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Lottery of Babylon posted:Read it while you're young enough... Lottery of Babylon posted:It touches on everybody(?)'s innermost worry at that age other than their sexuality, namely "That girl who is about 12 looks awfully pretty. But she's 12. Oh no, I must be a paedophile (it's a hebephile, anyways)." Lottery of Babylon posted:There is sex, but all of it is implied, your dirty thoughts filling in the blanks, *wink*? Lottery of Babylon posted:Because of the way Humbert is the narrator we get a very stilted view of who Lolita really is which helps us to feel worried as to whether the entire concept of her kidnapping and regular rape is really just "no biggie" for her. Lottery of Babylon posted:I liked especially the time in which Lolita thinks that Humbert is asleep and starts to cry. No, I found it very distressing, but you know what I mean. Lottery of Babylon posted:It is a very good book. It is sexy, but don't be put off by that, because it is both a classic and readable - a rarity.
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corn in the bible posted:" The best part of this is the Lolita YMMV page: " Misaimed Fandom: Vladimir Nabokov hoped his readers were smart enough to see through all of Humbert's attempts at gaining sympathy, and realize what a sick and twisted man he is. Not all of them were. -Some people actually sympathize with Humbert. As quoted by another writer, Lolita is "not the corruption of an innocent child by a cunning adult, but the exploitation of a weak adult by a corrupt child". -Some people denounce the book because they think it's an attempt to portray pedophilia in a positive light (when in reality, Nabokov was trying to show the opposite). Seeing as Humbert is an Unreliable Narrator who often tries to gain the reader's sympathy and justify his actions, it's not too surprising that people misunderstand. " 
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dont forget there are pedophiles who like boys Basic Trope: An adult (usually but not always a woman) in a relationship with an underage boy. Played Straight: Bob is 10 years old and in a relationship with Alice, who is 20. Exaggerated: Bob is 8 years old and Alice is a Christmas Cake. Up to Eleven: Bob is 2 and Alice is Really Seven Hundred Years Old. Bob is a toddler and Alice is a Cool Old Lady. Bob was just Born as an Adult and Alice is over 9000 years old. Downplayed: Bob is 12 years old coming to 13 and Alice is 15 years old. Justified: Bob is the resident Kidanova, and just happens to have a thing for older women. Or, it's really a Precocious Crush he has on his teacher. Inverted: Precocious Crush Gender Inverted: Lolicon Subverted: Bob is Older Than He Looks Bob is actually aging backwards and so grows younger with age, while Alice ages normally. Double Subverted: ...Because Bob was moved ahead several grades and Alice is older than she looks. Parodied: Alice carries Bob down the isle because he is barely old enough to walk. or: Alice is only one year older than Bob, but everyone still calls her a Shotacon. Deconstructed: First of all, it would be considered illegal in today's day and age, and secondly, the emotional and mental maturity required to be in a relationship is perhaps too much for a young, un(der)developed boy, and not to mention the possibility that Alice could be manipulating him... Reconstructed: Bob is Wise Beyond His Years, and the two of them don't care about societal customs. Averted: Bob only dates women or girls who are his age or around his age. Bob is Asexuality and more importantly, a-romantic. Zig-Zagged: Bob dates girls in a variety of different ages. Lampshaded: "Seriously, Bob? She's old enough to be your mom!" Enforced: The work in question has this setup as part of Author Appeal, hence why there would be a Token Shota on the team. Defied: Alice acknowledges that Bob is attractive, but holds off from making a move on him until he is of reasonable age. Discussed: "Isn't Bob a little young to be even interested in girls? Let alone older women?" Conversed: "Isn't Alice a little old to be even considering Bob? He's hardly into puberty for Pete sakes!" Played for Laughs: Bob's reputation as someone who Likes Older Women is something of a Running Gag, and he's made advances on everyone from his teacher to the female lead protagonist. Or, Alice's attraction to younger boys has lead her to receive the nickname "Shota-gal!" Played for Drama: Alice is really The Vamp playing on Bob's lack of maturity/experience in dating girls, and all she really wants is to use him. Alternatively: Alice genuinely loves Bob, but Bob is too immature to handle (or even care about) a relationship, and has no idea why this "nice lady" is behaving this way.
