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I hate editorials like this. They always have to mention an old gem of wisdom passed down and also alludes to China's 5000 yo history. It's so formulaic like somebody taught a specific way to execute essays and now everyone has to put a proverb in there and reference 5000 years. It's like a Bill Simmons article mentioning 90210, Larry Bird and Tom Brady.
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Chickenwalker posted:Hi guys just dropping by to remind you China sucks.
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Sep 17, 2014 20:00
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Berke Negri posted:Where is the respect for Egypt's 5000 year old literary tradition? In the British museum, well-studied and respected. Story of Sinuhe in the house
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Sep 17, 2014 20:10
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JaucheCharly posted:How did Bloodnose put it? Orc Warboss-land. I will never be able to get that out of my head. I feel like China would be improved by going back to the Warring States period. More exciting, in any case
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Sep 17, 2014 20:17
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icantfindaname posted:I feel like China would be improved by going back to the Warring States period. More exciting, in any case Interesting*
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Sep 17, 2014 20:36
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systran posted:Imagine if America or Europe underwent the industrial and technological revolution in less than fifty years. You can stop imagining, as a place like this exists: it's my country. In China, someone born on a poor farm in Liaoning can go on to own a luxury car in a cosmopolitan metropolis such as Shanghai. Some people say that the American dream is dead, but in fact it lives on. In China. While China has its fair share of problems--and what country doesn't?--this quickly developing country is also ripe with many exciting opportunities for people from all walks of life. Loving what your country has done is the most patriotic action you can take? That's just a bad statement.
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Sep 17, 2014 20:45
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systran posted:Maybe in your country patriotism is not held in high esteem, or maybe it's even seen as a bad thing, but in my language patriotism is "Ai Guo" which simply means "Love of my country," and I think loving what my country has done is the most patriotic action I can take. My country also had some great success with exporting it's patriotism. Much love was felt about how awesome it was and how fast it developed. You probably know how that story ended. See how fast these funny moustaches and the colour brown went out of style.
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Sep 17, 2014 20:58
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JaucheCharly posted:My country also had some great success with exporting it's patriotism. Much love was felt about how awesome it was and how fast it developed. You probably know how that story ended. See how fast these funny moustaches and the colour brown went out of style. WHAT THE gently caress ARE YOU EVEN SAYING, poo poo.
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Sep 17, 2014 21:03
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Chickenwalker posted:WHAT THE gently caress ARE YOU EVEN SAYING, poo poo. I think he was talking about Germany.
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Sep 17, 2014 21:20
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Chickenwalker posted:WHAT THE gently caress ARE YOU EVEN SAYING, poo poo.  Seriously though, I do look around at all the problems the US has and then remember that investment bankers can close lucrative, poor people crushing deals while doing coke off of a high class call girls tits, and I'm reassured that my country is worth being proud of.
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Sep 17, 2014 21:21
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Chickenwalker posted:WHAT THE gently caress ARE YOU EVEN SAYING, poo poo. Didn't see that one coming, funny old chum. Ja?!? 
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Sep 17, 2014 21:23
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Vladimir Putin posted:I think he was talking about Germany. Or pre-WW1 England. Or prewar America. Really, tan fits plenty of nationalistic powers. E: Possibly even Japanese nationalism!
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Sep 17, 2014 21:23
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China could learn a thing or two from Germany about Vergangenheitsbewältigung
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Sep 17, 2014 21:33
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Those countries never made a moustache style go out of fashion, though.
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Sep 17, 2014 22:38
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You nailed the self-congratulatory style probably adopted from propaganda textbooks btw. The twisting everything back to a "we should" statement at the end despite that making no sense for the thesis is every composition you'll ever see. I may also steal it because is technically competent but full of mistakes that Chinese students have been taught to make.
