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Tim Pawlenty posted:It's brutal...after the last run you'd think people would remember him from his ad campaign. When I see this ad I think more about Michael Bay than Tim Pawlenty.
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TARDISman posted:Honestly I forgot he was governor of MN and I live there. He's just a forgettable dude who blends into the background. We should use Pawlenty for spying on people no one would ever remember he was in places.
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Sep 16, 2014 10:18
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CJSwiss posted:When I see this ad I think more about Michael Bay than Tim Pawlenty. Seriously was that a shot of Paris from Armageddon?
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Sep 16, 2014 10:41
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Speaking of Minnesota, I have it on good authority that Klobuchar will run if Hillary does not. If Hillary does, she's definitely going to run in 2020 or 2024. Basically there's no escaping it. I know little about her. Is she noteworthy at all?
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Sep 16, 2014 14:36
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De Nomolos posted:Speaking of Minnesota, I have it on good authority that Klobuchar will run if Hillary does not. If Hillary does, she's definitely going to run in 2020 or 2024. Basically there's no escaping it. I remember in 2006 she had the personality of a bag of wet sand. I dunno if she's gotten better in the last decade though.
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Sep 16, 2014 14:52
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I have to imagine Warren runs if for whatever impossible reason Hillary doesn't. At least I hope so.
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Sep 16, 2014 17:21
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My grandfather has asked me twice now if Pawlenty is running in 2016. He's got at least one fan, apparently! My grandpa is like Arkane, I guess 
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Sep 16, 2014 17:24
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FlamingLiberal posted:I have to imagine Warren runs if for whatever impossible reason Hillary doesn't. At least I hope so. I get a feeling that Hillary is most likely going to run assuming her health doesn't poo poo out. For better or for worse she's getting up in her years and starting to have issues. Either way Warren gets my vote by default if she's anywhere on the ticket. I think she'd make a real good president. Assuming, of course, the GOP doesn't continue to decimate the country out of spite if she gets it.
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Sep 16, 2014 17:53
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De Nomolos posted:Speaking of Minnesota, I have it on good authority that Klobuchar will run if Hillary does not. If Hillary does, she's definitely going to run in 2020 or 2024. Basically there's no escaping it. She is a loving terrible human being who regularly screams at her staff, leading to the average job expectancy of Klobuchar counsel being around 6 months. Seriously just a horrible person in private. She masks it well though which is why MN loves her.
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Sep 16, 2014 18:01
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Kalman posted:She is a loving terrible human being who regularly screams at her staff, leading to the average job expectancy of Klobuchar counsel being around 6 months. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/22/who-are-the-best-and-worst-bosses-on-capitol-hill/?page=all edit: to finish my thought, just looking at scrollbar Kloubuchar looks to be like ~90th percentile in terms of being the worst. pangstrom fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Sep 16, 2014 |
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Sep 16, 2014 19:15
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DACK FAYDEN posted:My grandfather has asked me twice now if Pawlenty is running in 2016. He's got at least one fan, apparently! My grandpa is like Arkane, I guess I can only hope that every time gramps brings it up you pretend you don't know who he is
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Sep 16, 2014 19:17
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andrew smash posted:I can only hope that every time gramps brings it up you pretend you don't know who he is GOOGLE TIMPAWLENTY
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Sep 16, 2014 19:18
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pangstrom posted:Staff turnover is actually a pretty good first-pass metric for this kind of thing I think (just because I would expect Bachmann and Jackson Lee to be near top of "bad boss" list and sure enough they are both in top 3):
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Sep 16, 2014 19:25
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ToxicSlurpee posted:I get a feeling that Hillary is most likely going to run assuming her health doesn't poo poo out. For better or for worse she's getting up in her years and starting to have issues. Either way Warren gets my vote by default if she's anywhere on the ticket. I think she'd make a real good president. Assuming, of course, the GOP doesn't continue to decimate the country out of spite if she gets it. They will.
