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New Division posted:Can't wait for the current head of the House of Saud to croak. He's pretty ancient now isn't he? That should lead to some interesting stuff in the kingdom. It's been too long since we've seen a good war of succession. Was he the guy that went and hung out with Obama the other day with all the pictures of himself in the room? Whoever dyes his beard is a master of the craft.
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cravius posted:Sick burn Since you didn't seem to get it, the point is that basically everything he's accusing muslims of has been leveled against Catholics and other religions.
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Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:Before we make the situation worse by trying to engage Cippalippus in any meaningful way Like, seriously, though.
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New Division posted:Can't wait for the current head of the House of Saud to croak. He's pretty ancient now isn't he? That should lead to some interesting stuff in the kingdom. It's been too long since we've seen a good war of succession. I would love to see ISIS try to get into Saudi Arabia because the top half of the country is literally all desert.
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Sep 14, 2014 03:09
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I'm frightened for the second Briton that was paraded at the end of the Haines execution video 
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To Battle posted:I would love to see ISIS try to get into Saudi Arabia because the top half of the country is literally all desert. Isn't that more the bottom half and the top half is capable of handling just enough vegetation to graze some cattle on every few years?
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New Division posted:Can't wait for the current head of the House of Saud to croak. He's pretty ancient now isn't he? That should lead to some interesting stuff in the kingdom. It's been too long since we've seen a good war of succession. Saudi Arabia is like westeros and ISIS is like the white walkers
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:I'm frightened for the second Briton that was paraded at the end of the Haines execution video I've got a spoiler alert for you, unfortunately
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How likely is it that ISIS has killed all the hostages already and is just staggering the video releases to make it look like the West has some remote hope of saving them?
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Typo posted:Saudi Arabia is like westeros and ISIS is like the white walkers That's good, that means ISIS is unlikely to ever actually show up in Saudi Arabia
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FourLeaf posted:How likely is it that ISIS has killed all the hostages already and is just staggering the video releases to make it look like the West has some remote hope of saving them? Probably not likely, since the hostages keep referencing relatively current events in the videos. To be honest, I don't think anyone is really hoping to get any of them back. Military planners probably already consider them dead, although if they got the chance to seize them back they'd probably take it.
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Sep 14, 2014 04:22
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suboptimal posted:Probably not likely, since the hostages keep referencing relatively current events in the videos. It would appear ISIS is only publicly executing hostages from nations which refuse to pay their ransom demands. I'd say that the American and British hostages they current hold are proving more a liability for them then as an asset to be bargained away. Hostage taking is quite the profitable business, if the reports on the issue by ProPublica are anything to go by. For instance, their longform on the Mumbai attacks: http://www.propublica.org/article/the-man-behind-mumbai
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New Division posted:That's good, that means ISIS is unlikely to ever actually show up in Saudi Arabia The bastard son of a Saudi nobleman will make sure of that
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Sep 14, 2014 05:10
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My Imaginary GF posted:It would appear ISIS is only publicly executing hostages from nations which refuse to pay their ransom demands. I'd say that the American and British hostages they current hold are proving more a liability for them then as an asset to be bargained away. That was a really good read, thanks for sharing it. I wonder if IS will eventually hit a point of diminishing returns with their killing of hostages. I think that people have come to see it as expected behavior from them, and each subsequent execution is going to have less of a psychological impact than the one that preceded it.
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suboptimal posted:That was a really good read, thanks for sharing it. BrownMoses may be able to answer this more accurately, what I'm wondering is which regional and demographic audience ISIS aims to reach with these videos. BrownMoses, with your connections at Google, any way you know of to publicly view detailed information on users who watch videos? I'm sure they hand over the GID of users who watch the videos and someone's algorithim sorts through. At least, that's what I'd hope is being done.
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suboptimal posted:That was a really good read, thanks for sharing it. That may be why they're varying the nationality.
