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The Berzerker
Feb 24, 2006

treat me like a dog


My office got a grant last year, to buy some equipment. We make a list by asking other departments what they need - one woman gives me a great, detailed list. We submit it, get the money. We confirm prices with the vendors, submit updated prices to the grant provider. At that stage, we're concrete - we officially are buying that exact list, and they're going to give us that exact amount of money to buy it.

Flash forward to purchasing time - she wants a bunch of different equipment and it's more expensive. My staff member who is working with her on this explains that we can't change anything. She escalates to me, because he's being "unhelpful" (he isn't). I explain the same rules, now I'm being unhelpful. She escalates to our freakin' Director... you'll never guess how unhelpful she was by explaining the same rules! So today she asked my VP about it and he said "Uh, ask The Berzerker, I don't know all the rules of the funding."

:allears:

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Clockroach
Dec 12, 2010
We've reached a point where the team submitting cases to my team sent in a ton late, like, way past the deadline. Then they bug and pester and follow up enough that those cases are actually getting finished before the stuff that was in on time. They keep copying in the sales team, who join in on the update requests and "offer assistance" despite not even knowing what software I'm using.

Also, I found out I'm the only one on the team of temps that doesn't have my Mom working somewhere in the building, and is actually old enough to be out of school. They're all down to part time now and I get sent all the update requests on their stuff as well.

re: Chair Talk, for some reason my chair has several deep scratches in the plastic of the arm rest and it's kind of freaky.

Snatch Duster
Feb 20, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

ladyweapon posted:

Friday
2:00 PM I email one of our vendors for a quote
2:30 PM our vendor rep, Sally, calls to confirm some information for the quote. I talk to her and all is well.
4:10 PM Sally e-mails for the same information she got over the phone. Ive told Sally I don't work after 4PM ever. *I may be here, but I only deal with emergency e-mails/phone calls before 8AM/after 4PM. I'm not required to come in early, I do so because its the only quiet time I'm going to get to fix up my paperwork and get the miscellaneous things done that need doing & it means I can (usually) leave at my normally scheduled clockout of 4PM. Coming in early > staying late.

Monday
9:00 AM I respond to her e-mail and confirm the information.
7:45 PM Sally e-mails for the information I sent to her again.

Tuesday
7:35 AM Sally calls. It is before 8AM, I don't answer.
7:40 AM Sally e-mails since I have not responded to her e-mail from 12 hours ago. I was at home appreciating my work-life balance and drinking off the day with a pretty great quadrupel ale.
8:05 AM I respond to Sally's email with the same information I told her Friday and Monday.
8:10 AM Sally calls to tell me what I already know, nothing has happened and she doesn't have a quote for me.

Is "bother the poo poo out of people until they curse every time they hear from you" an effective sales tactic?

Yes. You could take the 5 minute call when you arent busy, it isnt like she is dicking around going off her call schedule.

E: however she is probably terrible at her job.

Snatch Duster fucked around with this message at 06:07 on Sep 17, 2014

Beach Bum
Jan 13, 2010

Snatch Duster posted:

Yes. You could take the 5 minute call when you arent busy, it isnt like she is dicking around going off her call schedule.

Some of us have worked very hard to establish work/life boundaries. Allowing exceptions leads to madness, wailing, and the gnashing of teeth.

ladyweapon
Nov 6, 2010

It reads all over his face,
like he's an Italian.

Snatch Duster posted:

Yes. You could take the 5 minute call when you arent busy, it isnt like she is dicking around going off her call schedule.
I did take the 5 minute call, it was on Friday at 2:30PM. I am constantly busy which is why I'm in the office at 7:30AM so I can play paperwork catch up. It's not to listen to her drawl on making small talk while getting around to asking the question she called about and then try to make more small talk. That time is any time after 8AM and before 4PM. She knows this and I stick to it because I don't want work bleeding into my personal life. Anytime we interact with her it ends up taking 2-3 times longer than it really needs to. If its any actual time-sensitive issue, they'll call my boss directly on his cell phone. Work-life balance is important to my boss and I think he'd actually be legitimately bothered that I answered a completely unimportant e-mail at 8PM when it could have waited until actual business hours.

