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Chief Savage Man posted:I know that Jarl Dyre's ships go away after thirty years I think. Dyre the Stranger in Kiev starts with ships?!?
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Dallan Invictus posted:Are the mercenary fleets even in vanilla? I thought they were a CK2+ thing. They're definitely in vanilla, yeah.
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Sep 17, 2014 18:11
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Bort Bortles posted:Dyre the Stranger in Kiev starts with ships?!? Yes. Then you lose them when he dies, so you better take advantage and sack Rome and Venice as much as you can while he lives, while expanding to the sea.
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Sep 17, 2014 18:26
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Bort Bortles posted:Dyre the Stranger in Kiev starts with ships?!? Yeah, they are just hanging out in the river. You have to wait until the Magyars go away to rush to the coast so that you can actually bring home your piles of money.
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Sep 17, 2014 18:32
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Autonomous Monster posted:Yeah. Especially not if your territory is an enclave in theirs. Probably more likely that you'll declare the last guy an antipope. Well I made an antipope after I took Rome. My dumb uncle is now Paulus II, sitting his gonorrhea-ridden rear end right on St. Peter's throne  Not a great year for Catholicism, all in all. EDIT: No uh, the old Holy See has sure seen better days:  "Somewhat surprising" is sure one way to describe that. EDIT2: wait that icon isn't for gonorrhea, it's for... 
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Sep 17, 2014 18:35
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Bort Bortles posted:Do the free ships that Haestein of Nantes starts with ever go away? Apparantly they do. After he died, or perhaps I accidentally disbanded them for some reason. I didn't really pay attention when they were gone. I just noticed they weren't there anymore.
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Sep 17, 2014 19:01
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beedeebee posted:Apparantly they do. After he died, or perhaps I accidentally disbanded them for some reason. I didn't really pay attention when they were gone. I just noticed they weren't there anymore. I know how you feel. I decided to jump on an opportunity to seize Crete when both counties there rebelled in the midst of a Byzantine civil war. I was so excited at my opportunist genius that I didn't notice I had no boats. It hurt to let them go.
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Sep 17, 2014 19:08
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Guildencrantz posted:And wouldn't you know, the very first reply: Haha, I love it. FYI, they're Christian because in the end, it's going to belong to the Byzantines anyway, it's just the difference between 20 de jure claims and 2 holy wars.
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Sep 17, 2014 19:09
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Help! So It's my first time as norse pagan, I managed to snatch up everything belonging to norway, but how should I proceed now? As far as I understood I can declare a subjugation war only ONCE on one leader. Should I declare war against Svibdsomething oder Jylleland? Jylleland will propably kick my rear end because it has like 5000 troops (vs my 2400), apparently it snatched up england completely. Svidbsomethhing has almost the manpower I have, but is allied with Holmsomething which has about 4500 troops. If i declare war against one of the smaller independet counties I will loose my subjugation declaration won't I?
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Sep 17, 2014 19:32
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wilbur.walsh posted:Help! So It's my first time as norse pagan, I managed to snatch up everything belonging to norway, but how should I proceed now? As far as I understood I can declare a subjugation war only ONCE on one leader. Check to see how many counties you still need to form the empire of Scandinavia. Use your subjugation declaration on whichever of those two gets you closer to meeting that goal. Which looks to be svibjod. (Edit: If you can, or need the help get an alliance with Jylleland and bring them into your war on Svibiod.) Once you form the empire, you should be able to declare on the other or even request they become your vassal because they'll be part of your de jure domain. Don't worry too much about the alliance with Holmgardr. They look to be far enough away to not be as big of a threat. Or you could try to assassinate whatever is giving that alliance. (Check wives of the kings and direct children. See who married whom and stab the wife.) TheCIASentMe fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Sep 17, 2014 |
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Sep 17, 2014 19:48
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Or bide your time a little. Norse England usually devolves into a clusterfuck of holy wars and revolts.
