MechWarrior Online: Sisyphus could learn a thing or two

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Number19: May 14, 2003; HOCKEY OWNS
FUCK YEAH

I do agree that it would have had it's uses but there's no way to guarantee that the right weapon will be mounted there without either hardmounting the weapon so it can't be changed, making a new rear torso section with only enough slots for the desired weapon or a way to determine which weapon goes in a specific hardpoint. Without all that, someone would have mounted an LRM20 in that hardpoint and you'd have an Atlas making GBS threads missiles out of it's back.

Actually that'd be pretty funny.

# ? Sep 18, 2014 18:55

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# ? Jun 4, 2024 19:46

Thor-Stryker: Nov 11, 2005

They could have just added a Rear-Facing Camera module (or a loving mirror or something) so you could see behind you to use rear-firing equipment. They could have also allowed knee-guns like in the Viking.

But that would make this game fun.

# ? Sep 18, 2014 18:57

PoptartsNinja: May 9, 2008; He is still almost definitely not a spy; Soiled Meat

The Cicada's got leg-mounted machineguns! They just moved them to the torsos.

When do we get a Yeoman? It fits the MWO Aesthetic!

# ? Sep 18, 2014 19:01

Oxyclean: Sep 23, 2007

Thor-Stryker posted:

They could have just added a Rear-Facing Camera module (or a loving mirror or something) so you could see behind you to use rear-firing equipment. They could have also allowed knee-guns like in the Viking.

Apparently they can't have rear-facing cameras because of engine limitations making it impossible/incredibly hard/resource intensive to render multiple scenes at once. It's the same/similar reason why the zoom module can only blow up the on screen pixels or something.

PoptartsNinja posted:

The Cicada's got leg-mounted machineguns! They just moved them to the torsos.

When do we get a Yeoman? It fits the MWO Aesthetic!

Well according to that page it doesn't show up till 3060. Makes me think of a robot version of a hwacha

# ? Sep 18, 2014 19:07

Number19: May 14, 2003; HOCKEY OWNS
FUCK YEAH

Thor-Stryker posted:

They could have just added a Rear-Facing Camera module (or a loving mirror or something) so you could see behind you to use rear-firing equipment. They could have also allowed knee-guns like in the Viking.

But that would make this game fun.

Leg guns are a whole other problem due to how the legs move. You'd have to have a stable spot on the legs so you could aim properly and it's probably not worth it.

Someone has talked about a rear facing camera before and the problem is rendering two viewports. One is intensive enough right now and adding a second would effectively double the draw calls and really kill performance. There was a post by one of the devs about the number of draw calls the game makes not too long ago and it's a lot more than you'd think.

# ? Sep 18, 2014 19:09

WebDO: Sep 25, 2009

Number19 posted:

Leg guns are a whole other problem due to how the legs move. You'd have to have a stable spot on the legs so you could aim properly and it's probably not worth it.

Someone has talked about a rear facing camera before and the problem is rendering two viewports. One is intensive enough right now and adding a second would effectively double the draw calls and really kill performance. There was a post by one of the devs about the number of draw calls the game makes not too long ago and it's a lot more than you'd think.

Put it at the hips so you don't have to worry about up and down mobility and it would still make sense for them to blow up when the leg goes.

# ? Sep 18, 2014 19:14

Sparq: Feb 10, 2014; If you're using an AC/20, you only need to hit the target once. If the target's still standing, you oughta be somewhere else anyway.

Number19 posted:

Leg guns are a whole other problem due to how the legs move. You'd have to have a stable spot on the legs so you could aim properly and it's probably not worth it.

Someone has talked about a rear facing camera before and the problem is rendering two viewports. One is intensive enough right now and adding a second would effectively double the draw calls and really kill performance. There was a post by one of the devs about the number of draw calls the game makes not too long ago and it's a lot more than you'd think.

Put them on the legs and not able to be aimed.

Only energy slots.

Disco Legs.

