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LordSaturn posted:I don't get how cabbage-water with salt and cumin is supposed to make you vomit. Cabbages of yor most likely had a ton more sulfur in them. Only most recently did a lot of the bitterness get bred out of them. So it was basically sulfur water. Puke city.
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Maybe I misread it, but I thought it was supposed to make you fart and poo poo your brains out, which cabbage still does.
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I'm guessing he meant to post that in the military history thread 'cause he just made a bunch of posts on composite bows/ stringing them. Are those Scythians?
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No, it was meant for this thread. I thought you'd like a few scythians on a gold pot. Note the quality of the work. That piece and some other works have been found at Kul Oba, on the Crimea   
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Sweet photos, but rehost those images on imgur or something. SA wants to be a good e-neighbor and so the mods really frown on posting inline images from their original hosting.
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SlothfulCobra posted:I've also heard that the Romans would take in abandoned babies to raise them as slaves. How true is that? Well there was this link a few pages back: http://rbedrosian.com/Sex02/Harris_1994_Child-Exposure_Roman.pdf In short: Kinda, sometimes? Depending on the place and time. Mostly the poor exposing babies they couldn't afford to keep (so even healthy ones), with this choice quoted saying in that document: Everyone, even if he is poor, rears a son, But exposes a daughter, even if he is rich. -Poseidippus And as someone brought up, according to the law it was okay to raise any baby found like that as a slave. The term for it was: threptoi, in other words 'those who having been born free, were exposed, then picked up by someone and brought up in slavery' - Pliny's exchange of letters with Trajan. The rich did it to limit how many of the children had to share the inheritance (not exactly considered "okay" according to that document). Interestingly enough the writers of the time made a point of it being a common thing in Rome/Greece, but not so much amongst Jews/Germans/Egyptians/Scottish Highlanders. Pimpmust fucked around with this message at 20:59 on Sep 14, 2014 |
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Sep 14, 2014 20:48
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Romans would just leave unwanted babies outdoors to die/be eaten by animals, right?
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icantfindaname posted:Romans would just leave unwanted babies outdoors to die/be eaten by animals, right? That's what we're discussing, yes, though slavers sometimes picked them up./
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Sep 15, 2014 15:43
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Or random people (mostly for slavery). Kinda big investment with high risk to spend so many years bringing up a child merely for profit.
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Pimpmust posted:Or random people (mostly for slavery). Much easier to just trail behind some legions and buy up war plundered slaves.
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Valens, Gratian, and Valentinian posted:When slaves, as accusers, thunder forth against their masters, no one shall await the outcome of a trial. It is Our pleasure that no inquiry shall be made, no investigation shall be held, but the authors of the nefarious accusations shall be burned, together with the formal statements of the accusations and all the instruments of written documents and of the premeditated criminal charge. We except charges of the crime of attempted high treason, however, betrayal of which is honourable even for slaves, for this crime is directed against the Emperors Further evidence that life wasn't all roses for slaves, at least in this context. I think there was also a law dating back to the Republic which basically said that testimony from a slave could only be believed if the slave was tortured during questioning.
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Octy posted:Further evidence that life wasn't all roses for slaves, at least in this context. I think there was also a law dating back to the Republic which basically said that testimony from a slave could only be believed if the slave was tortured during questioning. That may be a holdover from Ancient Greece, actually. IIRC it comes up several times in the tragedies of Sophocles.
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Chichevache posted:That may be a holdover from Ancient Greece, actually. IIRC it comes up several times in the tragedies of Sophocles. Yeah, we already mentioned the most famous motherfucking abandoning incident.
