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1gnoirents posted:Lol you win. I just put in a bootable usb stick, my only one here somehow, and the usb port was damaged and shorted causing pops and turned off the computer and destroyed the usb drive. Good day so far Sounds fun. I'd love a job like that. If you ever want to trade you can take over my checkout.
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I guess I'm one of the few people that has had more issues with Nvidia than with AMD. I have never had any AMD driver issues or compatibility problems. Meanwhile I tried for 6 months trying to get Nvidia surround to work on my 690 before throwing in the towel and just buying a 7970 to replace it. As to the 290s, I think the reason I never had any issues is that I immediately put the 290x bios on all the cards which apparently prevented any of the voltage issues that the 290 bios had. Odds are I'll still probably end up buying a 980 just to go back to single card usage due to xfire and sli both being a pain in the rear end more often than they are useful.
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veedubfreak posted:I guess I'm one of the few people that has had more issues with Nvidia than with AMD. I have never had any AMD driver issues or compatibility problems. Meanwhile I tried for 6 months trying to get Nvidia surround to work on my 690 before throwing in the towel and just buying a 7970 to replace it. Yeah, in my case going to the 290x bios didn't help me (on my reference card). So even if I still had that card, it being unlockable would basically be irrelevant since the bios was unstable anyway. This was my first foray into AMD gpu's and it will probably be my last (it seemed to be the best solution for 1440p gaming at the time). It'll definitely be my last time I break my rule about early adopting (I usually wait six months or more on any new releases for kinks to be ironed out). The shame is that the card is solid now (if warm, I may apply my own TIM to it, if not replace the cooler with a Gelid Icy Vision I used on my reference) but I wouldn't wish the  to get to this point on anybody.td4guy posted:I hope you've shared that BIOS file somewhere so that others can have a solution to their blackscreening issues too. I wanted to make sure it was stable before I did, but most definitely. Though I'm not sure how anybody would find it. The funny part is that the only difference between the reference, Turboduo and the PCS+ are the coolers. Though Powercolor are changing the PCB soon (with the speculation due to cutting costs). Far less caps on the revision, that's for sure. https://translate.google.com/transl...4741&edit-text=
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So comparing those specs to the 750 Ti > 2.6x the number of cores > About 18% faster Boost clock rate > Double memory interface width and About 30% higher memory clock rate, which means 2.6x the memory bandwidth (or 224.3GB/s) 1.18 * 2.6 = 3.068x the core performance of the 750 Ti 2.6x the memory bandwidth of the 750 Ti, which is the same as the 770 but significantly less than the 780Ti Twice the RAM (4GB vs 2GB) The 780 Ti has about 2.5x - 3x the performance as the 750Ti, so my guess is we are looking at a card that edges out the 780 Ti at lower memory intensive resolutions like 1080P and likely even 1440P, but starts losing at higher resolutions/anti-aliasing due to the lower bandwidth compared to the 780 Ti.
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Meta Ridley posted:So comparing those specs to the 750 Ti So wait, the 900's will be worse than the 780ti? What the hell?
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Knifegrab posted:So wait, the 900's will be worse than the 780ti? What the hell? We knew this, this isn't news. There's no die shrink and Maxwell is an architecture focused primarily on performance per watt. The >$400 part of the GPU market is such a tiny amount, if they're able to bring more performance into the $200-400 space it's going to be a good lineup for nVidia. I'm sure at some point they will do a really fast 980 Ti or Titan Obsidian based on the architecture for people who want something faster than 780 Ti.
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I don't think comparing specs in that way is entirely relatable. Saying a 780ti is 3 times more powerful than a 750ti doesn't make a lot of sense for instance. That's like saying a 150hp car is three times more powerful than a 50hp car. When the requirements are low, like driving around the city, the 50hp car will do pretty much fine. But once you're on the highway the 50hp car simply won't work, its not just 1/3 as effective. I think the 980 is expected to be as good as a 780ti. I think there is a notion that a 780 is basically a 780ti going around though. I think the big question to me is how much the 980 is going to cost
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Star War Sex Parrot posted:I was ready to throw down for GTX 980 until GTA V got delayed until 2015. Looks like you just got jiggled, mate.
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I want to know what "Gaming 4G" means. Is this the fourth generation of something?