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:I hope Esmι will one day grow some basic human decency and be horrified that he wrote this thing You'd be surprised how regretful people can be about the things they've done in the past and how they've acted. There's hope yet for these tropers.
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Sep 15, 2014 04:14
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Hebephile, ephebophile, lolicon... Paedos sure do hate the P word.
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Ague Proof posted:Hebephile, ephebophile, lolicon... Paedos sure do hate the P word. I think it's the same thing that racists do. Racist = bad. They don't think they're a bad person, therefore they are not a racist. Except replace racist with pedophile. RaspberryCommie fucked around with this message at 04:38 on Sep 15, 2014 |
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Arcsquad12 posted:Anyone considering Lolita to be sexy and titillating should gently caress off and die. It is intentionally written to be so, and you're supposed to be a competent enough reader to notice that this is wrong. Like, that's a major part of the novel, that Humbert is constantly attempting to make you feel like he feels.
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I remember being confused why Fast Eddie was removing Lolita, because you know, it's actual literature and not just troper fapfiction. Now I see that he actually had a point, to  it's all the loving same 
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I think Lolita being cut was Tropers trying to play chicken with the Google-ads mandate. They thought if they put real art on the chopping block they could keep their pedoshit animes on principle.
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Razorwired posted:I think Lolita being cut was Tropers trying to play chicken with the Google-ads mandate. They thought if they put real art on the chopping block they could keep their pedoshit animes on principle. What, did they believe Google to go "Well now, if you put it like that we will obviously have to allow all of it, what with you being such an important site and all". Like Google would give a poo poo if Lolita was caught up in the pedo purge.
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Sep 15, 2014 07:26
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They thought they could fund the site by offering avatar badges for "Tropies". Basically you dumped ten dollars or more into Fast Eddie's bank account and you could tag a bunch of little $1.50 buttons and symbols under your avatar.
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Razorwired posted:They thought they could fund the site by offering avatar badges for "Tropies". Basically you dumped ten dollars or more into Fast Eddie's bank account and you could tag a bunch of little $1.50 buttons and symbols under your avatar. What kind of lovely site would make you pay money to customize your avatar?
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Lottery of Babylon posted:Read it while you're young enough... At the very least, the other review for Lolita on tvtropes seems to understand the story and what it's trying to convey. Chromius fucked around with this message at 07:37 on Sep 15, 2014 |
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The page for Lolita was taken down because it would have been unfair bias if Lolita were given a free pass without being subjected to P5 scrutiny while other equally-valid works like the ten-year-old succubus anime had to undergo review. It's the (il)logical extension of their "no notability" rule: in their eyes, there is no difference at all between one of the greatest works of 20th century literature and an obscure child porn cartoon. Along similar lines, when they were forced to clean up their rape trope pages, the master hackitator decided to just delete every page with the character string "rape" in its name and call it a day. This meant that pages like "All Men Are Rapists" were left untouched, but "The Grapes of Wrath" was deleted. Razorwired posted:They thought they could fund the site by offering avatar badges for "Tropies". Basically you dumped ten dollars or more into Fast Eddie's bank account and you could tag a bunch of little $1.50 buttons and symbols under your avatar. Are those still around? I remember some were removed because they were Warhammer 40k images and GW is very protective of their IP. Speaking of 40k, and of mixing up nerd bullshit with real literature... Analysis: Warhammer 40k posted:40k allows for a deeper understanding of 1984
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Segmentation Fault posted:What kind of lovely site would make you pay money to customize your avatar? I'm aware of the irony. But it wasn't even avatars. It was 25x25 badges under your avatars. These threads were a source of Troper paranoia then so Eddie probably thought paying for an avatar was too SA. As far as I know the Tropie system went away quick.
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Razorwired posted:I'm aware of the irony. But it wasn't even avatars. It was 25x25 badges under your avatars. These threads were a source of Troper paranoia then so Eddie probably thought paying for an avatar was too SA. Oh my god, how much money would SA make if you could also pay for tiny badges under your avatar?