Annakie
Apr 20, 2005

"It's pretty bad, isn't it? I know it's pretty bad. Ever since I can remember..."

Poop Cupcake posted:

Everyone in the office hates using my desk, actually. My keyboard is missing about half the letters (worn off the keys), and I have a trackball instead of a mouse. There's nothing stopping anyone from sitting here or messing with anything, but it's awkward enough that they don't want to. It's a lot less hostile than a sign and more effective.

I have an ergonomic keyboard and until a few months ago had a trackball, too.

It became a real issue sometimes because people come to my desk to do password resets straight from the domain controller or to set up their door PIN to get into the office on their first day. They'd just stare at my mouse and go "uhhh" and then usually try to push it around. It amused me and my co-workers but I felt bad about it. The trackball was about 10 years old so the scroll wheel stopped working and the left click was starting to wear out so I gave up and got a regular mouse.

They still look at my keyboard in horror so I tell them just to use the laptop keyboard instead. It boggles my mind that people prefer a regular keyboard over a nice microsoft ergonomic with padding where your palms rest.

Snatch Duster
Feb 20, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Beach Bum posted:

Some of us have worked very hard to establish work/life boundaries. Allowing exceptions leads to madness, wailing, and the gnashing of teeth.

Yea cool, but if you are at work during work hours, why not take the call?

ladyweapon posted:

I did take the 5 minute call, it was on Friday at 2:30PM. I am constantly busy which is why I'm in the office at 7:30AM so I can play paperwork catch up. It's not to listen to her drawl on making small talk while getting around to asking the question she called about and then try to make more small talk. That time is any time after 8AM and before 4PM. She knows this and I stick to it because I don't want work bleeding into my personal life. Anytime we interact with her it ends up taking 2-3 times longer than it really needs to. If its any actual time-sensitive issue, they'll call my boss directly on his cell phone. Work-life balance is important to my boss and I think he'd actually be legitimately bothered that I answered a completely unimportant e-mail at 8PM when it could have waited until actual business hours.

Yea it just sounds like she is bad at her job, but is making calls and sending email at those times is in line what a Good Salesman is suppose to do. I doubt she was expecting an email from you at 8pm. Her thinking, probably, was that you would respond the next day.

Snatch Duster fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Sep 17, 2014

Lowly
Aug 13, 2009

Snatch Duster posted:

Yea cool, but if you are at work during work hours, why not take the call?

Because those aren't their work hours. That's extra time they're staying in the office to deal with an emergency or get work done that can't get done during their normal work hours. If they've clearly communicated their work hours to someone, I don't see why they should take calls outside of it.

Also, if there's that much communication going on, and 90% of it is repeated information, at some point it's costing the company money to take time to repeatedly communicate the same information to someone.

ladyweapon
Nov 6, 2010

It reads all over his face,
like he's an Italian.
^lowly summed it up before I did :v:

Snatch Duster posted:

Yea cool, but if you are at work during work hours, why not take the call?
Before 8AM and after 4PM, I am not at work during work hours. Any time after the 8-4 window are special overtime hours so I can do half of my coworkers job in addition to my job while shes out on maternity leave. Once my coworker is back from maternity leave, I get my normal hours back which means I don't step foot into the office until 7:55AM every day. :)

quote:

Yea it just sounds like she is bad at her job, but is making calls and sending email at those times is in line what a Good Salesman is suppose to do. I doubt she was expecting an email from you at 8pm. Her thinking, probably, was that you would respond the next day.
If she wasn't expecting me to respond until the next day, she didn't need to call and email again 12 hours later. Which is the entire basis of my original post. :buddy:

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005
Almost every single day, I deal with someone angry at me for not answering their e-mails yesterday.

Almost every single day, they are one of the following people (extracted from yesterday's outlook folder, subjects blatantly scrubbed). This is what's left after deleting all the corporate spam the next morning.




Our corporate culture is that you are 100% always responsible for answering e-mails, regardless of time or day. I am a bit of a problem child because my view is gently caress that.

Can't wait for my year-end review.

