funny, in a way. Basically, he attempted to run everything himself. Civil affairs, the military...he even became Shu's official historian. (Which may be why Shu's history is far vaguer and patchier than Wei or Wu, and suffers from more biases) He was a very good civil servant, truth be told, but a pretty terrible general and strategist who thought he was better than he actually was. He suffered from extreme cases of nepotism, promoting his personal buddies like Ma Su and Yang Yi to positions of far greater importance than their limited talents would allow. He also margianlised generals he DIDN'T like, like Wei Yan who was Shu's best commander. Wei Yan was one of Shu's highest ranking officers with a proven track record and some inventive plans to attack Wei. Zhuge Liang never liked the guy, so once he got into power he promoted Wei Yan "sideways", giving him important sounding titles that didnt't actually have any real authority. During the Northern Campaigns, despite Wei Yan offering many plans and begging to command armies, Zhuge Liang never listened to him and never gave him any decent roles to play. Funnily enough, his last will and testement specifically screwed over poor Wei Yan from beyond the grave.
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Sep 14, 2014 11:48
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Is that why Wei Yan is shown as slow in the DW games?
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PureRok posted:Is that why Wei Yan is shown as slow in the DW games? That and he supposedly had a misshapen head or some such. The whole Wei Yan and Zhuge Liang thing is one of my favorite parts of the Three Kingdoms story and as far as I can remember is only vaguely mentioned outside of 7XL.
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Sep 14, 2014 12:44
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The GIG posted:If I remember correctly they slotted him in with Mai Dai and Pang De's group and just have him gently caress off storywise until the new portions. Most of the reason he even is there at all is because he is mega popular and barely squeaked into the 7 series. I love that the guy with the pubestache is apparently super-popular with female fans.
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Sep 14, 2014 13:32
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Given Xu Shu seems to spend most of his time in game talking about how much better Zhuge Liang is than him and how he wishes he was as smart as him, it's pretty funny that it's almost implied he tried to grow a tache like Zhuge Liang but failed miserably at that too.
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Sep 14, 2014 13:40
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Kraxxukalf posted:If any of you want to read more about the characters historically, you can check out this blog: http://the-archlich.tumblr.com/character_analysis
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Endorph posted:His historical analysises are pretty decent, but his stuff about the games can be... weird. He literally calls the Koei character designers monsters at one point. Seems accurate IMO since they abandoned the idea of making Pang Tong into a moth man.
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Endorph posted:His historical analysises are pretty decent, but his stuff about the games can be... weird. He literally calls the Koei character designers monsters at one point. Yeah I'd err on the side of caution when reading the archlich's stuff. His personal biases are very apparent, and he tends to get into frothing rages regarding minor aspects of the games or characters he doesn't like. For example, he gives a lot of frankly unfair criticism regarding Koei's depiction of Shu, ignoring the near-two millennia of culture and folk lore that lead to Shu being cast as the protagonists. Him saying that Koei only made Shu the heroes because they are Guan Yu and Zhuge Liang fanboys is wrong and frankly baffling.
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Sep 14, 2014 13:47
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They're clearly Zhao Yun fanboys. I mean, he's on the cover of pretty much every DW, right? Pepsi are clearly Lu Bu fanboys.
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Daikoku posted:Well he's like (most of) the new characters from SW3, he was always around as a generic, he just suddenly looks different and has much better stats! Well, yeah, but even those newcomers appear in battles before you recruit them. Xu Shu? Just sort of there with no preamble.
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Brony Hunter posted:Yeah I'd err on the side of caution when reading the archlich's stuff. His personal biases are very apparent, and he tends to get into frothing rages regarding minor aspects of the games or characters he doesn't like. For example, he gives a lot of frankly unfair criticism regarding Koei's depiction of Shu, ignoring the near-two millennia of culture and folk lore that lead to Shu being cast as the protagonists. Him saying that Koei only made Shu the heroes because they are Guan Yu and Zhuge Liang fanboys is wrong and frankly baffling.
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Sep 14, 2014 16:19
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You are right, he did attack a defend...ful child. Also he's wrong about Xiahou Ba's weapon. Its totally loving rad as hell
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Sep 14, 2014 16:38
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Brony Hunter posted:he even became Shu's official historian. (Which may be why Shu's history is far vaguer and patchier than Wei or Wu, and suffers from more biases) Brony Hunter posted:Yeah I'd err on the side of caution when reading the archlich's stuff. His personal biases are very apparent, and he tends to get into frothing rages regarding minor aspects of the games or characters he doesn't like. For example, he gives a lot of frankly unfair criticism regarding Koei's depiction of Shu, ignoring the near-two millennia of culture and folk lore that lead to Shu being cast as the protagonists. Him saying that Koei only made Shu the heroes because they are Guan Yu and Zhuge Liang fanboys is wrong and frankly baffling. Re: Yi province/Liu Zhang -- Koei is obviously making up the bit about "the people want it", but even in the novel Pang Tong was pretty overtly egging Liu Bei on. The TV show's way of getting around this is to both depict Liu Bei as ambivalent (that is, both his public fealty and his private ambition are 'real' -- so Pang Tong gets himself killed to force the issue) and depict Liu Zhang as an idle hedonist (treated as a bad ruler in chaotic times that need a firmer hand) who, ironically enough, isn't listening to his more sensible/realistic advisors that are warning him about Liu Bei's force...