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My Imaginary GF posted:BrownMoses, with your connections at Google, any way you know of to publicly view detailed information on users who watch videos? I'm sure they hand over the GID of users who watch the videos and someone's algorithim sorts through. At least, that's what I'd hope is being done. Not sure it would matter who is directly watching the videos as long as news organisations, particularity mainstream western news ones, keep reporting them I can't see ISIS stopping. Also as has been mentioned ransom money. Even though US and UK aren't paying as long as other countries are executing some people serves as a public reminder, and keeps pressure on those other countries to comply. Ideally countries would stop paying and the news organisations would stop reporting, but that's not going to happen. dr_rat fucked around with this message at 06:41 on Sep 14, 2014 |
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dr_rat posted:Now sure it would matter who is directly watching the videos as long as news organisations, particularity mainstream western news ones, keep reporting them I can't see ISIS stopping. I can see them altering their methods to keep things fresh with their audience. Like a livestream. Or evolving their executions/post-processing based on better penetration to their target audience. ISIS: developing the methodology of evidence-based beheadings.
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ISIS live streams of killing fields doesn't seem too far fetched.
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My Imaginary GF posted:I can see them altering their methods to keep things fresh with their audience. Probably. ISIS have been shown to be pretty media savvy, so I don't doubt if the executions stop getting the desired media attention that they would notice quite quickly and move to other strategies. I would hope using the age old youtube strategies of involving cute kittens playing adorably, but ISIS being ISIS something like livestreaming an execution is unfortunately more likely. Edit: although would livestreaming be a security risk? I'm not that tech savvy when it comes to these things, but would finding a proxy that could adequately hide the original connection location as well as have enough bandwidth to stream video be difficult. From my understating something like TOR would be far to slow for live video. In my experience most proxys have poo poo speed,as well as there always being a risk what ever proxy your using is compromised. Not such a problem if you just using a proxy to get around a content blocker, but probably more so when your trying to film an execution of a US or UK citizen. dr_rat fucked around with this message at 06:56 on Sep 14, 2014 |
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Berke Negri posted:ISIS live streams of killing fields doesn't seem too far fetched. That would allow for pretty much real-time targeting through IP location analysis so I don't think they're stupid enough to try that. Admittedly crypto and IT aren't really my field, but I dunno if there's a way to create a secure connection that would obscure a livestreamer's IP, at least not with readily available commercial equipment and some jihadi's Samsung a galaxy or whatever.
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I don't think they have the capability to livestream. Uploading on youtube is pretty much the same concept anyways. I've never once seen a livestream in Syria. There were a bunch in Gaza, but only from international reporters, and there's no reporters in Raqqa. I don't think the domestic internet is capable of it.
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dr_rat posted:Probably. ISIS have been shown to be pretty media savvy, so I don't doubt if the executions stop getting the desired media attention that they would notice quite quickly and move to other strategies. Well, cute kittens have some precedent for use amongst islamist-aligned groups as recruiting tools/acceptable public recruitment symbols. I'm more thinking about slight changes that may seem insignificant on first glance, yet would be very revealing when compared between videos: post-processing effects, texts added, music used, cats involved, length of execution duration shown, etc. E: Volkerball posted:I don't think they have the capability to livestream. Uploading on youtube is pretty much the same concept anyways. I've never once seen a livestream in Syria. There were a bunch in Gaza, but only from international reporters, and there's no reporters in Raqqa. I don't think the domestic internet is capable of it. If you're willing to employ the use of westerners and raw recruits as suicide bombers, why not take it to the logical conclusion and live-stream an execution next to the Raqqa kindergarten and baby nursery (and have other recording equipment set up to capture the aftermath) for maximum propaganda gain? To me, nothing about that seems too far-fetched; its a combination of established and known Hamas media-manipulation methodology and ISIS tactics to generate internal propaganda while growing international islamist support. Hence the danger of ISIS: this is not an implausible scenario Ceterum autem censeo ISIS esse delendam My Imaginary GF fucked around with this message at 07:04 on Sep 14, 2014 |