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Sep 18, 2014 01:17
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Arglebargle III posted:You nailed the self-congratulatory style probably adopted from propaganda textbooks btw. The twisting everything back to a "we should" statement at the end despite that making no sense for the thesis is every composition you'll ever see. I may also steal it because is technically competent but full of mistakes that Chinese students have been taught to make. Could you expand more on this? Is it the way Chinese students are taught to write in their native language or in English? Also, anyone have any opinions on the Alibaba IPO? I've seen articles from both sides of the spectrum that it'll be a disaster or a tech miracle.
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Sep 18, 2014 01:26
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Chinese students are rarely taught that it's different when you write in English, so they will use the exact same phrasings that they would use in Chinese. In Chinese research papers or books on academic topics it is totally okay to start a paragraph about Pinyin with: "What is Pinyin and where is it used? Pinyin is a romanization system that is used in mainland China, Singapore, and Malaysia." The term 我国 (my country) will be used to refer to "China" even if the author is not writing in first-person, or maybe they will break into first person randomly at certain times even though 99% of the time there is no first-person frame of reference being used at all. The key thing though is the bullshit "every coin has two sides" type thing. Chinese students are generally taught that they should just present advantages and disadvantages of everything rather than making an argument one way or the other. Despite this, it is pretty implicit that you always bias it toward whatever opinion is commonly accepted as right given your audience. This creates the very grating effect where it feels as if the author is going to great lengths to be balanced, but it's 100% clear which side they are actually taking. Western media suffers from this also at times; for the sake of keeping things "fair and balanced" you will get both sides of an issue being presented, but they will cherry pick it to lead you to their favored conclusion. When this is done in western media it's much more subtle and the intention is masked better. When you see it done in Chinese or in articles translated from Chinese, it is about as obvious as a little kid trying to hide the guilty look on his face when his mouth is covered in chocolate. Here is a good one from a real article on people's daily, I'm sure I could find something better but I literally opened the first opinion piece I could find: http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/n/2014/0911/c98649-8781384.html Example of weird phrasing that doesn't work well in English and self-congratulatory tone: quote:Looking back, what does it mean to a country's education system to respect teachers and provide high quality training to teaching staff? And how do education policies enacted at vital historical moments influence life today? 37 years ago, opponents of the Cultural Revolution forced the resumption of the college entrance examination and set up special education policies. In 1985, China created Teachers' Day, which was a signal that the country had started to consider education as a national strategy and that education had become a link between individual liberation, social transformation and the dream of the nation. Example of bullshit "two sides" poo poo: http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/n/2014/0917/c90780-8783878.html This one posts a bunch of Wikipedia facts and platitudes for several paragraphs, then suddenly ends with an urge to action to end the "petty border disputes," and it's 100% implicit that the ending of the dispute should be done by India keeling over and doing what China wants. quote:As the world's most populous nations, which account for nearly 40 percent of the global population, Beijing and New Delhi are both pursuing the great dream of national renewal, dreams that are interconnected and mutually compatible. angel opportunity fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Sep 18, 2014 |
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Sep 18, 2014 01:45
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New Delhi is probably my favorite nation on earth. After the great nation of Beijing, of course.
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Sep 18, 2014 02:02
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I wish China would set aside it's petty border disputes with Japan and Korea and the Philippines and India, too.
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Sep 18, 2014 02:17
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Bloodnose posted:New Delhi is probably my favorite nation on earth. After the great nation of Beijing, of course. referring to countries by their capital cities irks me to no end for some reason (tehran seeks to contain baghdad! rising tensions between washington and moscow!!!) augustus gluten posted:I wish China would set aside it's petty border disputes with Japan and Korea and the Philippines and India, too. I suggest an impartial "Pretty Borders" committee
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Sep 18, 2014 02:24
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The examples or real stories of people in China (It's a dude on a smartphone drinking tea!) remind me of "vignettes" that I used to read at Christian websites describing converts and how they now lead a happy life since they converted. They were obviously fictional and concocted just to push an agenda. Also the essay provides no real insight into anything if you think about it. Nothing witty, nothing smart, nothing that shows real creativity or particular insight. It's just stuff that the author probably heard someone else say and is now repeating it.