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Sep 16, 2014 19:37
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There does seem to be a gender correlation... top 4 are women, and on the bottom of the list you have to go up ~30 before you get to Rep. Diane Watson. No idea why--other than for 2 years I've only had female bosses so I'm not the guy to ask--but let's not shoot the messenger. Maybe a lot of it is dudes who can't stand working for a woman, I don't know.
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Sep 16, 2014 19:42
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Ninjasaurus posted:They will. They will do their best to destroy the country out of spite unless they win the election, period. We've already established the government shutdown as a viable threat in the GOP's playbook. Threatening it over immigration reform may be what lead to Obama postponing dealing with the issue.
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Cythereal posted:They will do their best to destroy the country out of spite unless they win the election, period. At which point they return to doing their best to destroy the county out of greed.
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Sep 16, 2014 20:01
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De Nomolos posted:Speaking of Minnesota, I have it on good authority that Klobuchar will run if Hillary does not. You really mean if Hillary gets hit by a bus, because Hillary is straight up running for President right now, few people have launched earlier campaigns and none as massive as Hillary 2016 already is.
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Sep 16, 2014 20:11
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You still want to play all four quarters of the game just in case. Lots of stuff can happen to Hillary besides getting hit by a bus, she's a 66 year old woman. If Hillary is incapacitated the Dem field is almost as weak as the GOP. Biden would get the nod, which both thrills and terrifies me.
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Sep 16, 2014 20:14
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You heard it here first, SedanChair confirmed for Tanya Harding to Hillary's Kerrigan in 2016.
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Sep 16, 2014 20:17
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SedanChair posted:You still want to play all four quarters of the game just in case. Lots of stuff can happen to Hillary besides getting hit by a bus, she's a 66 year old woman. Is it really a given that Biden (always a bridesmaid) will be the nominee if Hillary isn't? Also, is Biden truly as awesome as D&D says he is, or would he basically be the same as Obama/Hillary in the Oval Office?
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Sep 16, 2014 20:19
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Ninjasaurus posted:Is it really a given that Biden (always a bridesmaid) will be the nominee if Hillary isn't? Biden is a longshot under the best of circumstances. He's a really bad candidate on his own. He's tried running for President multiple times in the last 30 years and has rarely polled above the sampling error. So if Hillary ultimately doesn't run, Biden will likely flame out again as her alternative.
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Sep 16, 2014 20:32
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Ninjasaurus posted:Also, is Biden truly as awesome as D&D says he is, or would he basically be the same as Obama/Hillary in the Oval Office? The Harkin quote is telling in that in spite of being ostensibly a polite nicety to Biden is premised on the fact that the Vice President would have no chance running against Hillary.
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Sep 16, 2014 20:32
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What about Gore? The idea of him running again is actually somewhat exciting to me, as far as mainstreamish candidates go. I know it would be bad for him to upset the Clinton camp, but I just can't help thinking that a Draft Gore campaign could seriously work. He would start out way, way ahead of the Biden/Sanders/Warren camps, and could potentially be very materially different from a Clinton presidency.
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Sep 16, 2014 23:54
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imafknninja posted:What about Gore? The idea of him running again is actually somewhat exciting to me, as far as mainstreamish candidates go. I know it would be bad for him to upset the Clinton camp, but I just can't help thinking that a Draft Gore campaign could seriously work. He would start out way, way ahead of the Biden/Sanders/Warren camps, and could potentially be very materially different from a Clinton presidency. Gore vs. (Jeb) Bush, Part II: This Time It's Personal
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Sep 16, 2014 23:59
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What is wrong with you people? Gore? Hillary is bad enough but I can at least understand a defeated sort of acceptance of her. We don't need to drag another loser back from the pasture.
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ReidRansom posted:What is wrong with you people? Gore? Hillary is bad enough but I can at least understand a defeated sort of acceptance of her. We don't need to drag another loser back from the pasture. Well he did win the popular vote.