# ? Sep 18, 2014 19:17

Feindfeuer: Jun 20, 2013; shoot men, receive credits

Move them between the legs and below the torso, dick guns :black101:

Edit:
And if we ever get melee slots/options (we'll probably not) those would fit the leg/dick area perfectly, we could go full Robot Jox.

Feindfeuer fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Sep 18, 2014

# ? Sep 18, 2014 19:21

Tank Boy Ken: Aug 24, 2012; J4G for life; Fallen Rib

Number19 posted:

Leg guns are a whole other problem due to how the legs move. You'd have to have a stable spot on the legs so you could aim properly and it's probably not worth it.

Someone has talked about a rear facing camera before and the problem is rendering two viewports. One is intensive enough right now and adding a second would effectively double the draw calls and really kill performance. There was a post by one of the devs about the number of draw calls the game makes not too long ago and it's a lot more than you'd think.

The solution to draw calls is to switch to a rear view (stop rendering the front). Though I do wonder how many draw calls are spend on the HuD.

# ? Sep 18, 2014 19:48

Kazvall: Mar 20, 2009

I would actually pay PGI money if my Atlas could fist dudes while firing his AC20 and SRMs. Even if it's just 1 damage per fist.

# ? Sep 18, 2014 19:50

Gwaihir: Dec 8, 2009; Hair Elf

That reward atlas will be exceedingly mean. Quad SRM6 + artemis / Quad ML / std350 / 20 DHS /max armor aside from 57 on legs.

# ? Sep 18, 2014 19:54

A.o.D.: Jan 15, 2006

Gwaihir posted:

That reward atlas will be exceedingly mean. Quad SRM6 + artemis / Quad ML / std350 / 20 DHS /max armor aside from 57 on legs.

It could also be a quad LRM 15 (lrm 60!). MOAR MISSL SPAM

# ? Sep 18, 2014 20:00

Mindblast: Jun 28, 2006; Moving at the speed of death.

Gwaihir posted:

That reward atlas will be exceedingly mean. Quad SRM6 + artemis / Quad ML / std350 / 20 DHS /max armor aside from 57 on legs.

So basically the Mawesome V2? I can dig it.

# ? Sep 18, 2014 20:02

Orcs and Ostriches: Aug 26, 2010; The Great Twist

Atlas missile boats are scumbags.

# ? Sep 18, 2014 20:03

EoRaptor: Sep 13, 2003; by Fluffdaddy

Gwaihir posted:

That reward atlas will be exceedingly mean. Quad SRM6 + artemis / Quad ML / std350 / 20 DHS /max armor aside from 57 on legs.

Hungry

A little ammo starved. A 335 might work out better, but it's hard to give up the twisting edge the 350 brings.

# ? Sep 18, 2014 20:05

Number19: May 14, 2003; HOCKEY OWNS
FUCK YEAH

Tank Boy Ken posted:

The solution to draw calls is to switch to a rear view (stop rendering the front). Though I do wonder how many draw calls are spend on the HuD.

Here's Matthew Craig's recent post about where a lot of the draw calls go:

http://mwomercs.com/forums/topic/17...ost__p__3712162

(warning: :words:

)

# ? Sep 18, 2014 20:15

Bubbacub: Apr 17, 2001

Oxyclean posted:

Apparently they can't have rear-facing cameras because of engine limitations making it impossible/incredibly hard/resource intensive to render multiple scenes at once. It's the same/similar reason why the zoom module can only blow up the on screen pixels or something.

I oppose any kind of rear view camera because that would reduce the number of dumbass assault mechs I get to park behind in my Jenner.

# ? Sep 18, 2014 20:23

Kavros: May 18, 2011; sleep sleep sleep
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sleep sleep sleep

Rear view mirrors are lostech anyway.