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Octy posted:Further evidence that life wasn't all roses for slaves, at least in this context. I think there was also a law dating back to the Republic which basically said that testimony from a slave could only be believed if the slave was tortured during questioning. they said this in the second season of rome when they're torturing the boy who tried to poison atia 
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:Yeah, we already mentioned the most famous motherfucking abandoning incident. My train of thought, "Jeez dude, no need to swear at me for not reading all 250 pages of this...  "
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Chichevache posted:That may be a holdover from Ancient Greece, actually. IIRC it comes up several times in the tragedies of Sophocles. It makes a perverse kind of sense - if you don't torture a slave, he has no reason to testify to the truth as opposed to testify to however his master commands him to. It also provides a kind of excuse for the slave, too; "Sorry master, I would have had no problem lying for you, but, you see, they tortured me..." Plus, if we can't torture our slaves what's the use of even having this fuckin' government, am I right?
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Cato the Elder married one of his slaves later in his life.... so I guess he never gave up on the idea of torturing them, am I right ladies!?! 
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What was the difference between a Quaestor & Procurator? It seems to me they carried out the exact same function.
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Iseeyouseemeseeyou posted:What was the difference between a Quaestor & Procurator? It seems to me they carried out the exact same function. As far as I know, the Quaestor was a lower position more akin to an aide whereas a Procurator acted with autonomy? EDIT: Wikipedia also indicates that the procurator reported to the Emperor but the Quaestor reported to an assigned official such as a Consul, Praetor etc. Paxicon fucked around with this message at 10:46 on Sep 17, 2014 |
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Sep 17, 2014 10:42
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Paxicon posted:As far as I know, the Quaestor was a lower position more akin to an aide whereas a Procurator acted with autonomy? Ah, I read that but completely ignored it. Thanks!
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So I came across this on Tumblr (surprise surprise) earlier and, uh, this doesn't seem right?quote:Ancient Egypt was not a mixed society. I mean not that I think there weren't dark-skinned black people in Egypt but "THEY WERE ALL SUB-SAHARAN DARK UNTIL THE ARABS CAME" is just... what?  I mean gently caress you have those mummy portraits from the Coptic period and going by those Egyptians 1700 years ago (and before the 7th century) looked pretty much exactly like Egyptians now. Plus it just seems absolutely stupid to assume that a Meditteranean culture was homogenous in appearance. Christ they couldn't even be bothered to provide any kind of sources for that; not even more or less discredited fring wingnut sources.
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Suben posted:So I came across this on Tumblr (surprise surprise) earlier and, uh, this doesn't seem right? Egyptians represented themselves as lighter than Nubians and darker than Libyans and Levantines. There is something like 3000 years of Egyptian civilization before the Fayyum portraits were made, so they aren't evidence of how ancient Egyptians looked. There's no evidence that ancient Egyptians had anything to do with Nigeria, the Congo, and Senegal. It's perhaps more racist that they're just labeling all those countries as BLACK countries when there are hundreds of different ethnic groups between them that don't necessarily have much in common with each other, or contemporary African-American culture.
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Race didn't even mean the same thing in the ancient world.
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Suben posted:Christ they couldn't even be bothered to provide any kind of sources for that; not even more or less discredited fring wingnut sources. It's a casual blogging site, course they're gonna be shite with sources, never mind when it's something the archetypal white guilt infested Tumblr worldview will immediately accept without question. And, yeah, it's worse because it throws out what might be an interesting thought if you particularly care about this sort of thing - what happened to the racial makeup of Egypt during/after the Arabic invasions and migrations? - in favour of nuanceless shouting about "PITCHED" BLACK BLACK BLACK. Also lol at 'most advanced civilization of human history'.
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Suben posted:So I came across this on Tumblr (surprise surprise) earlier and, uh, this doesn't seem right? The quote I remember seeing from that particular tumblogger is "I don't care what you think about me, just that you're thinking about me." And yeah, it's pretty silly to assert that pre-Arab Invasion Egypt was homogeneously black - and not just that, but the same kind of black as Nigerian, Congolese, and Senegalese people. Even in pre-Classical antiquity, Egypt was a cosmopolitan nation that extended as far as the Levant in the north and east and Sudan in the south. It's got at least two pre-Ptolemaic dynasties that weren't even ethnically Egyptian (I don't remember which offhand), and after the Ptolemies and, later, Rome showed up, Egypt would have been even more heterogeneous. This is not to say that ethnic Egyptians in antiquity didn't have dark skin - in fact, there's plenty of evidence that they did - but there's nuance there, which Tumblr screamers tend to set aside because nuance doesn't get as much attention as shouting at the top of your lungs that everybody but you is terrible.