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While his analyses can be biased, I do have to agree with some of his views on Shu, as I really cannot stand them anymore, what with learning how their historical background is and their benevolent role in the games. Especially after finishing the Three Kingdoms series, I absolutely hate Zhuge Liang with him knowing everything before it happens and planning for it. He always sees through everything. It really gets out of hand at Chi Bi and when dealing with Wei Yan, he was such a total rear end in a top hat about everything and everyone still loved him for it. I was almost ecstatic when he finally croaked.
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Kraxxukalf posted:their benevolent role in the games. Kraxxukalf posted:Especially after finishing the Three Kingdoms series (Agreed on the rear end in a top hat bit with Wei Yan, especially since we're not given anything wrong he did other than... lo and behold, disagreeing with Zhuge Liang.) Kraxxukalf posted:he was such a total rear end in a top hat about everything and everyone still loved him for it.
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Sep 14, 2014 19:11
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Does Shu have Cao Cao or Zhou Tai? The answer is no so they loving suck
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Sep 14, 2014 19:23
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ThePhenomenalBaby posted:Does Shu have Cao Cao or Zhou Tai? The answer is no so they loving suck Those are awfully strange ways to spell "Huang Gai."
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Chortles posted:Just to be clear, are we talking about the 2010 series here? The 2010 series, I haven't seen the 90s one, so can't really comment on that. But you're right that there are some instances where he's in the wrong, like with Guan Yu, but I feel that the cases where he was wrong are far outnumbered by the ones where he's right about everything. It was however fun to see Guan Yu and Zhang Fei be portrayed as the morons they were. But again, the Chi Bi scenes with Zhuge Liang and Zhou Yu battling it out and Zhuge Liang constantly having the upper hand, and then Lu Su acting as the messenger boy who is in awe every time Zhuge Liang says something smart. It just ended up being really irritating. And yeah, the Wei Yan plot was over the top, as when he's talking with a dying Zhuge Liang he affirms that he'll be loyal to the end and will do what he says. Zhuge Liang even says he's the most talented and should take over when he's gone. Then seconds after Wei Yan leaves Zhuge Liang basically says to his buddies 'gently caress him. He's a traitor, have him killed.' Total rear end in a top hat move.
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For some more interesting posts about the history http://3kfunfacts.tumblr.com/ has some amusing anecdotes. don't know the historicity of it all but...
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Calax, the bit about a drunken Sun Quan and a naked Zhou Tai is in the novel. The bit about Sun Quan burning down Zhang Zhao's house... not so much.Kraxxukalf posted:The 2010 series, I haven't seen the 90s one, so can't really comment on that. But you're right that there are some instances where he's in the wrong, like with Guan Yu, but I feel that the cases where he was wrong are far outnumbered by the ones where he's right about everything. It was however fun to see Guan Yu and Zhang Fei be portrayed as the morons they were. I don't quite see things your way though -- my problem with him in the 2010 series is that "forced adherence to the novel" has Zhuge Liang acting in ways that make less sense than they did in the novel, i.e. I think novel-Guan Yu let the power get to his head after he was left alone in Jing while Zhuge Liang already knew (and was telling Liu Bei) about TK2010-Guan Yu's problems before the Yi province campaigns, and both Liu Bei and Zhuge Liang recognized TK2010-Zhao Yun as not dumb... so in the context of the show it's even more hollow to see him leave Guan Yu in charge (even if his actor may have been making "please don't gently caress this up for me" eyes at Guan Yu's actor). It's also a little weird to imagine "I need Zhao Yun as a hedge against Zhang Fei loving up on the way to Yi province" as the reason, because he'd already foresworn Zhao Yun -- preferring that he protect Liu Bei instead -- when Liu Bei gave him a secret order for Zhao Yun to back Zhuge Liang if Guan Yu and Zhang Fei tried to commit a coup against Zhuge Liang. Kraxxukalf posted:But again, the Chi Bi scenes with Zhuge Liang and Zhou Yu battling it out and Zhuge Liang constantly having the upper hand, and then Lu Su acting as the messenger boy who is in awe every time Zhuge Liang says something smart. It just ended up being really irritating. Kraxxukalf posted:And yeah, the Wei Yan plot was over the top, as when he's talking with a dying Zhuge Liang he affirms that he'll be loyal to the end and will do what he says. Zhuge Liang even says he's the most talented and should take over when he's gone. Then seconds after Wei Yan leaves Zhuge Liang basically says to his buddies 'gently caress him. He's a traitor, have him killed.' Total rear end in a top hat move. (As for Ma Su... considering that he got upgraded from an otherwise random gently caress to Zhuge Liang's student throughout the years, his situation -- and Zhuge Liang sticking him at Jieting despite what would happen -- reeks of "mandated by adherence to the novel".)