# ? Sep 18, 2014 20:54

Gwaihir: Dec 8, 2009; Hair Elf

Kavros posted:

Rear view mirrors are lostech anyway.

ahem technically a pilot's neurohelmet displays a compressed 360 degree vision strip for him so there is no blind spot :goonsay:

# ? Sep 18, 2014 21:02

veedubfreak: Apr 2, 2005; by Smythe

19, can you find out if they have fixed the issues (rather when they are going to fix the issues) with AMD cards playing like poo poo compared to Nvidia cards. I still can't max out the game even with triple 290x and it bums me out. I know they're working because my room temp goes up steadily as I play more games

# ? Sep 18, 2014 21:07

Gwaihir: Dec 8, 2009; Hair Elf

EoRaptor posted:

Hungry

A little ammo starved. A 335 might work out better, but it's hard to give up the twisting edge the 350 brings.

Lasers are a trap there. The best brawler atlas rolls a 360 /triple SRM6/AC20 straight up. Twist and punch all day.

# ? Sep 18, 2014 21:10

Number19: May 14, 2003; HOCKEY OWNS
FUCK YEAH

veedubfreak posted:

19, can you find out if they have fixed the issues (rather when they are going to fix the issues) with AMD cards playing like poo poo compared to Nvidia cards. I still can't max out the game even with triple 290x and it bums me out. I know they're working because my room temp goes up steadily as I play more games

I don't know unfortunately. I'll see if I can find out anything but you're probably best off filing a support ticket for it if you haven't already.

# ? Sep 18, 2014 21:13

Pattonesque: Jul 15, 2004; johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

are we ever gonna get anything other than AUTO-DETECT: NO SIGNAL options on those monitors, because there is a lot of cool stuff that could be there

# ? Sep 18, 2014 21:18

DandyLion: Jun 24, 2010; disrespectul Deciever

Pattonesque posted:

are we ever gonna get anything other than AUTO-DETECT: NO SIGNAL options on those monitors, because there is a lot of cool stuff that could be there

Is this a serious question?

# ? Sep 18, 2014 21:26

Great Beer: Jul 5, 2004

Gwaihir posted:

Lasers are a trap there. The best brawler atlas rolls a 360 /triple SRM6/AC20 straight up. Twist and punch all day.

http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=16&l=91b81d6c8b0689ee32f6557582e8cc8eb42cfa61

LRMs + Ammo + 4 of the 8 spare slots = 4x SRM6 + ammo. A little light on missile ammo but my experience was that since clanageddon Atlases don't last that long anyway. If you're a braver person than I, you can drop the MLAS for more ammo, same with heat sinks.

# ? Sep 18, 2014 21:27

imperialparadox: Apr 17, 2012; Don't tell me no one has told the girl she isn't exactly human!

Pattonesque posted:

are we ever gonna get anything other than AUTO-DETECT: NO SIGNAL options on those monitors, because there is a lot of cool stuff that could be there

You just got to tune them in until you find a signal. I watch sweet MTV clips from the 90's on mine while I play.

They will never work.

# ? Sep 18, 2014 21:29

EoRaptor: Sep 13, 2003; by Fluffdaddy

Gwaihir posted:

Lasers are a trap there. The best brawler atlas rolls a 360 /triple SRM6/AC20 straight up. Twist and punch all day.

The arm lasers are middling, true, but the CT lasers end up being useful way to often, even if you ignore them during most brawls.

I'd pay two tons to be an armed popsicle.

# ? Sep 18, 2014 21:29

Kazvall: Mar 20, 2009

Pattonesque posted:

are we ever gonna get anything other than AUTO-DETECT: NO SIGNAL options on those monitors, because there is a lot of cool stuff that could be there

PLEASE GIVE THIS TO ME

# ? Sep 18, 2014 21:33

Lemming: Apr 21, 2008

In general I recommend not thinking and blindly doing whatever Gwaihir suggests. I guarantee you he's sperged about it way more than you ever could.