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Plus weren't a ton of the mummies redheads?
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Suben posted:So I came across this on Tumblr (surprise surprise) earlier and, uh, this doesn't seem right? I came across this website once which claimed that up until the 1600s or something Europe was ruled by black people. Julius Caesar was black. Attila the Hun was black. Elizabeth I was black. White people eventually rose up, took over and have since whitewashed (heh) history, but that it's only a matter of time before the truth comes out. The site may have been satire, but someone had put an awful lot of effort into it.
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I believe Louis Theroux has an interview with a group of US based 'black supremacists' (for lack of a better term, I think they may have been some extreme sect of the Nation of Islam) that were very much pushing that as a fact. Their evidence was medieval period paintings that depict people with ochre skin tone, basically everyone is a ruddy brown/red and they claimed this was proof they weren't white and were black. I can't remember where the white people even came from so as to re-tone history. They also claimed Jewish people were like robots, so not satire but...
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Yeah we had to read a book in English class written by one of those guys. White people were made by a black mad scientist as pure evil supersoldiers or something.
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Tunicate posted:Yeah we had to read a book in English class written by one of those guys. White people were made by a black mad scientist as pure evil supersoldiers or something. They can't even jump why would they be superior super soldiers? Makes no sense.
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Most of that poo poo is obviously bonkers to anybody, but Black Egypt is particularly annoying since I know a lot of people that are otherwise very rational about these things that get uppity at any suggestion that it might be wrong. I thought there had been genetic tests (since we have, you know, countless preserved Ancient Egyptian bodies) that indicated Egyptians, even back during the Bronze Age, were extremely genetically similar to today?
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Can't find the reference while on my phone, but there was a genetic study a while back that showed the population closest to ancient Egyptians is.... Modern Egyptians. Yea, it wasn't exactly greeted as earthshaking.
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<Ancient culture> was a homegenous group of <pick skin color> is about as silly as saying "All Indians today are <pick skin color>." In general, people with those attitudes don't actually want to acknowledge that the world is a heterogenous mix of people with different backgrounds (genetic, cultural, experiential, etc.). It's far better to just paint the world as "like me" and "evil because not like me." Arguing with people like that is like trying to convince paint to dry faster by yelling at it. Ancient history question that relates to modern politics: what happens to the Stone of Scone if Scotland becomes independent? Would the Queen of England be the Queen of Scotland as well?
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Ynglaur posted:<Ancient culture> was a homegenous group of <pick skin color> is about as silly as saying "All Indians today are <pick skin color>." In general, people with those attitudes don't actually want to acknowledge that the world is a heterogenous mix of people with different backgrounds (genetic, cultural, experiential, etc.). It's far better to just paint the world as "like me" and "evil because not like me." Arguing with people like that is like trying to convince paint to dry faster by yelling at it. Scots want to keep the monarchy. I imagine if they did become a republic, they'd probably give it back. I mean, they couldn't possibly have any more use for it.
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Koramei posted:Most of that poo poo is obviously bonkers to anybody, but Black Egypt is particularly annoying since I know a lot of people that are otherwise very rational about these things that get uppity at any suggestion that it might be wrong. I agree with you totally, but "uppity" is kind of bad in that context.
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MrNemo posted:They also claimed Jewish people were like robots, so not satire but... I mean, more like calculators, sure.
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Tunicate posted:Plus weren't a ton of the mummies redheads? You're thinking of the Xinjiang mummies?
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Tunicate posted:Plus weren't a ton of the mummies redheads? As far as I know, that has to do with pigments breaking down over time.
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