19 o'clock
Sep 9, 2004

Excelsior!!!
Why the hell did I agree to three weeks left of work instead of two. Today could have been my last day, but I still have another week. Going to try and make it just 6 or 7 hours a day instead of 8.

Spent all day in meetings explaining to people how they haven't saved enough money. They look back at me as if I'm an rear end in a top hat. I mess with things some more to end up right back where we were: you haven't saved enough money. I could have been at my desk kicking rear end closing books for the last time but instead I have to just spin my wheels for hours on end.

Health is failing. I'm dreading going into work. It's interfering with my life in every single way. Get me out of here!

Christe Eleison
Feb 1, 2010

19 o'clock posted:

Why the hell did I agree to three weeks left of work instead of two. Today could have been my last day, but I still have another week. Going to try and make it just 6 or 7 hours a day instead of 8.

Spent all day in meetings explaining to people how they haven't saved enough money. They look back at me as if I'm an rear end in a top hat. I mess with things some more to end up right back where we were: you haven't saved enough money. I could have been at my desk kicking rear end closing books for the last time but instead I have to just spin my wheels for hours on end.

Health is failing. I'm dreading going into work. It's interfering with my life in every single way. Get me out of here!

You can do it! Take special care of yourself this week and remember the whole office will be in your rear-view mirror by the end of next week.

19 o'clock
Sep 9, 2004

Excelsior!!!

Cup of Hemlock posted:

You can do it! Take special care of yourself this week and remember the whole office will be in your rear-view mirror by the end of next week.

I will, thanks. Today was a tough one and a fine example of why I'm leaving. I'm reminded of the goon in this thread who was vomiting every morning before work and things got much better after leaving.

At least :420: is legal in Colorado.

F1DriverQuidenBerg
Jan 19, 2014

May as well join in this thread. Hate my work.

I underwrite group health insurance policies for small groups for a big canadian life insurance company. It's a living hell.

We use a program to price policies that the company developed in the early 90s. It's made for a 640x480 screen so you can't display all the info you need at once and am constantly flipping back and forth between tabs on windows. The system is incapable of spitting out any pricing unless a ton of information is entered, even if it doesn't use it. Often times if we have an empty class (say retired owners) it won't run anything unless you put an employee in this class, so we have to put in somebody born in 1900 so they aren't eligible for any benefits and doesn't affect the price. Nope still won't run unless you put in the amount of life insurance and disability they should receive which the system will then reduce to zero because of their age. After that we have to edit that person out of the proposal document so advisors aren't asking who the employee "Dummy Data" is. Just one of many annoying little things I've got to do :allears:

On top of that almost anything we do requires (a) a price override/manually re-entering info (b) manually editting the 20 page proposal the system spits out. Not a huge deal, but it is just tedious work that would be unnecessary if they updated their system.

Finally I have a process and procedures team that is out of control with OCD. each quote we get requires about a half dozen excel sheets to be filled out and saved to either work around our program or document useless crap to satisfy the process and procedures team. We get auditted on our work by the team with absurd metrics such as saving the "quote checklist" excel sheet and a PDF copy of the email containing the final proposal on the network drive. Most of this stuff is useless but requires a meeting with the manager to discuss why you didn't save a copy of the email showing that you sent the proposal or fill out "x" field of an excel sheet that wasn't applicable.

F1DriverQuidenBerg fucked around with this message at 01:55 on Sep 18, 2014

Tide
Mar 27, 2010

by FactsAreUseless
A couple weeks ago, I got a talking to about sending a link to our company intranet/Google searching our address. Today, I sent a lmgtfy link to a dude in IT that was asking if a certain city had an airport they could fly in to. This was after he'd sent (and I responded to) three emails asking about international airports nearby. Note we have an internal travel agency that takes care of everything.

I expect a nastygram tomorrow but good God....

Snatch Duster
Feb 20, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Tide posted:

A couple weeks ago, I got a talking to about sending a link to our company intranet/Google searching our address. Today, I sent a lmgtfy link to a dude in IT that was asking if a certain city had an airport they could fly in to. This was after he'd sent (and I responded to) three emails asking about international airports nearby. Note we have an internal travel agency that takes care of everything.