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My Imaginary GF posted:Well, cute kittens have some precedent for use amongst islamist-aligned groups as recruiting tools/acceptable public recruitment symbols. Link or it didn't happen.  My Imaginary GF posted:I'm more thinking about slight changes that may seem insignificant on first glance, yet would be very revealing when compared between videos: post-processing effects, texts added, music used, cats involved, length of execution duration shown, etc. I think most changes in editing wouldn't matter. As I said before I think its far more likely the video itself is anywhere near widely distributed as news about it, so unless the changes were note worthy enough to be reported on I think they would be ignored. Length of execution might be reported on just due to the news widely loving reporting about gory details like that. Any thing they can change to make the videos harsher or gorier will get more air time because the media is poo poo basically. A bit of self censoring, like most newspapers do with not reporting on suicides, or when they do not reporting method, would probably be really helpful but as long as there's tabloids out there they'll report it, and the others will follow as to not miss out. dr_rat fucked around with this message at 07:12 on Sep 14, 2014 |
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My Imaginary GF posted:If you're willing to employ the use of westerners and raw recruits as suicide bombers, why not take it to the logical conclusion and live-stream an execution next to the Raqqa kindergarten and baby nursery (and have other recording equipment set up to capture the aftermath) for maximum propaganda gain? To me, nothing about that seems too far-fetched; its a combination of established and known Hamas media-manipulation methodology and ISIS tactics to generate internal propaganda while growing international islamist support. My entire point was that they probably couldn't if they wanted to.
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flashman posted:Can't exactly carpet bomb Newtown now can we? I just want you to think big, Henry, for christsakes
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:I'm frightened for the second Briton that was paraded at the end of the Haines execution video The awful thing must be sitting around waiting for it too happen. Slowly watching others being taken out over the days/weeks.
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Volkerball posted:I don't think they have the capability to livestream. Uploading on youtube is pretty much the same concept anyways. I've never once seen a livestream in Syria. There were a bunch in Gaza, but only from international reporters, and there's no reporters in Raqqa. I don't think the domestic internet is capable of it. There were a bunch of livestreams from Syria. I watched a few from Homs for a couple of weeks.
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My Imaginary GF posted:If you're willing to employ the use of westerners and raw recruits as suicide bombers, why not take it to the logical conclusion and live-stream an execution next to the Raqqa kindergarten and baby nursery (and have other recording equipment set up to capture the aftermath) for maximum propaganda gain? I mean, see what sort of videos ISIS posts: as far as I'm aware, they are all about killing, and mostly men. There are no videos of rapes. No videos of killing babies. They are kept more or less within the boundaries of what's acceptable in the West in an action movie, or a game. ...unless I'm totally wrong, and ISIS recently released a batch of gangrape porn?
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As a Jihadi group your social media strategy sucks if it takes 4 days for people to notice your video featuring a British hostage.
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I'm not sure what's worse in this thread, the neocons holding their dicks, trying to assure everyone that this time will be the time where military intervention in the middle east will work out okay while trying to dismiss away all claims of the very serious problem the United States have with funding actual moderates, where instead a lot of said resources "accidentally" end up on extremist hands (because the poor Americans are too weak to control their Gulf slave-state vassals i guess?) and go to hilarious extremes to dismiss away all facts that go against their crusade, even going to the length of calling literally leftist armed militias as not actually leftist but also simply moderates, just as moderate as Al-Nusra or whatever fuckhead group you people liked to group into one big monolhitic pious family, where the ever so pious but very much extremist and conservative uncles got much more weapons than the actual moderate, secular or democratic cousins due to, yet again, "accidental" logistical reasons. Or the fuckheads who can't really decide if they call themselves liberals or leftists* due to the atrocious degradation of the American education system and who keep spouting nonsense that ranges from proclaiming the current problems in the middle east need to be solved by abolition of taxes, refusing aid to any opposition to Assad because they're all potential ISISists or even saying that Saddam was kinda okay and held the country together from extremists. This thread turns into one massive orgy of shitposts whenever news about the Middle East and possible U.S. action get a spotlight on TV. That, to me is one of the biggest tragedies of U.S. imperialism. It releases the astoundingly stupid voices that dictate American policy outside of their usually FOX and CNN protected bubbles. *You're neither. Cippalippus posted:There's a funny article related to ISIS on a Swiss newspaper talking about the following mythological creatures: unicorns, Santa Claus and moderate Muslims talking against the ISIS. Goes on to talk about how right we were when we banned minarets a few years ago and quotes the late Oriana Fallaci.