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Sep 17, 2014 20:36
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Also, while you're subjugating either Denmark or Svibjod, have your chancellor fabricating claims on the capital of the other and press them when you can. Hopefully Norse MA will be high enough that once you've got those three sites you can reform and switch to a succession law that isn't godawful. If not, go raiding and burn some churches and/or take bites out of Ireland to fix that. While forming Scandinavia should definitely be the long-term plan, don't worry too much about trying to get it done in one lifetime. With the limit on subjugation, the amount of land needed, and how much of a pain in the rear end Finland is to take over between its weird internal borders, Suomenusko defensive bonuses, and the pagan attrition penalties if you're reformed when you do it, you'll probably need another ruler before you get the imperial crown unless Haraldr lives ridiculously long.
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wilbur.walsh posted:As far as I understood I can declare a subjugation war only ONCE on one leader. Yes and no. With the 'Become King of X' ambition, you can declare subjugation wars against everyone inside that kingdom. If you don't have that ambition, or if you're declaring a subjugation on someone not inside that kingdom, you can only do a single one per ruler. In your particular case, I would probably go for Sweden first, while fabricating a claim on the capital of Denmark. You can then use the additional levies from Sweden to take on Denmark and grab that third holy site.
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Sep 17, 2014 20:43
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Corbeau posted:Or bide your time a little. Norse England usually devolves into a clusterfuck of holy wars and revolts. While yes, this will happen to most AIs, the question isn't really on who he CAN declare on but who he SHOULD. Honestly he could probably take both of them since half the troops of Jylleland will be stuck over in England for several months only to be shipped over in batches of 500 because the AI is really dumb like that sometimes. But Svibjob will get him closer to the empire title since they have more counties in that title. Then he can turn around and take Jylleland or at least the holy site so he can reform the faith.
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Sep 17, 2014 20:43
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Chief Savage Man posted:I know that Jarl Dyre's ships go away after thirty years I think.  (Your troops probably just disappear. The screenshot has nothing to do with fleets disappearing, also had it happen in the Aral Sea)
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Sep 17, 2014 20:49
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Man, how many times do I have to butcher the Knights Templar? I'm currently trying to force Britain to bend the knee to Odin, but I'm constantly facing 6k+ stacks of holy orders after my armies are already depleted from fighting their regular troops. 
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Sep 17, 2014 21:57
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Do we have a CK2 modding thread? If not, how should I get started if I'd like to mod a fantasy map of mine (purely for personal pleasure of seeing simulated feudalism in a world I've built)?
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Sep 18, 2014 00:04
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Just bought this on the Gamefly sale, and some of the DLC. Should I start in 867 or 1066 for my first-ever game?
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VostokProgram posted:Just bought this on the Gamefly sale, and some of the DLC. Should I start in 867 or 1066 for my first-ever game? 1066 Ireland is a great start. And here is the gold standard of CK2 tutorials/lets play. A lot has changed, detail wise, from when this LP was made, but it is a great road map to follow along. Try to navigate a bunch of medieval laws and rules is daunting for your first play through. http://lparchive.org/Crusader-Kings-2/
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Sep 18, 2014 00:18
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Captain Beans posted:1066 Ireland is a great start. Thanks for the quick response. Ireland it is!
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wilbur.walsh posted:Help! So It's my first time as norse pagan, I managed to snatch up everything belonging to norway, but how should I proceed now? As far as I understood I can declare a subjugation war only ONCE on one leader. Release some Swedish stuff to get under 40 holdings and declare invasion on which ever Karling owns Frisia. THEN Subjugate either Sweden or Denmark. This route is high risk high payoff because you are painting a target on yourself by taking mainland stuff, but if you can subjugate and consolidate quickly you can never be touched again. Also you can probably immediately reform the faith.