I expect a nastygram tomorrow but good God....

I treat work favors the same way I play board games; never help anyone.

So far it has worked out just fine.

Stolennosferatu
Jun 22, 2012

Snatch Duster posted:

I treat work favors the same way I play board games; never help anyone.

So far it has worked out just fine.

drat man, I try to be helpful to everyone. Then again, no one I help is a moron, so that has worked out okay...

Snatch Duster
Feb 20, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Stolennosferatu posted:

drat man, I try to be helpful to everyone. Then again, no one I help is a moron, so that has worked out okay...

Just a matter of time before all tha good karma comes around to bite ya.

If you never put anything out there to go around, nothing ever comes around to ruin your day.

dividertabs
Oct 1, 2004

I had some mandatory emergency preparedness training: how to react to fires, earthquakes, and armed intruders. I learned from the powerpoint slides that if you can't flee or hide from a shooter, you might have to fight back! Look for nearby objects that can be used as weapons: staplers, phones, and scissors can be thrown at your attacker.

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

dividertabs posted:

I had some mandatory emergency preparedness training: how to react to fires, earthquakes, and armed intruders. I learned from the powerpoint slides that if you can't flee or hide from a shooter, you might have to fight back! Look for nearby objects that can be used as weapons: staplers, phones, and scissors can be thrown at your attacker.

Snap a CD in half and use it as a tiny one-handed makeshift bat'leth.

Play your call holding music over the loudspeakers as he goes about his murderous rampage, eventually crushing his spirit and making he question whether it's even worth his time. Pepper it with "Your shooting spree is very important to us, and we will receive your bullets in the order in which they have been fired" every 30 seconds.

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

dividertabs posted:

I had some mandatory emergency preparedness training: how to react to fires, earthquakes, and armed intruders. I learned from the powerpoint slides that if you can't flee or hide from a shooter, you might have to fight back! Look for nearby objects that can be used as weapons: staplers, phones, and scissors can be thrown at your attacker.

How do people stand there and say stuff like that with a straight face?

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

spog posted:

How do people stand there and say stuff like that with a straight face?


dividertabs posted:

I had some mandatory emergency preparedness training: how to react to fires, earthquakes, and armed intruders. I learned from the powerpoint slides that if you can't flee or hide from a shooter, you might have to fight back! Look for nearby objects that can be used as weapons: staplers, phones, and scissors can be thrown at your attacker.

I mean, it seems pretty straightforward. There's not a lot in my office that could be used as an improvised weapon either, unless my attacker has a deadly nerf allergy, and an improvised weapon is probably better than none if you can get the drop on the person (doorway, etc)

sbaldrick
Jul 19, 2006
Driven by Hate

19 o'clock posted:

Why the hell did I agree to three weeks left of work instead of two. Today could have been my last day, but I still have another week. Going to try and make it just 6 or 7 hours a day instead of 8.

Spent all day in meetings explaining to people how they haven't saved enough money. They look back at me as if I'm an rear end in a top hat. I mess with things some more to end up right back where we were: you haven't saved enough money. I could have been at my desk kicking rear end closing books for the last time but instead I have to just spin my wheels for hours on end.

Health is failing. I'm dreading going into work. It's interfering with my life in every single way. Get me out of here!

The clear answer is day-drinking, long lunches and some porn.

19 o'clock
Sep 9, 2004

Excelsior!!!

sbaldrick posted:

The clear answer is day-drinking, long lunches and some porn.

Not gonna day drink...trying to cut back what this job is doing to me. I will not embrace the darkness! I will not become the beast!

I think yesterday may have been my worst day remaining. My calendar shows lots of empty space until the day of my departure. I'm all about just "doing work" instead of "talking about doing work."

Last night I went to bed at 8pm and woke up at 1am to practice music and read a bit. It was absolutely wonderful. I'm going to chase that feeling of "wonderful".

Slow News Day
Jul 4, 2007

Planning to quit my job in a month.