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What happened to story mode in 8, it seems like its a "Best hits" edition, and was really disappointing compared to 7's which showed the rise and fall of every kingdom, and deaths of most of the cast. EDIT: Though, I did love how Sun Quan died in the very first mission, poor guy can't catch a break. Judge Tesla fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Sep 14, 2014 |
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Judge Tesla posted:What happened to story mode in 8, it seems like its a "Best hits" edition, and was really disappointing compared to 7's which showed the rise and fall of every kingdom, and deaths of most of the cast.
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7 was like the only one that tried to have a coherent version of events anyway, all the others were pretty much just a few movies and a brief intro to the current battle and that was it. At least, as far as I can remember.
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Endorph posted:my favorite part is him complaining about that one cutscene of Zhao Yun knocking out a child soldier with the blunt of his spear. Like, the kid was out cold and all of Shu's soldiers rode past him, he got up and was fine, as opposed to him being conscious and probably getting himself killed in the fight. I'm not sure how you interpret that as Zhao Yun attacking a defenseless child. It's such an odd thing to be hung up on and get so mad about, especially given that happened in what? DW 3? DW4? Back when very few characters had any defined personality traits at all, and it was literally like a decade ago? Especially since I've noticed he also glosses over or dismisses his favourite characters (like Sima Yi) acting oddly or strangely in the older games and only mentioning their recent characterisations.
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Chortles posted:That's been a consensus opinion here and I suspect that someone at Koei-Tecmo made the decision that basically anyone who was still playing the DW line games (as opposed to other Musou titles) was already perfectly aware of the lore. Speaking as someone who is both unfamiliar with ancient China and/or the Romance of Three Kingdoms, and DW8 being my first DW game, it definitely felt a bit hard to follow at times. Lots of names of people and places thrown at me, with new people showing up and disappearing all the time, it was kinda confusing at first. Having played through the main three story campaigns now, it definitely makes more sense as a whole. I just kinda had to get a hang of who's who and the basics of how the factions work. The whole time I played it, all I could think was how totally awesome it would be if I was actually familiar with the historical people. While it was fun shooting ice powers to save ancient China from chaos, it woulda been better if I was already knew about how Cao Cao was or whatever.
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The problem with 7's story was that because it was so focused only like 40% of the cast got used. In 8 the fact you can choose from multiple characters means that the story has to be more general to accommodate all the characters.
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Dewgy posted:Did you get one shotted by Lu Bu? Because that's basically just what happens from that. No it wasn't Lu Bu, It was just a random officers musou attack. Man I can't believe I loved Shu all those years. I even mained Guan Yu because I liked his design so much and I thought he was pretty awesome too. Why exactly does history favor the Shu?
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Sefal posted:No it wasn't Lu Bu, It was just a random officers musou attack. Man I can't believe I loved Shu all those years. I even mained Guan Yu because I liked his design so much and I thought he was pretty awesome too. Why exactly does history favor the Shu? Originally, there was some slight Shu whitewashing because the original historical record (commissioned by Jin) was compiled by a Shu historian. Even so, there was an even larger Wei bias since Jin had usurped Wei, and thus establishing Wei's legitimacy was paramount to establishing Jin's. Over the years, the folk stories regarding the time period started to take on a Shu bias. One of the reasons I can recall semi-offhand is that, during a period of invasion by non-Chinese (sometimes refereed to as non-Han) forces, the main resistance (the Southern Song dynasty) was stationed in the south of China. The inclusion in these lands of some of Shu's original lands, like Chengdu, made the tales of Shu's resistance against Wei easy to twist into an analogue for the Southern Song's current plight. Combined with Liu Bei's claims of a blood connection to the Royal Family of the Han (also of the house Liu), Shu became associated with "Han" and Wei with "non-Han." In the following Yuan period, where the Mongol's ruled China, the Mongol rulers wanted to appear truly sinicized. Thus, they supported plays about the Three Kingdoms period which portrayed Shu in a positive light (thus appearing to support the Han). Finally, the dynasty following the Yuan (the Ming) brought an end to Mongol rule and sought to establish itself as the legitimate successor to the Han. Once again, Shu's struggle against Wei and previous association with the Han made them appear in a favorable light. This is the era in which the original novel was actually written. Anyone really interested in the full explanations (and not my confused half-remembered reasons) should read the papers in the back of the Moss Roberts edition of the novel. He delves into some very interesting analysis. TooManyUzukis fucked around with this message at 02:52 on Sep 15, 2014 |
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ThePhenomenalBaby posted:Does Shu have Cao Cao or Zhou Tai? The answer is no so they loving suck Think you meant to say Han Dang or Zhou Tai or Gan Ning or Ling Tong or Lu Meng or Lu Su or Sun Jian or Sun Ce. Wu empire best empire.
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Jia Chong, Deng Ai and Guo Huai are pretty impeachable. Also, you forgot Ding Feng.
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I will never not like Zhong Hui. Sure, he's an egotistical prick, but the man has style.
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