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Sep 17, 2014 00:09
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hobbesmaster posted:Well he did win the popular vote. Popular vote means nothing. You have to win the electoral vote to win Presidency. Popular vote merely aids toward that end.
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Sep 17, 2014 00:10
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SedanChair posted:You still want to play all four quarters of the game just in case. Lots of stuff can happen to Hillary besides getting hit by a bus, she's a 66 year old woman. Rich 66 year old women aren't exactly looking over their shoulder for the Grim Reaper. It could possibly turn out that the Right Wing conspiracy theories about her brain after her fainting and hitting her head a few years ago are true. Other than that though, 66 and rich is pretty looks pretty good on the medical chart. imafknninja posted:What about Gore? The idea of him running again is actually somewhat exciting to me, as far as mainstreamish candidates go. I know it would be bad for him to upset the Clinton camp, but I just can't help thinking that a Draft Gore campaign could seriously work. He would start out way, way ahead of the Biden/Sanders/Warren camps, and could potentially be very materially different from a Clinton presidency. Gore doesn't seem to want to be President. If he did he had several chances to jump in and likely take the nomination. He seems pretty happy talking about the environment and making bank selling media to Al Jazzera.
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Sep 17, 2014 00:11
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Without Clinton it would go to Warren.
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Yeah if Gore wanted to be President he would have stayed in the public eye like Clinton did, instead he's basically done nothing public since the movie. Trabisnikof posted:Without Clinton it would go to Warren. Or Biden or Cuomo or Booker if he suddenly becomes ten times more charismatic (ie, Obama-level). Shear Modulus fucked around with this message at 00:18 on Sep 17, 2014 |
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poo poo. I was going to reply to someone and now I can't even remember what it was about. That is because, I went to Wikipedia and saw this: "Biden" redirects here. For the surname, see Biden family. For the dwarf planet, see 2012 VP113. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden
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Sep 17, 2014 00:14
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My Imaginary GF posted:Popular vote means nothing. You have to win the electoral vote to win Presidency. Popular vote merely aids toward that end. Abolish the electoral college. Then abolish the system of states, instead all major metropolitan areas become new governing entities with largest municipal government the Capital of said metro area. Every 30,000 residents in a metro area is awarded a Congressional rep. The Senate is abolished. All other residents outside metropolitan areas are now under Federal Territorial Governance.
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Sep 17, 2014 00:21
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Trabisnikof posted:Without Clinton it would go to Warren.
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Berke Negri posted:Abolish the electoral college. Free puppies or kittens for everyone.
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Berke Negri posted:Abolish the electoral college. Alternative to abolishion within current framework: create regional partnerships that govern regions as a level inbetween state and federal.
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DynamicSloth posted:Without Clinton it would be free for all and many people who are quietly sitting out would jump in, but those people are sitting out and staying quiet because Hillary has already decided to run in 2016 and has in fact already started running. There is really no point in speculating about the vanishingly small prospect of a 2016 primary without Clinton in the race. Yes, at this point any discussion of a contested Democratic primary is predicated on the remote chance that Clinton has a stroke or it comes out she's been cheating on Bill within the next year and a half. Berke Negri posted:Abolish the electoral college. Also, abolish postseason play in baseball and have games all year.
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What happens if she has a health problem after winning the nomination but before picking a VP?
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Ganon posted:What happens if she has a health problem after winning the nomination but before picking a VP? If she can't continue as a candidate, the party nominates someone else. Having a new convention would be difficult, so it would probably be state party chairmen in a classic smoke-filled room.
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Honestly the least edit sized change to elections that could stop the two-party system would be to abolish the electoral college and make the senate PR. A PR senate with a 5% floor would have 5-6 parties at least in the US right now. Ganon posted:What happens if she has a health problem after winning the nomination but before picking a VP? The right-wing rumor mill has already started condemning her "health problems" so you won't have to wait too long.
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