I know the conventional wisdom is to not burn bridges, but it's so loving tempting...

ex post facho
Oct 25, 2007

19 o'clock posted:

I will, thanks. Today was a tough one and a fine example of why I'm leaving. I'm reminded of the goon in this thread who was vomiting every morning before work and things got much better after leaving.

At least :420: is legal in Colorado.

What's up, corporate-disaffected Coloragoon! :hfive:

Where are you heading after this?

19 o'clock
Sep 9, 2004

Excelsior!!!

a shameful boehner posted:

What's up, corporate-disaffected Coloragoon! :hfive:

Where are you heading after this?

I'm headed to my bedroom to practice music and write DJ software. I've been gigging hard all summer with weddings and pubs, so I'm in a position to live off of savings and play music professionally for a bit. Gonna give it a go!

Additionally, two friends have given me job offers in the past week in accounting and finance fields so that's also reassuring. Basically just gonna decide what's next and take a few months off from corporate world.

Are you in the same boat?

ladyweapon
Nov 6, 2010

It reads all over his face,
like he's an Italian.
My coworker wasn't feeling well yesterday. Today she says she has bronchitis that she got from her husband and asks if bronchitis is contagious (yes, it is). I have been getting bronchitis since I was an infant, nearly every year of my life. Last year I was sick for three months including a visit to the ER once because I couldn't breathe. She knows I'm highly susceptible to catching bronchitis, yet here she is, four feet from me at work. We have plenty of sick time and can do a fair bit of working from home, but nope, she's in the office coughing up a storm (without so much as covering her mouth).

I am looking forward to 9-10 hour days while suffering from bronchitis. :)


e: This sales rep needs to stop calling me immediately after she sends an email. I haven't even had a chance to open it!

ladyweapon fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Sep 18, 2014

ex post facho
Oct 25, 2007

19 o'clock posted:

I'm headed to my bedroom to practice music and write DJ software. I've been gigging hard all summer with weddings and pubs, so I'm in a position to live off of savings and play music professionally for a bit. Gonna give it a go!

Additionally, two friends have given me job offers in the past week in accounting and finance fields so that's also reassuring. Basically just gonna decide what's next and take a few months off from corporate world.

Are you in the same boat?

I used to love doing bedroom DJing, I had my own pair of Technic 1200s and a Pioneer DJM500. I had to sell them a while back, sadly.

I would love to be in the same boat, but I don't have the offers to fall back on. I have a decent savings cushion but without something else lined up I'm not really ready to bail. I have a background in IT, technical writing and training, so if your friends have an opening anywhere there...I'm open to it!

Xandu
Feb 19, 2006


It's hard to be humble when you're as great as I am.
In the same call we discuss my vacation next week, my boss assigns me more work due next week.

Xibanya
Sep 17, 2012




Clever Betty
When I was an intern at the dept. of commercial service (as opposed to consular, those losers :v:) at the US embassy in Madrid, we had a safety presentation that involved being shown how to use emergency breathing/oxygen devices and sick needles that self inject into your heart with loaded springs a la The Rock in the event of certain toxins. Probably the most hardcore safety presentation for what was a mostly boring office job.

Edit: to be clear, I understand why the embassy was kitted out such that we could survive a riot but it was amusing nonetheless.

I once got in even after I handed in my security badge because the Spanish national guard dudes recognized me and didn't bother to check at the gate and then a Spanish dude who worked there and also recognized me was entering ahead of me and held the door open behind him. (The Americans were greater sticklers for the rules.) Hells yeah I breached US embassy security. I should cash in on this Benghazi business.

I did it because the espresso in the cafeteria is excellent and inexpensive.

Xibanya fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Sep 18, 2014

LGD
Sep 25, 2004

Xibanya posted:

When I was an intern at the dept. of commercial service (as opposed to consular, those losers :v:) at the US embassy in Madrid, we had a safety presentation that involved being shown how to use emergency breathing/oxygen devices and sick needles that self inject into your heart with loaded springs a la The Rock in the event of certain toxins. Probably the most hardcore safety presentation for what was a mostly boring office job.