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Sep 18, 2014 02:48
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The article is parody written by cistran you dumbos he says so on this page. 
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Sep 18, 2014 02:58
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lol
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Sep 18, 2014 03:03
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While the Chinese education system may teach a 5,000 year old tradition of written argument, the American system teaches an insufficient quality of reading comprehension. With this said, it is clear that these countries should adopt the superior system.
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Sep 18, 2014 03:19
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MrNemo posted:While the Chinese education system may teach a 5,000 year old tradition of written argument, the American system teaches an insufficient quality of reading comprehension. With this said, it is clear that these countries should adopt the superior system. But....you just said both are insufficient, and have not indicated which system is superior. F- term paper, it almost sounds like you copy/paste parts of it from somewhere else.
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Sep 18, 2014 03:22
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Also just seen linked from the People Daily article linked by cistrans, eat your heart out militarised US policing!
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Sep 18, 2014 03:24
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At least in the US our ridiculously militarized police look badass, and not like 80s throwback day at the airsoft field 
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Sep 18, 2014 03:28
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Do they not have steroids in China?
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Sep 18, 2014 03:31
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Oh come on, our police use way better eye protection than that tacky poo poo when they're And look at that vehicle positioning! You're never going to crush Also not nearly as heavily armed or armored as the actual Ferguson police response 
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Sep 18, 2014 03:32
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hailthefish posted:At least in the US our ridiculously militarized police look badass, and not like 80s throwback day at the airsoft field Yeah, they look like 80's John Woo. Badass.
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Sep 18, 2014 03:46
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Warcabbit posted:Right. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_Fei Han Fei. So is Aesop's Fables 
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Sep 18, 2014 13:31
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Daduzi posted:So is Aesop's Fables That's what he said.
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Sep 18, 2014 13:53
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fart simpson posted:That's what he said. My reading sucks poo poo.
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Sep 18, 2014 14:22
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Wow, I love the Roscoe P. Coltraine hat on the guy on the tank... thing. Who knew China had rednecks. In unrelated chat, I'm very curious how Chinese media is handling the Scottish independence vote. Is it banned/blocked? I can't imagine they like the implications wrt Hong Kong.
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Sep 18, 2014 14:28
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I get the impression it's either ignored or firmly in the 'It would morally abhorrent to comment on the internal issues of another sovereign nation, just as anyone else saying anything about Hong Kong is tantamount to trying to re-subject China to another Century of Shame' and then looking super smug about their genius diplomatic move that gives them +5 VS foreign condemnation.
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Sep 18, 2014 14:35
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It's being covered, I've heard mention of it on CCTV. Also overheard a couple discussing it in Lanzho Lamian just today, If nothing else it is at least explaining the difference between England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and the UK to Chinese people. Personally I'm loving it. As an English person who supports independence, I'm really loving with people's expectations here. Citing George Washington, Ghandi and Zhu Yuanzhang (the Hongwu Emperor, founder of the Ming Dynasty) as examples of historical separatists is all kinds of fun.
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Sep 18, 2014 15:02
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Here's an awesome article: http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/n/2014/0915/c90883-8782464.html Six paragraphs of "the relationship and perceptions on BOTH sides are quite strained," and talking about how both side should work to prevent war. Then the seventh paragraph just goes to town and invalidates everything you already read. quote:Japan inflicted the most painful suffering on the Chinese nation in modern history, a scar that is difficult to forget for China's public. To break the deadlock requires Japan's sincerity and efforts.
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Sep 18, 2014 15:44
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Maybe if the Chinese paid reparations to the Japanese and apologized for being victims of war crimes, there wouldn't be this diplomatic kerfuffle. 
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Sep 18, 2014 16:04
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B-but it's so hard being white! Waaaaaagh!
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systran posted:Here's an awesome article: It starts out pretty good but then goes up the ramp of Japanese blame. Then drops the hammer like a WWF signature move. The last paragraph is awesome. I'm a bad way.
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