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It may be marketing bullshit for the 4gb of VRAM but it's definitely weird to put it on the box like it's a cell phone data service.
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Shouldn't we be seeing a 20nm die shrink of Maxwell at some point in the next year? As I recall, nVidia wanted this launch to be 20nm but the foundries weren't there yet.
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How does the GTX 680 stack up to the new offering? Based on other responses it looks like there's an advantage to the 970, but it's not particularly huge.
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http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-geforce-gtx-970-pictured-glory/pre:GeForce GTX 970 GeForce GTX 980 Codename GM204 GM204 Process 28nm 28nm GPU Core Maxwell Maxwell SM Units 13 x 128 16 x 128 CUDA Cores 1664 2048 ROPS TBC 64 TMUs TBC 128 Core Clock 1051 MHz 1126 MHz Boost Clock 1178 MHz 1216 MHz Memory 4 GB GDDR5 4 GB GDDR5 Memory Bus 256-bit 256-bit Memory Clock 7.0 GHz 7.0 GHz Memory Bandwidth 224.5 GB/s 224.5 GB/s TDP 148W 175W Power Connectors 6+6 Pin 6+6 Pin DirectX 12 Support Yes Yes Launch 18th September 2014 18th September 2014 Price $329 and $349(Variants) $549
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td4guy posted:I want to know what "Gaming 4G" means. Is this the fourth generation of something? The 3gb boxes say the same thing, Gaming 3G. Kind of weird but yeah its the ram
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Rastor posted:http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-geforce-gtx-970-pictured-glory/ $550 is alright/fine... $600 would have been pushing it. The 970 pricing is nicer. I think original 770 pricing was actually $400 and it just worked its way down to $330 over time, starting at $330 is cool.
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How long is it before various OEMs start shipping optimized/OC'd cards? I've got about 60 days left on my EVGA step-up from a 3GB 780GTX that has been perfectly so far.
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Rotation Confusion posted:How long is it before various OEMs start shipping optimized/OC'd cards? I've got about 60 days left on my EVGA step-up from a 3GB 780GTX that has been perfectly so far. Well the one's pictured above are MSI so I'm guessing tomorrow. Pimpmust posted:So what exactly is the point of skipping the 8xx numbering and still not have a die-shrink ready for the 9xx maxwell cards? While also having a 7xx-series maxwell card, goddamnit nvidia They used 800 for mobile for some reason so they are normalizing nomenclature with the 900's. As far as the point of not having die shrink ready I'm sure its because its hard to do
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Rastor posted:http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-geforce-gtx-970-pictured-glory/ That article is bullshit. They're citing that same Videocardz.com article that has been confirmed false through multiple sources. Wccftech also has a history of reporting every single rumor as fact. craig588 fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Sep 17, 2014 |
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Rastor posted:http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-geforce-gtx-970-pictured-glory/ So going by these stats I have to wait for whatever AMD brings out next or the Nvidia 1k to actually get an improvement. Same rops as the 290x: check. Same amount of memory: check. Slower memory throughput that sucks at super high res: check. Able to jam into even the most mediocre machines with a tiny power supply: check. If these are true numbers, this card might actually have issues keeping up with the 780ti. Will be interesting to see what it actually does.
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1gnoirents posted:drat you think someone would take a picture of like the back of the box If it's anything like the back of the 290x box I have next to me it, only lists ram and what direct X version it runs, not the detailed tech specs.
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veedubfreak posted:So going by these stats I have to wait for whatever AMD brings out next or the Nvidia 1k to actually get an improvement. Same rops as the 290x: check. Same amount of memory: check. Slower memory throughput that sucks at super high res: check. Able to jam into even the most mediocre machines with a tiny power supply: check. If specs are true, 970 should be on-par with a 780 Ti. 980 will be about +25% over the 970, but it also looks to be handicapped at high-resolutions with the same 256-bit bus (probably to make room for their $1K card that has a 384 or 512-bit bus). I really doubt the prices are true though, but if they are then the 970 is a loving awesome deal and the best price/performance card we have seen out of nvidia in years.
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veedubfreak posted:So going by these stats I have to wait for whatever AMD brings out next or the Nvidia 1k to actually get an improvement. Same rops as the 290x: check. Same amount of memory: check. Slower memory throughput that sucks at super high res: check. Able to jam into even the most mediocre machines with a tiny power supply: check.