I don't think it's really hardcore unless you received the training on how to operate both U.S. and Russian small arms because there is a non-trivial chance that is knowledge that you, an office worker, might someday need. I believe that is only mandated for Afghanistan and Mexico (drug war lol).

LGD fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Sep 18, 2014

dennyk
Jan 2, 2005

Cheese-Buyer's Remorse

ladyweapon posted:

My coworker wasn't feeling well yesterday. Today she says she has bronchitis that she got from her husband and asks if bronchitis is contagious (yes, it is).

Basic deductive reasoning really does just escape some people, doesn't it? :cripes:

It ought to be legal to use heat sterilization to prevent the spread of infectious diseases when the infection vector is some rear end in a top hat who won't stay home when they're horribly sick. :flame: Already caught one cold from a sick co-worker this month, and another co-worker who was sneezing all over my cube yesterday (while insisting she wasn't sick) was coughing uncontrollably all day today, so I look forward to yet another round of whatever horrible plague is constantly going around our office. And I won't even have any days off work for the next few weeks to try to recover... :(

Bisty Q.
Jul 22, 2008

dividertabs posted:

staplers, phones, and scissors can be thrown at your attacker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy1VQp9QAWE

Problem!
Jan 1, 2007

I am the queen of France.
We also had to watch the armed intruder video, except ours ended with a cliffhanger of some office guy about to whack the intruder on the head with a fire extinguisher. We then decided to nominate the guy with the cube closest to the door as our designated fire extinguisher thrower. We all feel safer now.

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.
I had to take a three day course in security, smuggling and terrorism prevention at some point. My favourite highlight was the slide about improvised explosive device, and I quote from memory:

Bombs
A bomb can:
  • Have any shape
  • Be any colour
  • may or may not make a ticking noise
  • Be set off by anything

It as three days of stuff of this level of usefulness :suicide:

Nocheez
Sep 5, 2000

Can you spare a little cheddar?
Nap Ghost

Aquatic Giraffe posted:

We also had to watch the armed intruder video, except ours ended with a cliffhanger of some office guy about to whack the intruder on the head with a fire extinguisher. We then decided to nominate the guy with the cube closest to the door as our designated fire extinguisher thrower. We all feel safer now.

What if that guy *is* the armed intruder?!?!

19 o'clock
Sep 9, 2004

Excelsior!!!

a shameful boehner posted:

I used to love doing bedroom DJing, I had my own pair of Technic 1200s and a Pioneer DJM500. I had to sell them a while back, sadly.

I would love to be in the same boat, but I don't have the offers to fall back on. I have a decent savings cushion but without something else lined up I'm not really ready to bail. I have a background in IT, technical writing and training, so if your friends have an opening anywhere there...I'm open to it!

Yeah, I have to pull the trigger on one around December. Another may leave in the coming weeks. It's truly scary as hell but very exciting. I know that if I don't take my chances now to work on musical projects that I stand to never get them done. Alternatively, performing music puts me in well with every restaurant in a 100 mile radius so I can always tend bar.

Still scary.

If I hear of any IT jobs opening up I will get in contact. Not much in ski towns, I'm afraid...

ufsteph
Jul 3, 2007

dennyk posted:

Basic deductive reasoning really does just escape some people, doesn't it? :cripes:

It ought to be legal to use heat sterilization to prevent the spread of infectious diseases when the infection vector is some rear end in a top hat who won't stay home when they're horribly sick.

Basic deductive reasoning escapes some companies. I was sick last week and was told that my (salaried) pay would be docked if I did not come in.

:saddowns:

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FebrezeNinja
Nov 22, 2007

dividertabs posted:

I had some mandatory emergency preparedness training: how to react to fires, earthquakes, and armed intruders. I learned from the powerpoint slides that if you can't flee or hide from a shooter, you might have to fight back! Look for nearby objects that can be used as weapons: staplers, phones, and scissors can be thrown at your attacker.

I did some contract work on a government project a few years ago which included some hours of mandatory training. About a third of it was how to deal with the many ways people may threaten or attempt to kill you. It read as amazingly blasé. "If a caller issues a bomb threat, pull a Form 800-M from the stack next to your phone and get a neighbor to contact your manager."

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