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Honestly, I don't think there's a lot of pedophiles on TV Tropes. I think there's a lot and lot and LOT of shut-ins with zero social skills who subconsciously seek scenarios where the power imbalance works in their favor. I don't think these are people who are legitimately attracted to young girls, I think these are people who are terrified that if they try and talk to a woman, they'll get laughed at for one reason or another.
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What, as opposed to all those pedophiles with a healthy attitude toward the opposite sex? It's really not something you get a free pass on with the right psychoanalytical motivations.
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Lottery of Babylon posted:Speaking of 40k, and of mixing up nerd bullshit with real literature... I think something in my brain just shorted out reading this. If Orwell was still around he'd probably skip trying to write something in response to this and just go straight to shooting them in the face.
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Cornwind Evil posted:Honestly, I don't think there's a lot of pedophiles on TV Tropes. I think there's a lot and lot and LOT of shut-ins with zero social skills who subconsciously seek scenarios where the power imbalance works in their favor. I don't think these are people who are legitimately attracted to young girls, I think these are people who are terrified that if they try and talk to a woman, they'll get laughed at for one reason or another. Some of them, at least, have probably convinced themselves they like that kind of thing, or other fetishes in the same area, because of the media they consume saying "this is sexy", so their developing minds kind of get hosed up from it.
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Cornwind Evil posted:Honestly, I don't think there's a lot of pedophiles on TV Tropes. I think there's a lot and lot and LOT of shut-ins with zero social skills who subconsciously seek scenarios where the power imbalance works in their favor. I don't think these are people who are legitimately attracted to young girls, I think these are people who are terrified that if they try and talk to a woman, they'll get laughed at for one reason or another. the power-imbalance is exactly the reason many pedophiles molest children
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Cornwind Evil posted:Honestly, I don't think there's a lot of pedophiles on TV Tropes. I think there's a lot and lot and LOT of shut-ins with zero social skills who subconsciously seek scenarios where the power imbalance works in their favor. I don't think these are people who are legitimately attracted to young girls, I think these are people who are terrified that if they try and talk to a woman, they'll get laughed at for one reason or another. I used to think that most of the people on TVT were super socially awkward teenagers who didn't really understand things like "personal boundaries" or "this is socially acceptable" because that's how I was when read TV Tropes (I was also 14 at the time). Not anymore. At this point, I'm pretty sure that almost all of them are like 30 years old and have some serious social development problems. For instance, not understanding things like respecting personal boundaries and other acceptable social behaviors.
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Part of me wishes you could put up a big sign on the site (and especially the forums) saying to kids [Warning, opinions expressed here are weird and insane, try going outside and interacting with real people instead] because I dread to think how many terrible people there are on the site. and how their awful opinions might effect kids who do not know any better. It's like with BobbyG, he probably ended up leaving because he realised "hang on, these guys are serious and mentally disturbed" and then ran for the hills.
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corn in the bible posted:the power-imbalance is exactly the reason many pedophiles molest children Yes, but it's part of a wider mental issue in which their brains are tragically broken and they are legitimately attracted to children. Adults who harm children solely due to the power imbalance are not pedophiles, they're child molesters (IIRC, there IS a subtle difference). A pedophile is at least due some pity in that their brains are broken and they are driven by the urges the broken brain has, sort of like how you would give a LITTLE slack to an un-medicated schizophrenic who attacked someone because the voices in their head told them to. A child molester is a sadist seeking the weakest possible prey, which makes them the lowest form of life and deserves nothing more than a bullet in the back of the head. My point being, I'm fairly sure if you offered the entirety of the site a magic button that said 'Press this and you can do things with a child without fear of arrest, judgment, or harm coming to the child', I really think 99 percent of the site would either not press it, or press it and discover it wasn't really what I wanted. Then again, I mainly think this because the other option (they're a bunch of pedophiles and clueless pedophile enablers) is just too drat appalling to contemplate. ESPECIALLY the clueless part. Cornwind Evil fucked around with this message at 00:00 on Sep 16, 2014 |
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Cornwind Evil posted:Yes, but it's part of a wider mental issue in which their brains are tragically broken and they are legitimately attracted to children. Adults who harm children solely due to the power imbalance are not pedophiles, they're child molesters (IIRC, there IS a subtle difference). A pedophile is at least due some pity in that their brains are broken and they are driven by the urges the broken brain has, sort of like how you would give a LITTLE slack to an un-medicated schizophrenic who attacked someone because the voices in their head told them to. A child molester is a sadist seeking the weakest possible prey, which makes them the lowest form of life and deserves nothing more than a bullet in the back of the head. It's relevant to note that people who claim they're "ephebophiles" etc are basically saying flat out "I am attracted to normally developed adults, but am choosing to prey on the earliest people can look like that". They're openly admitting they seek to be a sexual predator despite being able to have normal relationships.