# ? Sep 18, 2014 21:34

Dramicus: Mar 26, 2010; Grimey Drawer

Pattonesque posted:

are we ever gonna get anything other than AUTO-DETECT: NO SIGNAL options on those monitors, because there is a lot of cool stuff that could be there

Trust me, it's better they stay exactly the way they are. You don't want to find out what happens when the Auto-detect system finds a signal. Why do you think they devote so many screens to the signal status?

# ? Sep 18, 2014 21:37

Lights: Dec 9, 2007; Lights, the Peacock King, First of His Name.

Wait, has PGI suddenly started making customer service moves that are merely mediocre instead of outright hostile? Now I'm tempted to bust the ol' Mech Romney account out and taunt the spacepoors again.

# ? Sep 18, 2014 21:38

Dramicus: Mar 26, 2010; Grimey Drawer

They made all chat opt-in. So, almost no one will be getting those taunts.

# ? Sep 18, 2014 21:43

EoRaptor: Sep 13, 2003; by Fluffdaddy

Lemming posted:

In general I recommend not thinking and blindly doing whatever Gwaihir suggests. I guarantee you he's sperged about it way more than you ever could.

Do tell us about your recent experiences with Gwaihir builds...

# ? Sep 18, 2014 21:44

Lemming: Apr 21, 2008

Obviously I have stopped playing but I'm pretty sure Gwaihir's diseased brain had a hand in both the Menturion and the Gaussapult which were my two favorite robots.

# ? Sep 18, 2014 21:51

EoRaptor: Sep 13, 2003; by Fluffdaddy

Lemming posted:

Obviously I have stopped playing but I'm pretty sure Gwaihir's diseased brain had a hand in both the Menturion and the Gaussapult which were my two favorite robots.

I'm not saying he's wrong about the lasers, even a short delay in twisting can be exploited, but giving up the CT lasers is probably not worth the tradeoff of being a useless popsicle. Better to not use them initially, holding them for when ammo runs low.

Unless your roll is explicitly to lead the charge with no expectation of return, which is completely valid, being armed to the end is always good.

# ? Sep 18, 2014 21:56

Galaga Galaxian: Apr 23, 2009; What a childish tactic!
Don't you think you should put more thought into your battleplan?!

To be fair to PGI/MWO no other Mechwarrior game has let you punch Clanners and watch them :qqsay:

either.

# ? Sep 18, 2014 22:00

Gwaihir: Dec 8, 2009; Hair Elf

I don't think real popsicle-ing happens in a brawling atlas often enough to warrant using the -D instead of the -DDC. That's the real thing, since nipple lasers aren't an option on the -DDC at all. If I was using the -D instead, I would use the lasers since you can only have 2 SRM6es.

e: But, that said, my -D was always ever the pubbie reaper comedy build, triple LL, gauss, twin LRM15, and XL300 YEAAAAAA.
(Incidentally also the only mech I have a perfect KDR in since I have zero deaths with it since they started detailed stat tracking)

# ? Sep 18, 2014 22:02

Captain Gordon: Jul 22, 2004

gently caress the dickguns or kneeguns, I want rear-firing butt mounted SRMs

# ? Sep 18, 2014 22:09

Gwaihir: Dec 8, 2009; Hair Elf

Captain Gordon posted:

gently caress the dickguns or kneeguns, I want rear-firing butt mounted SRMs

*Flamers

# ? Sep 18, 2014 22:11

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# ? Jun 4, 2024 19:46

veedubfreak: Apr 2, 2005; by Smythe

Great Beer posted:

http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=16&l=91b81d6c8b0689ee32f6557582e8cc8eb42cfa61

LRMs + Ammo + 4 of the 8 spare slots = 4x SRM6 + ammo. A little light on missile ammo but my experience was that since clanageddon Atlases don't last that long anyway. If you're a braver person than I, you can drop the MLAS for more ammo, same with heat sinks.

Any time I get in my DDC I just end up being the first idiot to push and dying after making GBS threads out 3-400 damage. Usually works unless I'm pubbing and no one backs me up.

When do we get the new mechs?

# ? Sep 18, 2014 22:15

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