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td4guy posted:I want to know what "Gaming 4G" means. Is this the fourth generation of something? Probably meant to insert "4K Gaming" into buyers' minds? Because 4K monitors are hitting the market in a big way. Standard price for 28" 60hz is about $600 and on sale I've seen them bundled with a 240GB Samsung EVO ssd for the same price. From what I remember you'd need to SLI two pretty high-end cards to even have a chance at 4K gameplay though.
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Paul MaudDib posted:Probably meant to insert "4K Gaming" into buyers' minds? That isn't going to change this generation, 4k is a huge jump in pixels from 1080p. Also its just bad english or something http://www.msi.com/product/vga/gtx_780ti_gaming_3g.html#hero-overview
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I'm not commenting on the rumors. We'll find out soon enough. But I will say, all this talk about a gimpy memory bus... Did everyone just forget the Radeon R9-285 and its 256-bit bus beating out the R9-280's 384-bit bus? Memory compression is not a new trick, nor is it AMD-exclusive. Note the consistency that we'll be seeing GM204. The 750 Ti is GM107, not GM207. Memory compression is a perfect fit for an efficiency-minded GPU.
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I've mentioned my feelings on memory before here but I was going to hold my tongue a bit too. Bit-width (?) is a very good indication of memory performance within the same generation but not so much between them. Of course it might turn out to be the new bottleneck, when this generation and the 600 series it very rarely was. But for example there were mid level 384 bit 500 series cards that all dropped to 256 bit. I believe the only literal thing it shows is how many physical memory chips there are.
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This card is the new GTX680/770- It's not a huge monster like GK110 780(ti)s are. While it might optimistically match a 780ti in most things (You can roughly guess from those leaked tlfops numbers), it would be extremely surprising if it significantly exceeded it.
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If all that's true, I'm starting to reconsider that GTX 760. That seems like quite a jump for a $100 or so difference. 
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Well, for what it's worth, "when new video cards are about to come out" is a pretty good time to hold off purchasing so you can get some information as to what additional performance or features you're after, specifically. Especially with a new generation rather than a modest adjustment or pushing a higher end SKUs' less desirable chips into a consumer product, as was the case with the whole Kepler generation. We are also only just barely getting an idea of what the consoles will actually mean for the future, so a backwards-looking purchase is kind of a mistake right now, in my opinion. With F^2, by the way, waiting on details - does look quite promising, though, that's one hell of a power target reduction compared to the last generation (which was already remarkable for its efficiency).
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everythingWasBees posted:If all that's true, I'm starting to reconsider that GTX 760. That seems like quite a jump for a $100 or so difference. If you're after performance / $, AMD has got that market locked up right now. The 280X, which performs very closely to a GTX770 is in the $240 range all day long. Hopefully this Maxwell launch will bring things back in line, I don't think AMD even has to make anything much cheaper to keep it competitive.
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Twerk from Home posted:If you're after performance / $, AMD has got that market locked up right now. The 280X, which performs very closely to a GTX770 is in the $240 range all day long. Hopefully this Maxwell launch will bring things back in line, I don't think AMD even has to make anything much cheaper to keep it competitive. Yeah that was their preemptive price drop to stay competitive. They are good numbers all around.
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It is normal for new cards to have such a small window between official announcement and release? Wouldn't they want to give people some time to plan ahead for what is usually a pretty big expenditure?
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Senjuro posted:It is normal for new cards to have such a small window between official announcement and release? Wouldn't they want to give people some time to plan ahead for what is usually a pretty big expenditure? I might be talking out of my rear end but I feel like the vast majority of GPU buyers aren't planning their upgrade cycles much less analyzing advance specs leaks.
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afkmacro posted:I might be talking out of my rear end but I feel like the vast majority of GPU buyers aren't planning their upgrade cycles much less analyzing advance specs leaks. I feel that's a fair call - plus the amount of people that buy each new card is pretty staggering (normally sold out extremely quickly, at least in Aus). This launch has got me pretty excited, especially if the 970 is about the same as a 290/780 for similar prices to a 290 (I.e. $450 here in Aus), especially considering the reduced power draw, heat etc.
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