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WickedHate posted:Some of them, at least, have probably convinced themselves they like that kind of thing, or other fetishes in the same area, because of the media they consume saying "this is sexy", so their developing minds kind of get hosed up from it. There was a quote earlier that was pretty much this. Except the media in question wasn't actually saying "this is sexy", it's just that the person in question was completely unable to view any event in an average TV show plot without fetishizing it in some way.
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Nintendo Kid posted:It's relevant to note that people who claim they're "ephebophiles" etc are basically saying flat out "I am attracted to normally developed adults, but am choosing to prey on the earliest people can look like that". They're openly admitting they seek to be a sexual predator despite being able to have normal relationships. Honestly, the difference between various age groups of minors is so blurry that attempting to compartmentalize perverts attracted to one age bracket or another is not only skeevy, but futile.
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LaughMyselfTo posted:Honestly, the difference between various age groups of minors is so blurry that attempting to compartmentalize perverts attracted to one age bracket or another is not only skeevy, but futile. No it's really simple, ephebophilia means you're choosing to go after people who've already been through puberty but aren't of normal adult age yet i.e. high school and (late) middle school. Like that's all it means, it means you're a creeper who intentionally targets people that look like adults but can still be impressed by having a car or something. It's essentially self-identifying as wanting to be a rapist.
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The Cheshire Cat posted:There was a quote earlier that was pretty much this. Except the media in question wasn't actually saying "this is sexy", it's just that the person in question was completely unable to view any event in an average TV show plot without fetishizing it in some way. Well, there are those who started watching a lot of anime and stuff like that when they were young, and watched fanservicy stuff that kind of molded them in that direction because they didn't know better beforehand. It can really gently caress people up in some cases, and TV Tropes really makes the problem worse.
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Nintendo Kid posted:No it's really simple, ephebophilia means you're choosing to go after people who've already been through puberty but aren't of normal adult age yet i.e. high school and (late) middle school. Like that's all it means, it means you're a creeper who intentionally targets people that look like adults but can still be impressed by having a car or something. It says a lot that my browser constantly tells me that ephebophile and ephebophilia aren't words, and my phone autocorrects them to pedophile/pedophilia. It really is the skeeviest thing though, just because you dress it up in a fancy word doesn't make it any less creepy.  "I'm not a pedophile, I'm an EPHEBOPHILE." "So you're admitting that you are sexually attracted to minors? How the gently caress does a new word make it better, you still want to gently caress someone who isn't mentally mature enough to consider the consequences" "Well you see, it's better because <insert  ,  and filled rant here>" These people
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I wish something big would happen on the site. It's been too long since the last major meltdown, and the pedophile purge had some great artwork come from it.
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TV Tropes: Academic Resource.http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/StreetFighterII posted:
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JosephWongKS posted:TV Tropes: Academic Resource.
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Van Kraken posted:TvTropes delenda est. Was going to post that, freaked out seeing it was already there.
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JosephWongKS posted:She's got legs Why yes, most people do have legs. Really though why the gently caress are any of those things even tropes at all? Literally none of those things can even remotely be called tropes or storyline conventions, they're just a laundry list of things tropers masturbate to about the characters.
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Hammurabi posted:Why yes, most people do have legs. I'm sorry, but the seven league boots element of fairy tales would've been a whole lot more believable if "she's got legs" had been a trope back then.
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Hammurabi posted:Why yes, most people do have legs. Ummm, so when you write your malformed abortion of a piece of fanfiction, you can at least say you had used all those tropes?
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