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Saddam wasn't OK but he did hold the country together. I mean, he did. There was certainly no room for anyone he considered extremist, those dudes got fed into a shredder* along with their families. *not really woke wedding drone fucked around with this message at 09:38 on Sep 14, 2014 |
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He held the country together so well that he had to kill hundreds of thousands of Shiite, Kurdish, and leftist rebels, had regular massive revolts, dropped poison gas on his own cities, engaged in genocide, and didn't even have full de facto control over his nation's territory for the last dozen years of his rule despite all that. Is there some kind of Baathist tyrant factory somewhere churning these guys out? I'm sure glad the US allowed him to butcher 250,000 Kurds, Shia, and leftists in 1991 after we told them to rise up against him. Wouldn't want Iraq to fracture along ethnic lines now, would we? Sergg fucked around with this message at 10:01 on Sep 14, 2014 |
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Hey all that stuff happened but at least we never had to see any of it shot in HD and posted on the internet! When you get right down to it that's all that really matters.
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Plenty of pictures of Halabja gas attack. Funny enough there were 21 different documented incidences of Iraqi authorities using chemical weapons on a smaller scale against the Kurds, yet nobody did anything about it, and nobody did anything about Halabja. Gee that sounds awfully familiar.
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Mans posted:even going to the length of calling literally leftist armed militias as not actually leftist but also simply moderates, just as moderate as Al-Nusra or whatever fuckhead group you people liked to group into one big monolhitic pious family, where the ever so pious but very much extremist and conservative uncles got much more weapons than the actual moderate, secular or democratic cousins due to, yet again, "accidental" logistical reasons. *citation other than a communist flag from the 80's needed. I'm not sure where the meme that the YPG were fighting for an independent socialist paradise in the desert started, but it really needs to die. In western terms, they're probably best described as conservative Democrats with a hint of nationalism. They kicked out Arab refugees at one point, the government in Iraq is an ill-representative clusterfuck where journalists get murdered for speaking the truth, and they still aren't pushing for independence. They want the same thing the FSA wants. A unified government that represents all sects proportionally, and they've allied for that cause. But for some reason the Kurds get to be noble, heroic fighters making the best of a bad situation, and moderate Sunni's are just walking beheading machines waiting to go off. 
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SedanChair posted:Saddam wasn't OK but he did hold the country together. I mean, he did. There was certainly no room for anyone he considered extremist, those dudes got fed into a shredder* along with their families. Volkerball posted:*citation other than a communist flag from the 80's needed. Thank you.
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Mans posted:Or the fuckheads who can't really decide if they call themselves liberals or leftists* due to the atrocious degradation of the American education system and who keep spouting nonsense that ranges from proclaiming the current problems in the middle east need to be solved by abolition of taxes, refusing aid to any opposition to Assad because they're all potential ISISists or even saying that Saddam was kinda okay and held the country together from extremists. Thank you, Christ. edit: I cringe every time someone goes "well, at least Saddam kept things in control" because it implies the only way to keep the region down is brutal suppression (quick tip, surprisingly not otherwise Iraq would be fine) but also it implies that the real tragedy was over throwing totalitarianism, and not, you know, utter corruption throughout all levels of the CPA and neo-cons thinking that they could just rebuild a country that had been bombed for twenty years by slapping some flat screens in the stock market room and hiring a bunch of young staffer drinking buddies who couldn't even dream of passing classes to be considered Chicago Boys. Berke Negri fucked around with this message at 11:36 on Sep 14, 2014 |
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Well this is cute. How ISIS gets rid of some bodies.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKCtkGjqJf4
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