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Sep 18, 2014 01:17
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I've been trying an 867 start as the Byzantines to get the SPQR/Roman Empire achievements. I've been just tunnel-visioning and minding my own business, finally got all the Roman duchies except for Alexandria and Tunis, and I figure "hey I'll zoom out to see how the world looks." Apparently Hungary subjugated Cumania because now Hungary literally stretches from Hungary proper and off the right side of the map.  drat it this is going to be trouble!
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Sep 18, 2014 01:22
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Random idea I had while driving for the apoc USA mod. A cult that arises around the legacy of King Martin, a hero from the past who led his people to freedom and was martyred. Could come up with parallels to Jesus and recast some of MLK's efforts as parables. Holy sites in Atlanta, Memphis, Birmingham, Washington, and Chicago.
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Sep 18, 2014 01:29
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That sounds a little tasteless, but if you're going to do it, make the Black Panthers the religious holy order.
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Sep 18, 2014 01:50
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How is it tasteless? The man was a spiritual leader and his legacy can be found on street signs and park names all over. I don't think it's too wild to imagine post apocalyptic people who lost that history to somehow discover copies of his sermons and speeches that become a kind of scripture and the inspiration for a movement. And the story of his struggles against the provincial governors and leaders of the long dead American empire ending in his martyrdom. Just a suggestion that I think could make for an interesting dynamic in the region.
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Sep 18, 2014 02:03
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I've been (somewhat erratically) enforcing a "no post-WWII references" rule with the mod, as I've been trying to avoid establishing when or what the apocalypse was. Any clues as to what's still historical from the Cold War and what's missing would cause people to try and suss that out on their own.
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That's fair. The potential of MLK as a messianic figure just came to me during an interview where somebody described him as a prophet. Felt like I'd be remiss not to suggest it.
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Ofaloaf posted:I've been (somewhat erratically) enforcing a "no post-WWII references" rule with the mod, as I've been trying to avoid establishing when or what the apocalypse was. Any clues as to what's still historical from the Cold War and what's missing would cause people to try and suss that out on their own. Ah but by inferring nothing after WWII can only mean that America's bombing of Japan had far graver repercussions than in our world. There was no Cold War because it went hot. Interesting development, please excuse me while I go write up a five-hundred page backstory for how this Hot War was executed.
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VostokProgram posted:Thanks for the quick response. Ireland it is! A more up to date series, and not in the terribly outdated format of screenshots, would also be Arumba's tutorial series. He basically goes through every mechanic he can, explaining it all fairly well. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLH-huzMEgGWBBUYoAjpLxFkbgFw19CeA_ I really recommend everyone in here watch it actually. It explains so many things. Dude knows his CK2.
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Sep 18, 2014 03:48
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Another Person posted:A more up to date series, and not in the terribly outdated format of screenshots, would also be Arumba's tutorial series. He basically goes through every mechanic he can, explaining it all fairly well. I've never used arumba for CK2, but his videos were perfect learning EU4 when it was brand new and he's considered to be a better CK2 player. His videos are good.
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Chief Savage Man posted:I know that Jarl Dyre's ships go away after thirty years I think. From a page back, they go away when you die (like Haesteinn's) but if you have troops on the boats when you die you get to keep the boats  This also works to get free, no upkeep boats from your prepared invasion. Just load your troops onto your boat stack before declaring peace and you keep them all. (I assume there have to be some non-PI event generated troops in there because those will still disappear) wilbur.walsh posted:Help! So It's my first time as norse pagan, I managed to snatch up everything belonging to norway, but how should I proceed now? As far as I understood I can declare a subjugation war only ONCE on one leader. If you want to be sneaky, since in this game Jorvik didn't get either of it's other dejure counties before Jylland invaded England, and assuming Whiteshirt hasn't created the Jarldom of Northumberland, you could subjugate Jylland in England (once you think you can take him) and then usurp the jarldom of Jorvik which will shatter his realm into a bunch of counts. As long as the counts are norse/norse they will accept vassalization since you are a king and share borders with them.
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Knuc U Kinte posted:Release some Swedish stuff to get under 40 holdings and declare invasion on which ever Karling owns Frisia. THEN Subjugate either Sweden or Denmark. This route is high risk high payoff because you are painting a target on yourself by taking mainland stuff, but if you can subjugate and consolidate quickly you can never be touched again. Also you can probably immediately reform the faith. This is actually fairly similar to what I like to do whenever I'm doing a Norse game with Haraldr: 1) Subjugate enough of Norway to be one button click away from creating Norway. 2) Create Norway. Immediately declare a prepared Invasion on Frisia, which should be available because the realm is still small enough. 3) Vassalize all the remaining Norwegian chiefs as well as any other independent chiefs bordering Norway. They will usually accept the vassalization in spite of not being De Jure Norway due to having the same culture and your relative difference in power. I know it's gamey as gently caress, but it's usually helped me get enough event troops and levies to take Frisia in one fell swoop, after which subjugating Sweden and reforming the faith is a piece of cake. The only problem with reforming the faith this early is that in order to create Scandinavia you'll need to do the rest of the work through the traditional marriage game/fabricating claims against your fellow Norse faithful. Also, the moment you reform your stacks will start suffering from the Pagan homeland attrition penalty, which means that Holy Warring the Finns is usually going to be a chore (especially since all their neighbors will usually join the Holy War). e: I'm at that point in my Italia game where I'm just doing random stupid poo poo in between expanding my Empire into North Africa. So I decided to Invade the Holy Roman Empire with my vassal Pope's permission and Balkanize it. If you like pretty borders, don't look: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=315297120 Ratpick fucked around with this message at 09:57 on Sep 18, 2014 |
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I think borders like that are fine. It's big Europe spanning blobs with ugly patches all over the map that look bad. For pete's sake, people, tidy up your poo poo before expanding.
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Thx for all the replies. My game is going well to your advice. Right now I am emperor of Scandinavia and king of Norway, Finnland and Sweden, only Danemark has a vassal king. Right now my successor law is Elective for all my Kingdoms. What's the best way to keep my empire united under my lineage? I'd like to change it to Primogeniture, because it would be less of an hastle. Right now I didn't create any dukes because i didn't want to create more electoral titles, I am scared that they wouldn't vote for my sons. wilbur.walsh fucked around with this message at 10:55 on Sep 18, 2014 |
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Sep 18, 2014 10:50
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I just completely destroyed the city of Paris. Goddamn I love that feature.
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Larry Parrish posted:I just completely destroyed the city of Paris. Goddamn I love that feature. How do you actually get that to work, anyway? I don't think I've ever seen it happen except to holdings that are still under construction. Do you need to siege down every holding in the province?
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Dallan Invictus posted:Are the mercenary fleets even in vanilla? I thought they were a CK2+ thing. They were CK2+ but they were one of Wiz's favourite things. After all most crusades got to the holy land using mercenery ships. So he added them when he became a dev, I guess.
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Autonomous Monster posted:How do you actually get that to work, anyway? I don't think I've ever seen it happen except to holdings that are still under construction. You can randomly destroy a sub-holding when raiding.(I've only seen it happen to churches and cities, never castles). The chance of it happening seems pretty low, though. I've only had it happen like 5 or 6 times.
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Broken Cog posted:You can randomly destroy a sub-holding when raiding.(I've only seen it happen to churches and cities, never castles). The chance of it happening seems pretty low, though. I've only had it happen like 5 or 6 times. I think the way it works is, a successful siege during a raid will destroy a random building in a holding. If there are no buildings to be destroyed, the entire holding is instead.
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What, an entire build chain or just one building level? Because. We're talking dozens upon dozens of raids just to kill a single holding here. e: The Witch-King posted:We're aware of some issues with the South Slavic religion setup as shown in the screenshots and improvements will be made to it before release (yes, this means more Pagans). Looks like the south Slavs will be pagan for Big Chuck. KOGAHAZAN!! fucked around with this message at 13:33 on Sep 18, 2014 |
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